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All Trump supporters are not racist, and I never said they were. Stop lying. Some are. Most are not. But they are willing to overlook it or live in denial of it, yes.

What does Trump bring to the table that a non-ignorant, non-racist Republican does not? What has Trump done that President Kasich or President Rubio would not have done that makes it necessary to put up with his ignorance and racism as a minor side effect of his otherwise brilliant leadership?
How about President Romney. The mild mannered, always classy and respectful, super moderate governor of Massachusetts, was terrible bad no good according to Howie. You had your chance to reward Republicans for nominating you claim to want. But at the time, CNN convinced you he was extreme, bad, why, one time he had cut a classmates hair in high school. You turned up your nose.


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Well, you can tell he assumes they're not from this country because he said so. What other explanation is there? He has criticized Pelosi, Schumer, and lots of other Congressmen without saying they should go back to their countries. Honestly, the only alternative explanation is the he is so senile and befuddled that he has can't be held accountable for tweeting nonsense.
Who did he name specifically? I just caught the sound byte. Certainly he said specific names that weren’t born here and they clearly are.


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How about President Romney. The mild mannered, always classy and respectful, super moderate governor of Massachusetts, was terrible bad no good according to Howie. You had your chance to reward Republicans for nominating you claim to want. But at the time, CNN convinced you he was extreme, bad, why, one time he had cut a classmates hair in high school. You turned up your nose.
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Don’t forget “binders of women”. Just outrageous.
 

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Who did he name specifically? I just caught the sound byte. Certainly he said specific names that weren’t born here and they clearly are.


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Ah, we're back to pretending we don't know which Congresswomen he was talking about. In that case, how can you claim that he was just calling them out for being 4 of the most radical in Congress? Why did you feel comfortable attacking Ilhan Omar for wanting to have policies that mirrored those of Somalia?

Welcome to the Cult of Trump! I hope your initiation wasn't too harsh having been a recent convert. It must be nice, though, to have such clarity of purpose now. Finally you can defend someone with arguments that contradict each other without having to worry about your reasons.
 

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Well, you can tell he assumes they're not from this country because he said so. What other explanation is there?
That’s true.

He has criticized Pelosi, Schumer, and lots of other Congressmen without saying they should go back to their countries. Honestly, the only alternative explanation is the he is so senile and befuddled that he has can't be held accountable for tweeting nonsense.
Yes, I believe his tweet was complete nonsense. Just not racist.
 

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“Go back to your country” is objectively racist. Not really difficult.

You’re a troll.

jtf, would encourage you not to indulge him further. He’s just stringing you along with this fake “what’s the definition of racist” schtick , for his own entertainment.
 

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“Go back to your country” is objectively racist. Not really difficult.

You’re a troll.

jtf, would encourage you not to indulge him further. He’s just stringing you along with this fake “what’s the definition of racist” schtick , for his own entertainment.
Dude, you don't know what racism is. Just stop.
 

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Lord knows that I'm not a Chip Roy fan, but see how easy this is guys:

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Lefties might find this interesting. The Squad is hurting your party’s chances. Trump would be wiser to beg them to stay.

https://www.axios.com/alexandria-oc...020-aeaa3771-f142-4059-b79e-1fed569dfdf9.html

Top Democrats are circulating a poll showing that one of the House's most progressive members — Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — has become a definitional face for the party with a crucial group of swing voters.

Why it matters: These Democrats are sounding the alarm that swing voters know and dislike socialism, warning it could cost them the House and the presidency. The poll is making the rounds of some of the most influential Democrats in America.

"If all voters hear about is AOC, it could put the [House] majority at risk," said a top Democrat who is involved in 2020 congressional races. "he's getting all the news and defining everyone else’s races."
The poll — taken in May, before Speaker Pelosi's latest run-in with AOC and the three other liberal House freshmen known as "The Squad" — included 1,003 likely general-election voters who are white and have two years or less of college education.

These are the "white, non-college voters" who embraced Donald Trump in 2016 but are needed by Democrats in swing House districts.
The group that took the poll shared the results with Axios on the condition that it not be named, because the group has to work with all parts of the party.
The findings:

Ocasio-Cortez was recognized by 74% of voters in the poll; 22% had a favorable view.
Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota — another member of The Squad — was recognized by 53% of the voters; 9% (not a typo) had a favorable view.
Socialism was viewed favorably by 18% of the voters and unfavorably by 69%.

Capitalism was 56% favorable; 32% unfavorable.
"Socialism is toxic to these voters," said the top Democrat.
Between the lines: Dems are performing better with these voters than in 2016 (although still not as well as in 2018). So party leaders will continue to try to define themselves around more mainstream members.

The other side: Three members of The Squad — Omar, Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan and Rep. Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts — defended their approach while appearing in Philadelphia yesterday on a panel at the annual Netroots Nation conference, AP's Juana Summers reports:

"We never need to ask for permission or wait for an invitation to lead," Omar said, adding later that there's a "constant struggle oftentimes with people who have power about sharing that power."
 

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Dude, you don't know what racism is. Just stop.
The last person anyone should ask to define racism is a racist. The Trumpster and anyone who supports him don't have the understanding and credibility to tell anyone what racism is. End of f*cking story.
 
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The last person anyone should ask to define racism is a racist. The Trumpster and anyone who supports him don't have the understanding and credibility to define racism. End of f*cking story.
What is saying “impeach the mothers,f*cker” called? A-okay with you.
 

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Ah, we're back to pretending we don't know which Congresswomen he was talking about. In that case, how can you claim that he was just calling them out for being 4 of the most radical in Congress? Why did you feel comfortable attacking Ilhan Omar for wanting to have policies that mirrored those of Somalia?

Welcome to the Cult of Trump! I hope your initiation wasn't too harsh having been a recent convert. It must be nice, though, to have such clarity of purpose now. Finally you can defend someone with arguments that contradict each other without having to worry about your reasons.
I'm not claiming anything. As I already said, I know exactly who YOU think he was referring to.

I feel very comfortable attacking Omar for that because Somalia is a disaster. It's so bad, that people think it's a gotcha to tell me to move there, because they don't realize it's yet another failed communist state.

Ah yes, I'm a cultist. Go with that. as I said clearly, I can't defend the statement, but I can defend part of it, with respect to Omar. Do you really want to have that discussion? I don't think so. You want to shout racist, think you've won, and move on.
 

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“Go back to your country” is objectively racist. Not really difficult.

You’re a troll.

jtf, would encourage you not to indulge him further. He’s just stringing you along with this fake “what’s the definition of racist” schtick , for his own entertainment.
Hahaha, G4L calling someone else a “troll”? Hahaha

You do know that Trump also said “then come back...”.

Is that what racists say?
 

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Diversity is to be celebrated, not discriminated against
In other words you want to elevate identity politics.

How about just treating people as people regardless of skin color and do so under the most successful system in history? The American system which combines freedom, capitalism and personal responsibility works just fine for every ethnicity. We don't want to import unsuccessful cultural values (socialism), but we do want to welcome all people who want to become part of our nation and enjoy the successes of it while accepting the associated responsibilities of it. If you want to bring a different political system with you- stay where you are. I'd rather help people right where they are than import a lousy ideology and then have to subsidize in a much more costly setting here in America.

A good business employs and accommodates all races, colors and creeds and does so to its benefit as long as all of the employed are productive and run towards the same goals utilizing the same system. The same goes with a nation, united we stand, divided we fall.
 

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I won’t pick a fight with you on that, because I simply don’t know what he assumes.

You do realize how much your views are based on what you think you know about what he thinks and what motivates him, as opposed to empirical evidence, don’t you?
There's plenty of empirical evidence to see what motivates him. Here's an AP headline from this morning:

Trump digs in amid censure of racist tweets about lawmakers

http://www.startribune.com/trump-s-tweets-against-liberal-congresswomen-called-racist/512717912/

Cue the "the AP is biased. Townhall.com and infowars say he's not racist!"
 

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You don’t want to hear it, but Trump has taken on the news media in a way that no other Republican President has, as ugly as it gets. The MS news media has been an advocacy group for the Democrat Party. They needed to be shown for what they are.

Example, did you see the doofus, Brian Karem, CNN contributor, publicly yell “this is a group of people who are eager for demonic possession” to the gathered audience after Trump’s WH garden announcement about how he was going to collect citizenship data? Sebastian Gorka then confronted him, unwisely in my view, publicly after Karem threatened him from a distance by saying “come over here and say that”.

Now, if any member of the conservative media, especially a Fox News reporter, acted that way, it would’ve been headlines in multiple outlets for days and there would be calls for the reporter’s job. Karem just walks and it’s written off as two guys arguing publicly, even though the entire episode was instigated by loud, incredibly stupid comments by Karem.

Trump has exposed them.

Trump’s ability to do that one thing has lead to the second thing, unify the Republican Party in a functional, not necessarily aesthetically pleasing, way; which has lead to significant legislative accomplishment in the tax cut, two conservative SC Justices, and so on.
Trump has excited his 33% base (you) by "fighting" the media. He hasn't accomplished anything other than screaming "enemy of the people" at them and helping a few loons justify violent acts against them. The only long-term thing he's done is threaten the 1st amendment and free press.
 

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Don’t forget “binders of women”. Just outrageous.
He was a terrible candidate, as evidenced by statements like that. And I think he would have folded like a cheap tent the the "Tea Party/Freedom Caucus" wing of the party. But he wasn't a RWNJ.
 

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Ah, we're back to pretending we don't know which Congresswomen he was talking about. In that case, how can you claim that he was just calling them out for being 4 of the most radical in Congress? Why did you feel comfortable attacking Ilhan Omar for wanting to have policies that mirrored those of Somalia?

Welcome to the Cult of Trump! I hope your initiation wasn't too harsh having been a recent convert. It must be nice, though, to have such clarity of purpose now. Finally you can defend someone with arguments that contradict each other without having to worry about your reasons.
The "we don't know who he was referencing" and "we don't know what he meant, maybe he meant they should go back to their districts" excuses are beyond pathetic.
 

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Trump has excited his 33% base (you) by "fighting" the media. He hasn't accomplished anything other than screaming "enemy of the people" at them and helping a few loons justify violent acts against them. The only long-term thing he's done is threaten the 1st amendment and free press.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Trump has exposed the media for the frauds that they are. A small percentage of the people had a clue what much of the media was about prior to Trump but the veil is off, they are fully exposed now.

You say a threat to the 1st amendment and you couldn't be more wrong. We should ALL try to hold the media more accountable. They have a duty and they are failing across the board. It's a sad state of affairs.
 

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Trump has excited his 33% base (you) by "fighting" the media. He hasn't accomplished anything other than screaming "enemy of the people" at them and helping a few loons justify violent acts against them. The only long-term thing he's done is threaten the 1st amendment and free press.
“Threaten the 1st Amendment”?

Pretty sure that was Obama that did that.

Trump just calls their bias out publicly. Obama uses law enforcement and secret monitoring to keep control the media.
 

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Wrong, wrong, wrong. Trump has exposed the media for the frauds that they are. A small percentage of the people had a clue what much of the media was about prior to Trump but the veil is off, they are fully exposed now.

You say a threat to the 1st amendment and you couldn't be more wrong. We should ALL try to hold the media more accountable. They have a duty and they are failing across the board. It's a sad state of affairs.
The people who think "the veil is off" are the same ones who have been whining about the "lame stream media" (Sarah Palin) and The "Washington Compost" (Mark Levine) etc. for 20 years. The only thing that's changed is that the 33% will lap up dozens of lies from the President daily and blame the media for pointing them out.

Who's saying the media shouldn't be held accountable? Yes they should. And certainly there are some inaccurate reporting on Trump and that is usually called out and corrected. But a vast majority of it is accurate. And they can be blamed just as much for giving "both sides" treatment to things that don't warrant it as anything.
 

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“Threaten the 1st Amendment”?

Pretty sure that was Obama that did that.

Trump just calls their bias out publicly. Obama uses law enforcement and secret monitoring to keep control the media.
Trump has repeatedly said he wants to "Look at" the 1st amendment, threatened to block certain mergers to punish CNN, threatened to tax Amazon to punish Bezos/The Washington Post and threatened to pull broadcast licenses. Obama did none of that.
 
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