MLB pulling All-Star Game from Georgia is league's most important move since Jackie Robinson

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Both parties have extremists. But the extremists already won a complete and total victory over the Republican party. It is now the party of Trumpism, Qanon and white grevience.

The moderate wing of the Democrate party crushed the liberal wing in the primary which is why Biden is President. They also control everything happening in the Senate right now.

"Both sides are the same" has never been less true.
Yup. People here bitched and moaned about Biden bringing socialism. Meanwhile, actual socialists hate Biden lol. He is very moderate.
 

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Agree. This is the only part where i can see the left has some justification being miffed. But i believe there has to be irregularities in 2 consecutive elections for the state board to take action? I could be wrong about that.

I am not an expert by any means on this, but seems the reaction far exceeds the impact.
If you were an urban (and to a large extent, suburban) voter and the state you lived in took extensive measures to maximize the difficulty you had to vote and to minimize the power of your vote, would you consider that fair? Yes or no?
 

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Back to the Georgia law - which is the reason why MLB is talking about moving the All-Star Game.

There is one aspect of the law that I find very problematic: it gives the State the ability to override local election offices.

Can the state take over local election offices?

Much of the work administering elections in Georgia is handled by the state's 159 counties. The law gives the State Election Board new powers to intervene in county election offices and to remove and replace local election officials. That has led to concerns that the Republican-controlled state board could exert more influence over the administration of elections, including the certification of county results.

So, potentially, if the State Election Board didn't like the results coming in from County X, the state could just kick out the local officials, take over the county office and submit whatever results they want. Anyone want to take odds on the proposition that counties tending to vote Democrat would be subject to more "scrutiny" under the new law?
Yep. If the suppression proves insufficient, they'll just toss the results from "problematic" counties. Even KGF can't defend this part so he ignored it.
 

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If you were an urban (and to a large extent, suburban) voter and the state you lived in took extensive measures to maximize the difficulty you had to vote and to minimize the power of your vote, would you consider that fair? Yes or no?

I honestly am not really educated on this issue. I know Washington Post gave biden 4 pinocchios regarding his claim about the polls closing early.
Biden was also obviously wrong about his claim during the press conference that people in line couldnt get water. Drop boxes were zero before the pandemic, and the bill now allows drop boxes. I believe the voting period was shortened from 11 weeks to 7 weeks? I believe more weekend days were actually added?

None of this seems a big deal to me, maybe i am missing something. Anything with requiring some sort of id seems very reasonable to me, as we see in other countries.
 

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LOL - that worked well for the NFL, remember?

The difference between the left is that our hopes and dreams are all about more inclusivity and progressiveness vs. more money/less taxes. Guess which side is more committed??? The lightness always defeats the darkness in the end!!


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You're more..."communal"...
 

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If you were an urban (and to a large extent, suburban) voter and the state you lived in took extensive measures to maximize the difficulty you had to vote and to minimize the power of your vote, would you consider that fair? Yes or no?
It's just not that hard to go the 2-5 blocks needed to vote in person when you're in an urban environment.
Having read the law, the only thing to raise you eye on is handing out water. However, person's working the election can hand out water so I take that law as one that keeps the sharks out of the water. 😉
 

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I take that as a compliment - thank you for noticing and hope you enjoyed your Easter.
Resurrection Sunday was wonderful. 6 people baptized this morning. One, a former atheist. I'm glad we could compliment each other.
 

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It's just not that hard to go the 2-5 blocks needed to vote in person when you're in an urban environment.
Having read the law, the only thing to raise you eye on is handing out water. However, person's working the election can hand out water so I take that law as one that keeps the sharks out of the water. 😉

It's not hard to go 2-5 blocks and then wait 5 hours in a line.
 

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I honestly am not really educated on this issue. I know Washington Post gave biden 4 pinocchios regarding his claim about the polls closing early.
Biden was also obviously wrong about his claim during the press conference that people in line couldnt get water. Drop boxes were zero before the pandemic, and the bill now allows drop boxes. I believe the voting period was shortened from 11 weeks to 7 weeks? I believe more weekend days were actually added?

None of this seems a big deal to me, maybe i am missing something. Anything with requiring some sort of id seems very reasonable to me, as we see in other countries.
See that's the problem. One conflates a Biden gaffe with the idea that well there must be no there there, then, and RW media certainly isn't covering the many problems with all of this voter suppression legislation, as they have a political ax to grind. So folks like you and S2 have some warped idea that it's all based on lies!!!! Which of course is ridiculously false. We have entire threads on this subject, so feel free to look them over and gain the information you need.
 

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See that's the problem. One conflates a Biden gaffe with the idea that well there must be no there there, then, and RW media certainly isn't covering the many problems with all of this voter suppression legislation, as they have a political ax to grind. So folks like you and S2 have some warped idea that it's all based on lies!!!! Which of course is ridiculously false. We have entire threads on this subject, so feel free to look them over and gain the information you need.

Posts 11 by MennoSota and 89 by Son of a Norwegian are the only posters in this thread who gave me information about this law. Done very well by the way as far as i can see. Faux Freemarketers thread has no info about bill.

Did my hw as assigned. I am guessing you have additional info other than what they shared? Otherwise really tempting for me to think there is no there there.
 
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Posts 11 by MennoSota and 89 by Son of a Norwegian are the only posters in this thread who gave me information about this law. Done very well by the way as far as i can see.

Did my hw as assigned. I am guessing you have additional info other than what they shared? Otherwise really tempting for me to think there is no there there.
As usual, the information is all around you, you just have to actually want to see it. We've spoonfed you and you still refuse. Gerrymandering, alone, which is mainly a Republican Party tactic and one trying to be outlawed by the new voting legislation, is absurd, and gives a very clear advantage to any party that employs it. Can you justify it?
 

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As usual, the information is all around you, you just have to actually want to see it. We've spoonfed you and you still refuse. Gerrymandering, alone, which is mainly a Republican Party tactic and one trying to be outlawed by the new voting legislation, is absurd, and gives a very clear advantage to any party that employs it. Can you justify it?

Nothing about gerrymandering in this bill. Have to wonder why MLB didnt just say gerrymandering if that was the issue. Also have to wonder why their protest against gerrymandering happened to occur immediately after the election bill. Answered my question though. All star game is moved due to gerrymandering not the voting law. Guess i had missed that. Thanks.
 

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Both parties have extremists. But the extremists already won a complete and total victory over the Republican party. It is now the party of Trumpism, Qanon and white grevience.

The moderate wing of the Democrate party crushed the liberal wing in the primary which is why Biden is President. They also control everything happening in the Senate right now.

"Both sides are the same" has never been less true.
Complete and total! Yet most of the politicians Trump supported did not win, as you well know because you delighted in their primary and general losses. And many republicans voted for Biden.
stating that the Republicans are the party of Qanon is just propaganda. It’s a tiny subset of Trump voters.
democrats have a huge problem with BLM and antifa. The radicals got some power, and the establishment is terrified of them. It was easy to control with Trump as a fall guy. Without him, we will see. You are declaring victory awful early.
 

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Nothing about gerrymandering in this bill. Have to wonder why MLB didnt just say gerrymandering if that was the issue. Also have to wonder why their protest against gerrymandering happened to occur immediately after the election bill. Answered my question though. All star game is moved due to gerrymandering not the voting law. Guess i had missed that. Thanks.
Let's focus on gerrymandering for a moment. You think that's OK?

Notably, the new GA bill did NOT address gerrymandering in their state. Also notably, the fair voting bill pushed by Democrats at the federal level does.
 

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Let's focus on gerrymandering for a moment. You think that's OK?

Notably, the new GA bill did NOT address gerrymandering in their state. Also notably, the fair voting bill pushed by Democrats at the federal level does.
Gerrymandering has nothing to do with Georgia's new voter law. It's not addressed. You are blowing smoke to obfuscate the fact that there is nothing in the law warranting a boycott.
 

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I honestly am not really educated on this issue. I know Washington Post gave biden 4 pinocchios regarding his claim about the polls closing early.
Biden was also obviously wrong about his claim during the press conference that people in line couldnt get water. Drop boxes were zero before the pandemic, and the bill now allows drop boxes. I believe the voting period was shortened from 11 weeks to 7 weeks? I believe more weekend days were actually added?

None of this seems a big deal to me, maybe i am missing something. Anything with requiring some sort of id seems very reasonable to me, as we see in other countries.
Regarding Biden's comments, Chris Christie nails it.
 

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Let's focus on gerrymandering for a moment. You think that's OK?

Notably, the new GA bill did NOT address gerrymandering in their state. Also notably, the fair voting bill pushed by Democrats at the federal level does.

Gerrymandering shouldnt be used by either side. Must be a better way.

Thanks again for informing me that the stand taken by these corporations was due to gerrymandering, not the voting rights bill. I was plainly ill-informed.

I do agree with you that the voting rights bill is written pretty fairly
 
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Good to see Gov Abbott pull out of throwing first pitch of Ranger's game. Doing this in protest of crazy MLB decision. Cqinda hate to see the right resorting to tactics of the left, even in this very small way, but probly to not join the battle means to lose the battle.
 

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Meh. Gov Abbott throws a first pitch like FDR -impotent. A real leader strides out to the mound and fires in a high hard one. ⚾️
 

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This letter from Marco Rubio to MLB Comm. Manfred is so awesome. And 100% correct. You woke douchebags got this one 100% wrong as usual.

 
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