Michael Flynn expected to plea GUILTY! LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!

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Actually, my degrees aren’t from the U. I graduated from a major university (part of which was paid for by an athletic scholarship) and a Masters degree (partially on academic scholarship) from a major state university outside of Minnesota.

I don’t need validation from you about my character or intelligence.
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You might not want it, but you'll get it.
I said “I don’t NEED” it. Have at it. It doesn’t matter.

If we’re critiquing each other, I find you to be a weirdo. But that’s just speculation and stroker doesn’t want me speculating.
 

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Actually, my degrees aren’t from the U. I graduated from a major university (part of which was paid for by an athletic scholarship) and a Masters degree (partially on academic scholarship) from a major state university outside of Minnesota.

I don’t need validation from you about my character or intelligence.
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I yam a graduate of Drumpf University. I am now very, very successful and incredibly smart...intelligent even. I only use Good words when I talk out loud, and I write Good words also, but not many. I feel incredibly fortunate to have been selected to attend this finest of universities where each and every professional instructor was personally and carefully selected by Dr. Drumpf himself.
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He’s referring to the final charges, not the other possible charges. Obviously, the FBI chose not to pursue those other charges for some reason. And that’s also why I said Gowdy seemed to be indicating that they weren’t squeezing him that hard.
Another possibility is that Flynn is going to testify for the Feds and they don’t want to muddy him up any more than necessary......but they will if need be that’s why he pled to lesser charges?[emoji848]


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Why don’t you check my post? I said, originally in bold lettering:
“Now, you tell me which CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS have Conservatives leading a hard news show like...Shep Smith and Chris Wallace. Leading a hard news show. Let me add, leading any news show.

Now, go do another simple Google search for that.

Hugh Hewitt does not have a show on MSNBC. He is sometimes a guest.

Nicole Wallace is an anti-Trumper. I’m an ‘establishment’ Republican and I wouldn’t consider her representative of the majority of Republicans or Conservatives. And she does not have a show. She’s a guest analyst.

Feeble attempt at a response.
So, wait...Hugh Hewitt doesn't host the show, "Hugh Hewitt," Saturdays at 7 am on MSNBC?
 

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So, wait...Hugh Hewitt doesn't host the show, "Hugh Hewitt," Saturdays at 7 am on MSNBC?
Well there you go. Who would’ve known? It’s not listed on the website of the news correspondents and shows.
He gets a 1/2 hour on Saturday morning at 7:00 am. Prime time. 20 mins after commercials. Impressive.
 

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Well there you go. Who would’ve known? It’s not listed on the website of the news correspondents and shows.
He gets a 1/2 hour on Saturday morning at 7:00 am. Prime time. 20 mins after commercials. Impressive.
Who said anything about when it is on? Does Hugh Hewitt host a show on MSNBC, or no?
 

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Who said anything about when it is on? Does Hugh Hewitt host a show on MSNBC, or no?
I think I just said he did.

My point was that there is a significantly disproportionate number of Liberal slanted anchors and show hosts on non-Fox News channels while Fox News has a significant Democrat/Liberal presence on the line up. Shep Smith gets an hour every weekday. Chris Wallace is one of the faces of FoxNews for two decades.

20 mins early Saturday morning doesn’t change the point being made.
 

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Another possibility is that Flynn is going to testify for the Feds and they don’t want to muddy him up any more than necessary......but they will if need be that’s why he pled to lesser charges?[emoji848]


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You always select a charge of "lying to the FBI" for you star witness. 100%. Good take there, sporty. Maybe you did belong at Maple Grove State.
 

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I think I just said he did.

My point was that there is a significantly disproportionate number of Liberal slanted anchors and show hosts on non-Fox News channels while Fox News has a significant Democrat/Liberal presence on the line up. Shep Smith gets an hour every weekday. Chris Wallace is one of the faces of FoxNews for two decades.

20 mins early Saturday morning doesn’t change the point being made.
Joe Scarborough was a long time republican who hosts a daily morning show for THREE hours on MSNBC......for the past TEN YEARS. He only recently declared to be an independent.

But don't let facts trip you up.
 

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Joe Scarborough was a long time republican who hosts a daily morning show for THREE hours on MSNBC......for the past TEN YEARS. He only recently declared to be an independent.
But don't let facts trip you up.
Bahahahahaha. Joe Scarborough hasn’t really been a Republican for several years. He just made it official a couple months ago.
 

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You always select a charge of "lying to the FBI" for you star witness. 100%. Good take there, sporty. Maybe you did belong at Maple Grove State.
That’s very hurtful[emoji22][emoji22]


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Bahahahahaha. Joe Scarborough hasn’t really been a Republican for several years. He just made it official a couple months ago.
Hahahahaha! Excuses. Keep it up KFC. Your credibility is dropping with every post.
 

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Hugh Hewitt's MSNBC Show is pretty good. I DVR it, since I generally am still sleeping at 7:00 on Saturday mornings.

His radio show is one that many liberals could actually listen to and not go too crazy. While he is obviously conservative, he has quite a few guests from the other side. In fact he did a long interview with Hillary Clinton last week, where she offered to stay an extra segment because she was enjoying it so much (that's no lie). I podcast his radio show because it is also on very early in the morning (AM 1280 5:00-8:00 weekdays) and his producer does an after show that is only for podcasters that is fantastic.
https://www.hughniverse.com/
 

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You used to be a reasonably credible poster. Then you started morphing into another stockboy.
My man, I’m not looking for affirmation. You get my opinion whether you like it or not. My response was a sarcastic one; I couldn’t care less if you disagree. What I care about is a honest exchange of thoughts and positions. That’s how I learn and sometimes adjust my thinking.[emoji41]


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Where is Howie? I didn't go thru the whole thread, but Russia Collusion accuser #1 must have some thoughts on all these developments. Not following the whole story super close. Were all those "coincidences" proven to lead to collusion with Russia to steal the election?
 

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And then why lie to the FBI about it? After all he was doing something that's totally normal and expected, right?
Alan Dershowitz has spoken and written about this at length and theorized that Mueller’s case against those above Flynn is weak. So why did Flynn lie?

The first link is from an article written by Dershowitz for The Hill

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/362948-why-did-flynn-lie-and-why-did-mueller-charge-him-with-lying

“The first question is, why did Flynn lie? People who lie to the FBI generally do so because, if they told the truth, they would be admitting to a crime. But the two conversations that Flynn falsely denied having were not criminal. He may have believed they were criminal but, if he did, he was wrong.“

In others words, he just messed up not knowing what of what he did was illegal.

The second like is from a Dershowitz TV interview:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/12/03/alan_dershowitz_flynn_has_no_credibility_as_a_witness.html

Dershowitz says:

I'm sure the prosecutor was trying to indict him for some scheme or conspiracy that involved other people in the White House, but there is nothing there, and he had to, finally come down and indict him for lying, which makes him a useless witness.

So, this is not a show of strength by the prosecutor. It’s a show of weakness. It’s a show that they really have nothing on anybody above of Flynn and that Flynn made the terrible mistake about lying about something he could have told truth about. Because the two things he lied about were perfectly lawful and perfectly proper for somebody to do during the transition. And so, I think it really reflects a weakness, not a strength in Mueller’s prosecution...

If they had anything more serious, they would have indicted him for it. But they couldn't indict him under the Logan Act because the Logan Act no longer exists. It is the act that says you can't negotiate with a foreign power if you're not in office. He would be guilty of that if the Logan Act was in effect, but it hasn't been used for over 200 years. And they couldn't get a conspiracy because there is no conspiracy. Collusion is not a crime, making a deal with a foreign power is not a crime. They may be political sins, but they are not crimes.”
 

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Where is Howie? I didn't go thru the whole thread, but Russia Collusion accuser #1 must have some thoughts on all these developments. Not following the whole story super close. Were all those "coincidences" proven to lead to collusion with Russia to steal the election?
Same as the Hillary accusations. Nothing PROVEN yet. However....you and your ilk have been trying for years. Trump still has new facts coming out.

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Same as the Hillary accusations. Nothing PROVEN yet. However....you and your ilk have been trying for years. Trump still has new facts coming out.
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Can we get Sheriff David Clark to be the lead agent investigating Trump like Hillary had Agent Strzok in all her’s?
 

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Can we get Sheriff David Clark to be the lead agent investigating Trump like Hillary had Agent Strzok in all her’s?
KFC with a deflection. No surprises there.

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Why don’t you check my post? I said, originally in bold lettering:
“Now, you tell me which CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS have Conservatives leading a hard news show like...Shep Smith and Chris Wallace. Leading a hard news show. Let me add, leading any news show.

Now, go do another simple Google search for that.

Hugh Hewitt does not have a show on MSNBC. He is sometimes a guest.

Nicole Wallace is an anti-Trumper. I’m an ‘establishment’ Republican and I wouldn’t consider her representative of the majority of Republicans or Conservatives. And she does not have a show. She’s a guest analyst.

Feeble attempt at a response.
Nicole wallace NBC News political analyst and former The View co-host is expanding her role with the network as host of a new weekday program on MSNBC. Weekdays at 4. This is pretty simple stuff you don't seem to be able to figure out. Care to admit you were wrong... again? Don't worry I know you won't but everyone already knows you are a joke.
 

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Alan Dershowitz has spoken and written about this at length and theorized that Mueller’s case against those above Flynn is weak. So why did Flynn lie?

The first link is from an article written by Dershowitz for The Hill

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/362948-why-did-flynn-lie-and-why-did-mueller-charge-him-with-lying

“The first question is, why did Flynn lie? People who lie to the FBI generally do so because, if they told the truth, they would be admitting to a crime. But the two conversations that Flynn falsely denied having were not criminal. He may have believed they were criminal but, if he did, he was wrong.“

In others words, he just messed up not knowing what of what he did was illegal.

The second like is from a Dershowitz TV interview:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/12/03/alan_dershowitz_flynn_has_no_credibility_as_a_witness.html

Dershowitz says:

I'm sure the prosecutor was trying to indict him for some scheme or conspiracy that involved other people in the White House, but there is nothing there, and he had to, finally come down and indict him for lying, which makes him a useless witness.

So, this is not a show of strength by the prosecutor. It’s a show of weakness. It’s a show that they really have nothing on anybody above of Flynn and that Flynn made the terrible mistake about lying about something he could have told truth about. Because the two things he lied about were perfectly lawful and perfectly proper for somebody to do during the transition. And so, I think it really reflects a weakness, not a strength in Mueller’s prosecution...

If they had anything more serious, they would have indicted him for it. But they couldn't indict him under the Logan Act because the Logan Act no longer exists. It is the act that says you can't negotiate with a foreign power if you're not in office. He would be guilty of that if the Logan Act was in effect, but it hasn't been used for over 200 years. And they couldn't get a conspiracy because there is no conspiracy. Collusion is not a crime, making a deal with a foreign power is not a crime. They may be political sins, but they are not crimes.”
Why would Flynn think what he was doing was illegal when it's so obvious to everyone that what he was doing was appropriate and normal and occurs in every presidency? You would think that in the weeks that the WH was repeatedly changing the story about what happened someone would have said, "listen, Mike, it's totally appropriate for you to have discussed ending sanctions with Kislyak"

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/mike-flynn-timeline-his-rise-fall-russia-call-n720671

Jan. 12 — Washington Post columnist David Ignatius first reports the contact between Flynn and Kislyak, raising questions about whether sanctions were discussed.

Jan. 13 — Trump spokesman Sean Spicer says Flynn did not discuss sanctions with the ambassador and the purpose of the call was to schedule a time for Trump and Putin to speak post-inauguration.

Jan. 15 — Vice President Mike Pence tells CBS's "Face the Nation" that sanctions were not discussed: “It was strictly coincidental that they had a conversation. They did not discuss anything having to do with the United States' decision to expel diplomats or impose censure against Russia."

Jan. 23 — At Spicer's first White House press briefing, he says that Flynn assured him the night before that the Flynn-Kislyak call did not involve sanctions. The subject, Spicer says, was a plane crash over the holiday, Christmas greetings, a potential conference in Syria on ISIS, and scheduling a call with Putin.

Feb. 9 — The Washington Post reports that Flynn, according to current and former U.S. officials, did discuss sanctions with the Russian ambassador; officials confirm the content of the discussion to NBC News. This day is the first time Pence is informed of the Justice Department warning about Flynn's call — two weeks after Trump was told.

Feb. 10 — A spokesperson for Flynn tells NBC News that Flynn "can't be 100 percent sure," but doesn't remember talking sanctions. Trump denies knowledge of the reports that Flynn and the Russian talked sanctions. "I don't know about it. I haven't seen it. What report is that?" he tells reporters. Also that day, Flynn speaks by phone to Pence, reportedly to apologize to him.

Feb. 13 — Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway tells NBC News that Flynn has the full confidence of the president. Moments later, Spicer says Trump is evaluating the situation. Hours after that, Flynn resigns, saying he "inadvertently briefed the vice president-elect and others with incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian ambassador."
As for the bolded, perhaps. But perhaps, just perhaps, they took a plea bargain because he's cooperating.
 

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You don't charge them with lying when you want to use them as a cooperating witness. You want someone with a little credibility. Probably just too simple for you. You just do hard stuff!
 
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