Michael Flynn expected to plea GUILTY! LOCK HIM UP!!!!!!

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This is big. Trump nailed for Russian Collusion!!
 

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This is big. Trump nailed for Russian Collusion!!
So you honestly think, knowing all the things that Flynn has been accused of, that Mueller decided to charge him with the most basic and simplest one because that's the end of the story?
 

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He flipped on Ivanka for plagiarizing herself? Certainly the timing of this cannot be a coincidence...
 

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Yates was fired for not defending the Trump travel ban. What about this timeline or Flynn's situation has anything to do with Trump colluding with Russia to overturn a US election?

Look, none of us know what is going to happen here. But I and others have said for a long, long time that Flynn was going to get in some trouble. So this is no surprise at all. Mueller may have something from Flynn or he may be just looking to get out of this with a scalp or two before the kitchen gets a little too hot for him and the deep staters he is protecting.
 

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Yates was fired for not defending the Trump travel ban. What about this timeline or Flynn's situation has anything to do with Trump colluding with Russia to overturn a US election?

Look, none of us know what is going to happen here. But I and others have said for a long, long time that Flynn was going to get in some trouble. So this is no surprise at all. Mueller may have something from Flynn or he may be just looking to get out of this with a scalp or two before the kitchen gets a little too hot for him and the deep staters he is protecting.
I'm sure Mueller is sweating bullets. :rolleyes: The only people higher on the food chain that Flynn could roll on is narrow. Could be Jared, Don Jr., Sessions or the President. I'm not sure that they need anyone's help to nail Jared. That would narrow the list even further.
 

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Yates was fired for not defending the Trump travel ban. What about this timeline or Flynn's situation has anything to do with Trump colluding with Russia to overturn a US election?

Look, none of us know what is going to happen here. But I and others have said for a long, long time that Flynn was going to get in some trouble. So this is no surprise at all. Mueller may have something from Flynn or he may be just looking to get out of this with a scalp or two before the kitchen gets a little too hot for him and the deep staters he is protecting.
Honestly, that's a good point I had forgotten about. What's concerning, though, is how long Flynn worked in the WH after January 26. Not to mention the Comey meeting on Jan 27.

You're right, maybe this is all Mueller had Flynn on. I doubt it, but it's possible. But when you immediately respond to news with, "and this is not proof of Trump collusion with Russia," you're implying that this is the last piece of news we'll ever get.

I'll just reiterate what I've written before:
- It's quite possible that the Trump campaign didn't actively work with the Russian government to interfere in the election.
- That being said, the Russian government pretty clearly attempted to interfere in the election.
- Trump has nothing but praise for the Russian government, criticizing his own country rather than criticize Russia and Putin.
- Members of the Trump campaign and family have repeatedly lied in the press and on legally-binding forms about their contacts with Russians. They may well have lied to Congress.
- Paul Manafort was clearly involved in money laundering involving Russian entities and despite the Trump campaigns pleas, was a key member of the campaign.
- Mike Flynn was clearly working for and with foreign governments, perhaps including Russia, while working for Trump
- Trump himself has seemed awfully afraid of the investigation, which is odd since you'd think he'd be eager to clear his name

At the very least there's something in Trump's connection to Russia that he doesn't want people to find out about. It may not have been the campaign itself, but the obvious attempts to derail any process that might get to the truth make it strongly seem that they have something to hide.

This is why I always laugh when people narrowly construe collusion or take the latest piece of lying or connection as the last and definitive word on Trump's innocence. At what point do you sit and wait and stop looking silly because you think *now* we've finally heard everything.
 

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I'm sure Mueller is sweating bullets. :rolleyes: The only people higher on the food chain that Flynn could roll on is narrow. Could be Jared, Don Jr., Sessions or the President. I'm not sure that they need anyone's help to nail Jared. That would narrow the list even further.
Mueller wants to do 3 things:

1. Protect the FBI from looking dirty (which it was and is), because he is the former head of the FBI, Comey is his friend and he has lots of deep state pals.
2. Shield the investigation from reaching back into old issues like Uranium One where he himself helped cover up the Russian bribery scheme.
3. Get as many Trumpsters in trouble as possible without compromising #1 and #2 so that it looks like his investigation accomplished something.

In my opinion- his best shot at doing all of that is to get a couple of scalps like Manafort and Flynn now for crimes not related to Russian election collusion, declare the investigation over, clearing Trump, and hope that Trump and Sessions are willing to overlook past FBI and Justice Department sins if the Russian collusion aspect is put to bed.
 

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Let's for a moment say all of that is true:

1. Do you believe Flynn?
2. Is he to be considered a reliable witness?
3. What did he direct Flynn to contact "the Russians" about? It is not illegal to speak to Russians.

And, if this report is true- someone from Mueller's team broke the law (again). But I guess we only care about some laws...

Also- I see that the report has been updated to say that "President Trump" (not candidate Trump) asked Flynn to contact the Russians. If so is this illegal?
 

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Let's for a moment say all of that is true:

1. Do you believe Flynn?
2. Is he to be considered a reliable witness?
3. What did he direct Flynn to contact "the Russians" about? It is not illegal to speak to Russians.

And, if this report is true- someone from Mueller's team broke the law (again). But I guess we only care about some laws...
Mueller needed to rush this before his indictment comes down. LOL!

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Yep - it looks like we are in for a rough ride ahead. Mueller has Flynn saying whatever he can to get out from under 1 million dollars in legal bills and a long prison sentence. This testimony saves him and possibly his son- so the reliability of it will be called into question. This is consistent with Mueller's history and of his assistant Weissman. We'll have to see what happens.
 

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Trump's attorney Ty Cobb:



"Today, Michael Flynn, a former National Security Advisor at the White House for 25 days during the Trump Administration, and a former Obama administration official, entered a guilty plea to a single count of making a false statement to the FBI.

"The false statements involved mirror the false statements to White House officials which resulted in his resignation in February of this year. Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn. The conclusion of this phase of the Special Counsel's work demonstrates again that the Special Counsel is moving with all deliberate speed and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion."
 

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Trump's attorney Ty Cobb:



"Today, Michael Flynn, a former National Security Advisor at the White House for 25 days during the Trump Administration, and a former Obama administration official, entered a guilty plea to a single count of making a false statement to the FBI.

"The false statements involved mirror the false statements to White House officials which resulted in his resignation in February of this year. Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn. The conclusion of this phase of the Special Counsel's work demonstrates again that the Special Counsel is moving with all deliberate speed and clears the way for a prompt and reasonable conclusion."
So they're trying to pin him to Obama, not Trump.

Why am I not surprised? :)
 

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Yep - it looks like we are in for a rough ride ahead. Mueller has Flynn saying whatever he can to get out from under 1 million dollars in legal bills and a long prison sentence. This testimony saves him and possibly his son- so the reliability of it will be called into question. This is consistent with Mueller's history and of his assistant Weissman. We'll have to see what happens.
Really dude? (SMH)[emoji57]


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Really dude? (SMH)[emoji57]


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Yeah really, dude. We are going to have to see what happens. A report is out just now saying that Flynn is prepared to testify against "high ranking members of the Trump transition team". Jared? Who knows. Transition team members, does not smack of Russian collusion to me. But again, we'll see. Whoever broke the law, whether Dem or R should be fairly investigated. The government is corrupt right through the FBI which Mueller was a part of. I trust no one and I have no idea what anyone in the Trump team or even Trump himself did. Do you? I have great doubts that there was any Russian collusion by the Trump team. At the same time- we KNOW that Hillary colluded with the Russians through hired hands - Elias- Fusion- Russians. That we don't have to guess about.
 

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Yeah really, dude. We are going to have to see what happens. A report is out just now saying that Flynn is prepared to testify against "high ranking members of the Trump transition team". Jared? Who knows. Transition team members, does not smack of Russian collusion to me. But again, we'll see. Whoever broke the law, whether Dem or R should be fairly investigated. The government is corrupt right through the FBI which Mueller was a part of. I trust no one and I have no idea what anyone in the Trump team or even Trump himself did. Do you? I have great doubts that there was any Russian collusion by the Trump team. At the same time- we KNOW that Hillary colluded with the Russians through hired hands - Elias- Fusion- Russians. That we don't have to guess about.
The video says that "candidate Trump ordered him to make contact with the Russians." We can only guess what "contact" means, but the spin of it being underlings or it being only during transition is unfounded, according to the video.

Let's just remember that Flynn was fired ONLY because the Washington Post ran a story based on anonymous sources:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/national-security-adviser-flynn-discussed-sanctions-with-russian-ambassador-despite-denials-officials-say/2017/02/09/f85b29d6-ee11-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html?utm_term=.7276ee7421b2
 

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Yeah really, dude. We are going to have to see what happens. A report is out just now saying that Flynn is prepared to testify against "high ranking members of the Trump transition team". Jared? Who knows. Transition team members, does not smack of Russian collusion to me. But again, we'll see. Whoever broke the law, whether Dem or R should be fairly investigated. The government is corrupt right through the FBI which Mueller was a part of. I trust no one and I have no idea what anyone in the Trump team or even Trump himself did. Do you? I have great doubts that there was any Russian collusion by the Trump team. At the same time- we KNOW that Hillary colluded with the Russians through hired hands - Elias- Fusion- Russians. That we don't have to guess about.
What needs to happen to convince you that Trump is guilty of conclusion and/or obstruction?

You are already convinced that Hillary broke the law even though she hasn’t been charged with anything.


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What needs to happen to convince you that Trump is guilty of conclusion and/or obstruction?

You are already convinced that Hillary broke the law even though she hasn’t been charged with anything.


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Well... I would need to have him found guilty of collusion or of obstruction. I think it is a self answering question isn't it?

Am I convinced that Hillary colluded? Yep- there is proof that she took over the DNC. There is proof that the DNC paid Elias to hire Fusion and there is proof that Fusion went to the Russians to write up a false dossier on Trump. There are bank records of the above transactions.

What do you have as proof that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the election? The answer as of today remains a big fat nothin'.

Let's game this out for a second SF24. Let's say Trump is just as corrupt as you think he is. Let's say he was colluding. We know that Trump has full pardon powers. He can pardon anyone at any time. The reports say that Flynn felt abandoned by Trump. If Trump thought that Flynn had the goods on Trump or the Trump family, why wouldn't Trump just get the message to him...."Hey Mike, just hold out and take your lumps and I'll make sure you and your son don't spend 24 hours in jail?" But he didn't do that, instead, he separated himself from Flynn and let Flynn cop a plea.

As of now- Flynn is looking at jail time - even if he cooperates and there is no one to pardon him.
 

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The video says that "candidate Trump ordered him to make contact with the Russians." We can only guess what "contact" means, but the spin of it being underlings or it being only during transition is unfounded, according to the video.

Let's just remember that Flynn was fired ONLY because the Washington Post ran a story based on anonymous sources:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/national-security-adviser-flynn-discussed-sanctions-with-russian-ambassador-despite-denials-officials-say/2017/02/09/f85b29d6-ee11-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html?utm_term=.7276ee7421b2
Yep- it is ironic that Flynn was fired as a result of someone in the deep state breaking the law.
 
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