Mass shooting at Texas Wal-Mart, at least 20 dead

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Initial report I heard points to a white supremacist lunatic. Man I wish that sick ideology would end.
 

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I expect that a lot of people in El Paso and around the country are praying for the victims and families of the victims.
 

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The suspect in the deadly shooting at an El Paso shopping center is Patrick Crusius, 21, of Allen, Texas, three sources tell CNN.

The information comes from two federal law enforcement sources and one state government source. The federal sources tell CNN that investigators are reviewing an online writing posted days before the shooting that may speak to a motive.

The online posting was believed to be written by Crusius, the sources said, but that has not been confirmed.

In a news conference, Sgt. Robert Gomez of the El Paso Police Department told reporters the suspect in custody is a white male in his 20s.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/el-paso-tx-shooting-live-updates/h_7588ce1ac5b3ec2a1767f74f294bbb0c
 

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I expect that a lot of people in El Paso and around the country are praying for the victims and families of the victims.
Most people are praying that we change our gun laws to make it more difficult for white nationalist terrorists and other terrorists to get their hands on these weapons of mass destruction.


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Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Report: Right-Wingers Committed Every 2018 Extremist Murder In US

“The white supremacist attack in Pittsburgh should serve as a wake-up call to everyone about the deadly consequences of hateful rhetoric,” ADL CEO Jonathan A. Greenblatt said in a statement accompanying the report’s release. “It’s time for our nation’s leaders to appropriately recognize the severity of the threat and to devote the necessary resources to address the scourge of right-wing extremism.”

The ADL only includes in its count incidents in which there is “positive evidence connecting the murderer to an extremist group or movement,” rather than just a killing committed by someone who has expressed racist, anti-Semitic, or other hateful comments. They are categorized by their “primary” ideology, meaning the one they seem most driven by, most recently followed, or that clearly drove the murder they carried out.

As the ADL notes, “the deaths described here represent merely the tip of a pyramid of extremist violence and crime in the United States; for each person killed by an extremist, many more are wounded or injured in attempted murders and assaults. Extremists engage in a wide variety of other crimes related to their causes, from threats and harassment to white collar crime.”

Read complete article at: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckr...gue-report-right-wing-extremists-2018-murders
 

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I expect that a lot of people in El Paso and around the country are praying for the victims and families of the victims.
I know I am. I’m confident that both the quick and the dead will experience the comfort of my supplications.
 

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The on-line post - some called it a "Manifesto" was posted on some site called 8-Chan which is apparently associated with 4 Chan. Report I heard described 8-Chan as a preferred site for white nationalists.

A reporter who had read the post described it as attacking immigrants and minorities, and calling for white men to regain control of the country. apparently talked about some type of 'race war' that will be coming between whites and immigrants/minorities. To me, that sounds a lot like Charles Manson and his "helter skelter" ideas of a war between blacks and whites.

The mall in El Paso that was attacked is apparently known as a popular shopping site for Hispanics, immigrants and Mexican nationals who routinely cross the border from Juarez, Mexico to shop in El Paso. Several of the dead and wounded were identified as Mexican nationals. The mall was also having some kind of a promotion with no sales tax for the weekend, so the place was packed with families doing back-to-school shopping.

The alleged shooter lives near Dallas, so the guy drove 9 hours to El Paso. In other words, the site was chosen - not a coincidence.
 

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In all fairness, I watched a lot of coverage today, and nothing was said about the alleged shooter being a Trump supporter.
 

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The Trumpster has a share of every right wing terrorist killing in America since 2016 because he has done absolutely nothing to try to tamp down the rage and violence of white supremacists who have supported him from the very beginning.

This legacy will be tied to him forever by future historians every bit as much as his complicity in Russia's hijacking of the 2016 election, his xenophopic immigration policies, his failing Chinese tariff policies, his doomed disarmament negotiations with North Korea, his idiotic withdrawal from the Iran Nuclear Agreement which will ultimately push Iran much closer to acquiring nuclear weapons and igniting a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, his unwarranted tax cuts that have significantly increased the budget deficit and expanded the divide between rich and poor in America, and finally, his demonization of the media and contempt for the right of free speech for all Americans.

Trump and his divisive policies are the biggest threat to the future of America since the Civil War. WWI, WWII, and the Cold War with the Soviet Union only served to bring Americans together to fight against common enemies. That's not what's happening now. For many people in America their primary enemies are other Americans.
 
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Obviously not a Trump supporter, he shot up a Wal-Mart
 

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Minutes Before El Paso Killing, Hate-Filled Manifesto Appears Online

Nineteen minutes before the first 911 call alerted the authorities to a mass shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Tex., a hate-filled, anti-immigrant manifesto appeared online.

It spoke of a “Hispanic invasion of Texas.” It detailed a plan to separate America into territories by race. It warned that white people were being replaced by foreigners.

The manifesto that may be linked to Mr. Crusius described an imminent attack and railed against immigrants, saying, “if we can get rid of enough people, then our way of life can be more sustainable.”

From New Zealand to Pittsburgh to a synagogue in Poway, Calif., aggrieved white men over the last several months have turned to mass murder in service of hatred against immigrants, Jews and others they perceive as threats to the white race.

The unsigned manifesto, titled “The Inconvenient Truth,” draws direct inspiration from the mass murder of Muslims at two mosques in New Zealand in March that left 51 people dead. In that attack, the alleged killer published a manifesto online promoting a white supremacist theory called “the great replacement.”

The theory has been promoted by a French writer named Renaud Camus, and argues that elites in Europe have been working to replace white Europeans with immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa.

Christchurch has become a rallying cry for extremists the world over. The manifesto potentially linked to the El Paso killings begins, “In general, I support the Christchurch shooter and his manifesto. This attack is a response to the Hispanic invasion of Texas.”

The El Paso shooting, if the manifesto is linked to the gunman, potentially underscored the global spread of white supremacist ideology in the age of social media and at a time when immigration in America and elsewhere has become a divisive political topic.

Read complete article at: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/03/us/patrick-crusius-el-paso-shooter-manifesto.html
 
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Initial report I heard points to a white supremacist lunatic. Man I wish that sick ideology would end.
It’s getting stronger and more dangerous.


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It’s getting stronger and more dangerous.


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I don't believe it's getting stronger. I do believe it's more fear oriented as it loses its hope of dominance. In other words, it's desperate.
 

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This was such a small portion of the coverage. Like most events, different angles are explored. The guest even said “it would not be normal, but it’s not zero”.

FWIW, I don’t like news organizations speculating about anything. Just report the facts, which unfortunately are repetitive.

But score one for the lefties. Yah.
 

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He's a domestic terrorist. Just call it what it is.
I don’t think I called it anything else. That’s appropriate. But it is mental illness.

Anyone who kills innocent people for no rational reason is mentally ill. Whether it’s justified by religion, white supremacy, racism, anti-semitism, political view, or anything.
 
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