Manufactured Georgia ballots

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This isn’t an election, it’s an audit.
I agree with you that any conspiracy outside a couple people is really impossible to execute. People are undoubtedly acting out of self interest.
Did you learn nothing from Russiagate? There were hundreds of them involved in that conspiracy.
 

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Oh my heavens, STP is clutching his pearls about how elections are supposed to be run.

Perhaps you missed the parts where the voting laws were illegally changed in battleground states, where billionaire activists paid election officials in Maricopa & Fulton County, where a sketchy election machine company with connections to a hostile foreign power Venezuela, that's banned from other countries, that deleted the vote count, that refuses to comply with the court order to hand over their servers, or the trucked in ballots in the middle of the night, election observers who were kicked out during the vote count, where they covered the windows of the count room, threatened the lives of witnesses, doxxed election fraud witnesses, threatened witnesses' children, as well as judges and lawmakers looking at the fraud. Good heavens, we wouldn't want to spoil that type of election integrity.

I get it, you're a troll, but I'm going to explain it to others who might be reading and have an ounce of integrity. These Dem trolls try to play a certain game, which is to celebrate the GOP Neocon's #resistance against Trump, and then pretending if a GOP Necon does things to undermine Trump, that it must be legitimate since they're both from the GOP. Don;t fall for this nonsense.
Someone's pushing in all the chips today.
 


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Did you learn nothing from Russiagate? There were hundreds of them involved in that conspiracy.
People acting in self interest in concert is not what I call a conspiracy. Hundreds of people all wanted Trump gone at all costs. No secret conspiracy required.
 



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It's not?
In other words, each acting individually in their self interest (getting rid of Trump at all costs) which had the same effect as acting in a coordinated manner. Decentralized actions rather than one person pulling the strings and directing everyone what to do. It’s the same effect. The point is that a few people directing hundreds of people to engage in a conspiracy risks one person of conscience blowing the whistle. It’s basically impossible.
 

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it’s impossible and the stuff of fantasists. It’s quite possible that the established Republican party decided not to cover for 45s ego, and called the election straight Because it was the right thing to do. 45s continued insistence that he won and that only due to the other side cheating was a loss possible is ego salve. He had a surprise win against a really unpopular opponent, and then spent four years narrowcasting to his base.
You can praise his accomplishments, love his style, and hope he runs again, but it wouldn’t have taken a vast conspiracy to beat him at the polls in 2020. He was very vulnerable.
 


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Would it be Hillary hate to point out that she lost fair and square? Because she did. Really unpopular insider running against a charismatic outsider. It didn't take a conspiracy to bring her down, yet some folks stubbornly believe in one, because they can't contemplate people rationally thinking different from themselves.
 



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it’s impossible and the stuff of fantasists. It’s quite possible that the established Republican party decided not to cover for 45s ego, and called the election straight Because it was the right thing to do. 45s continued insistence that he won and that only due to the other side cheating was a loss possible is ego salve. He had a surprise win against a really unpopular opponent, and then spent four years narrowcasting to his base.
You can praise his accomplishments, love his style, and hope he runs again, but it wouldn’t have taken a vast conspiracy to beat him at the polls in 2020. He was very vulnerable.
I’ve said before, many family members who are right leaning voted for Biden. Small sample size but I think probably important.
that said, in a normal year Trump was of course vulnerable. But it wasn’t a normal year. His opponent hid in his basement and his only pitch was not Trump. There was zero enthusiasm for Biden. That kind of candidate could never win in a normal year. Did he really get 10 million more votes than Obama? It’s tough to believe.

The Democrats were willing to do anything to defeat Trump. Yes, that’s true but they didn’t do THAT is not a strong argument. The average person doesn’t understand what was at stake for states and munis had Trump won. They had an enormous incentive to defeat him at all costs. Coupled with the last minute election changes, there was strong motive and opportunity. It needs to be proven and hasn’t come close. But progs here arguing that it’s ridiculous aren’t seeing the big picture.

Republicans don’t have to be part of the conspiracy to be glad that Trump is gone. It’s a relief probably for many GOPers. He was a gigantic headache. Spending time and effort on a long shot election fraud case is probably just not worth it to then politically.
 

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I’ve said before, many family members who are right leaning voted for Biden. Small sample size but I think probably important.
that said, in a normal year Trump was of course vulnerable. But it wasn’t a normal year. His opponent hid in his basement and his only pitch was not Trump. There was zero enthusiasm for Biden. That kind of candidate could never win in a normal year. Did he really get 10 million more votes than Obama? It’s tough to believe.

The Democrats were willing to do anything to defeat Trump. Yes, that’s true but they didn’t do THAT is not a strong argument. The average person doesn’t understand what was at stake for states and munis had Trump won. They had an enormous incentive to defeat him at all costs. Coupled with the last minute election changes, there was strong motive and opportunity. It needs to be proven and hasn’t come close. But progs here arguing that it’s ridiculous aren’t seeing the big picture.

Republicans don’t have to be part of the conspiracy to be glad that Trump is gone. It’s a relief probably for many GOPers. He was a gigantic headache. Spending time and effort on a long shot election fraud case is probably just not worth it to then politically.
The actual claim is that Biden got 15-16 million more votes than Obama. Obama had 65 million in 2012. There is zero chance that this happened.

Trump being gone is a specific relief to GOP establishment politicians. For them it is back to business as usual- self dealing. The world of establishment politicians, as you know, is like pro wrestling. They act like they hate each other and then at night they go out drinking and laugh about the suckers that watch their matches. We are not being well served by the bulk of our would be public servants.
 

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The actual claim is that Biden got 15-16 million more votes than Obama. Obama had 65 million in 2012. There is zero chance that this happened.
This reminds me of an interview I saw with Trump soon after the election.
- He said the fact that Biden got more votes than anyone in history was proof there was fraud.
- Minutes later he said the fact that he got more votes than anyone in history was proof he won.

Not a very strong argument.
 

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This reminds me of an interview I saw with Trump soon after the election.
- He said the fact that Biden got more votes than anyone in history was proof there was fraud.
- Minutes later he said the fact that he got more votes than anyone in history was proof he won.

Not a very strong argument.
Kudos, @Spoofin, for calling out ShillGA as a complete know-nothing shill. Point awarded.
 



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This reminds me of an interview I saw with Trump soon after the election.
- He said the fact that Biden got more votes than anyone in history was proof there was fraud.
- Minutes later he said the fact that he got more votes than anyone in history was proof he won.

Not a very strong argument.
It is stronger than you think. The reality is that Trump got his votes the hard way and the honest way.
People with IDs went to the polls to vote for Trump. We know that the votes were real. With Biden, rules were changed with help from Zuckerberg money to loosen things up and allow for cheating. Huge vote by mail- normally subject to 4-5% rejects were accepted at a rate of 99.9 percent without much if any verification. Many of these laws were changed extra legally- without the legal consent of state legislature under the guise of the Covid emergency. Trump is right. As usual, he did not explain it specifically as well as some would like.
 

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The actual claim is that Biden got 15-16 million more votes than Obama. Obama had 65 million in 2012. There is zero chance that this happened.
High turnout and population growth are not conspiracies. Trump got more votes than 2016 despite being the least popular President in modern US history.

Why on earth did the GOP gain House seats if this was all rigged?
 

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Well, well, well....

Georgia Star News Exclusive: Fulton County Election Official Admits Chain of Custody Documents Missing for 2020 Absentee Ballots Deposited in Drop Boxes​


"In a stunning admission about the critical chain of custody documents for absentee ballots deposited into drop boxes in the November 3, 2020 election, a Fulton County election official told The Georgia Star News on Wednesday that “a few forms are missing” and that “some procedural paperwork may have been misplaced.”

A Star News analysis of drop box ballot transfer forms for absentee ballots deposited in drop boxes provided by Fulton County in response to an Open Records Request showed that 385 transfer forms out of an estimated 1,565 transfer forms Fulton County said should have been provided are missing – a number that is significantly greater than “a few” by any objective standard.

On Sunday, The Star News published a story which included the files containing digital images of the 1,180 transfer forms that Fulton County did provide. Those digital images can be viewed here.

This is the first time that any election official at either the state or county level from a key battleground state has made an admission of significant error in election procedures for the November 3, 2020 election.

The admission of missing chain of custody documents by a Fulton County official is important for several reasons that cut to the very core of public confidence in the outcome of the 2020 presidential election:

  • President Biden was certified as the winner of Georgia’s 16 Electoral College votes in the 2020 election by the narrow margin of less than 12,000 votes over former President Donald Trump out of a total of 5 million votes cast statewide.
  • The total number of absentee ballots whose chain of custody was purportedly documented in these 385 missing Fulton County absentee ballot transfer forms was 18,901, more than 6,000 votes greater than the less than 12,000 vote margin of Biden’s certified victory in the state.
  • Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger has taken no action in 156 of Georgia’s 159 counties to secure copies of any absentee ballot drop box transfer forms and review them for accuracy and consistency with reported absentee ballot vote counts. In April his office announced investigations into three small counties that “failed to do their absentee ballot transfer forms” in the November 2020 election in compliance with rules and regulations.
  • More than seven months after the November 3 election, 28 Georgia counties have failed to respond at all to The Star News Open Records Requests to produce absentee ballot drop box transfer forms. To date, The Star News has obtained absentee ballot drop box forms from 59 counties that provide chain of custody documentation for 266,492 absentee ballots deposited in drop boxes during the November 3, 2020 election, which means that no chain of custody documentation has been produced for about 333,000 absentee ballots deposited in drop boxes out of an estimated 600,000 absentee ballots deposited in drop boxes during that election.
  • As The Star News reported on Sunday, “These absentee ballots are at the center of a lawsuit filed by Garland Favorito and eight other Georgia residents, who have sued Fulton County to produce these ballots for a forensic audit. Henry County Superior Court Judge Brian Amero ruled in May that this audit could proceed, but allowed the plaintiffs to review only the digital images of these 145,000 absentee ballots. . . An estimated 145,000 absentee ballots – between 75,000 and 78,000 of which were originally deposited in drop boxes and between 67,000 and 70,000 of which were sent via the United States Postal Service – were transferred from the centralized counting facility at the State Farm Arena in downtown Atlanta to the EPC [the Election Preparation Center warehouse located at 1365 English St. NW, Atlanta] at some point after the counting of votes for the November 3 election was completed. . . Fulton County subsequently filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit, and Judge Amero put the audit on hold. Judge Amero has scheduled a hearing later this month to consider Fulton County’s motion to dismiss the lawsuit and stop the audit.”
Georgia Star News Exclusive: Fulton County Election Official Admits Chain of Custody Documents Missing for 2020 Absentee Ballots Deposited in Drop Boxes
 

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This is just another thing Trump will be proven right about. The media has egg on their face and they don’t care.
 




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