Loony Leftist Policy Destroying Minneapolis

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Oh boy.... This deserves a thread all on it's own. Their isn't a Dem with half a brain in their heads that would come within a 10-ft pole on this one. Literally and virtually impossible for someone to voice much high optimism for Biden that doesn't include at least some reference to Trump; absolutely zero stand-alone points for optimism about the guy that will without QUESTION get lost in the WH at least once a week
It's a fair question that I asked, I think. If the answer is a vote for Biden was really a vote against Trump, then at least that is an answer. But if that is the answer, then I should also be allowed to vote for Trump for similar reasons, right? My vote for Trump had nothing to do with the man himself and everything to do with the platform. It really had little to do with any negativity toward Biden but definitely some negativity toward some of the extreme left positions that seem to be becoming more prevalent.
 

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It's a fair question that I asked, I think. If the answer is a vote for Biden was really a vote against Trump, then at least that is an answer. But if that is the answer, then I should also be allowed to vote for Trump for similar reasons, right? My vote for Trump had nothing to do with the man himself and everything to do with the platform. It really had little to do with any negativity toward Biden but definitely some negativity toward some of the extreme left positions that seem to be becoming more prevalent.
Even though this is where millions of Americans stand as well (myself included), the whackadoos on the left will continue to their dying day to call Trump voters racists, bigots, white supremacists and look down upon them with vile and disgust.

Makes sense, right?
 

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It's a fair question that I asked, I think. If the answer is a vote for Biden was really a vote against Trump, then at least that is an answer. But if that is the answer, then I should also be allowed to vote for Trump for similar reasons, right? My vote for Trump had nothing to do with the man himself and everything to do with the platform. It really had little to do with any negativity toward Biden but definitely some negativity toward some of the extreme left positions that seem to be becoming more prevalent.
You did ask a fair question. The type of question that should be asked on an OTB like this. Unfortunately for all of us, you asked it to someone that is unable to provide a reasonable response and will only be able to utter the words “Trump” and “dotard.”
 

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I’ve asked the same question. 🤷‍♂️
Then, just today Stalker told me that he knows I proudly voted for Trump. So proud I won’t admit it? We clearly aren’t dealing with the brightest of the bunch here.
This might just be me, but these whole “boot licker, Fraud/proud Trump voter” attacks, sort of give me the “n word lover” vibe from the 60s, also by Democrats.
 

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You did ask a fair question. The type of question that should be asked on an OTB like this. Unfortunately for all of us, you asked it to someone that is unable to provide a reasonable response and will only be able to utter the words “Trump” and “dotard.”
Yeah, as far as wackadooos go, stalker and sidekick are in a league of their own. Trump is Satan and the list of things they consider “pro-Trump” is endless. Categorizing is helpful so things can make sense to them. Did you know being against distance learning is pro-Trump? I suspect they will still be yelling about DT and dotards for the next 4-years as well. After he destroys the economy and foreign policy before being forcibly removed from the White House, of course.
 

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It's a fair question that I asked, I think. If the answer is a vote for Biden was really a vote against Trump, then at least that is an answer. But if that is the answer, then I should also be allowed to vote for Trump for similar reasons, right? My vote for Trump had nothing to do with the man himself and everything to do with the platform. It really had little to do with any negativity toward Biden but definitely some negativity toward some of the extreme left positions that seem to be becoming more prevalent.
Very fair and reasonable. To most. I’ll build on your voting strategy - my vote was against the extreme left positions, but also against the man on the right - despite being much more in agreement with that platform. Unfortunately there are a few in here that highlight the division in this Country right now. You either be OUTRAGED by every thing said by or about Trump or you are a Trump loving bigot. All those conversations end the same way.
 

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Regarding your vote.....I had ruled out Trump based on your posting history. I'm an analyst by trade so I was able to read between the lines on that one. If you say you voted for Jo, I believe you. I couldn't recall you defending Biden so that was the reason for my question.

On the right vs left comment above......I don't deny the attacks work both ways here. A very high proportion of the posts on the OTB are toxic, no doubt.
Biden wasn't president. I didn't have to defend him.
 

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You did ask a fair question. The type of question that should be asked on an OTB like this. Unfortunately for all of us, you asked it to someone that is unable to provide a reasonable response and will only be able to utter the words “Trump” and “dotard.”
From someone who is an election and Hunter Biden truther. Quick to use the word "socialism" whenever possible.
 

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Yeah, as far as wackadooos go, stalker and sidekick are in a league of their own. Trump is Satan and the list of things they consider “pro-Trump” is endless. Categorizing is helpful so things can make sense to them. Did you know being against distance learning is pro-Trump? I suspect they will still be yelling about DT and dotards for the next 4-years as well. After he destroys the economy and foreign policy before being forcibly removed from the White House, of course.
lol. Look at who you agree with on a 99% basis: stolen election beej, hunter biden CRG, Trump best president ever KFC, etc.

All the biggest wack jobs on the OTB. You slip right in with them. Especially when you claim to be an independent.
 
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Very fair and reasonable. To most. I’ll build on your voting strategy - my vote was against the extreme left positions, but also against the man on the right - despite being much more in agreement with that platform. Unfortunately there are a few in here that highlight the division in this Country right now. You either be OUTRAGED by every thing said by or about Trump or you are a Trump loving bigot. All those conversations end the same way.
Stop lying. We know you voted for Trump. Stop acting like you had anything bad to say against "the man on the right". You defended him relentlessly for months, saw the writing on the wall, and then decided that you were an "independent".

Boo hoo. Another sore loser.
 
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Very fair and reasonable. To most. I’ll build on your voting strategy - my vote was against the extreme left positions, but also against the man on the right - despite being much more in agreement with that platform. Unfortunately there are a few in here that highlight the division in this Country right now. You either be OUTRAGED by every thing said by or about Trump or you are a Trump loving bigot. All those conversations end the same way.
But not the "wackadoos" on the right?

Fraud.
 

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But not the "wackadoos" on the right?

Fraud.
Stolen election, Hunter Biden emails, deep state, etc....

Spoofraud thinks these are all reasonable. Nothing wacky about it. :rolleyes:
 

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If you complain against public employee unions...privatize everything.
MPD should be funded by the public, and I think it's a great thing that its officers belong to a union, and I want that to continue.

My complaint is that the union is headed by an awful, hyper-conservative scumbag.
 

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Public unions are a massive conflict of interest.
Conflict of who's interest?
If you gave the right to form a union then why don't they?
There aren't easy answers but there is always a way.
 

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MPD should be funded by the public, and I think it's a great thing that its officers belong to a union, and I want that to continue.

My complaint is that the union is headed by an awful, hyper-conservative scumbag.
The problem is that the Union defends any and all conduct. Hopefully good documentation(body cams) can solve some of this. Also need some reform of qualified immunity.
 

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The problem is that the Union defends any and all conduct. Hopefully good documentation(body cams) can solve some of this. Also need some reform of qualified immunity.
Agree, but as you note, the unions will and do fight that tooth and nail.
 

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Most road work is done by private companies on contract.
Including plow drivers? How about we just get rid of the DOT and let counties figure out their own needs. Less bureaucracy.
 

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Including plow drivers? How about we just get rid of the DOT and let counties figure out their own needs. Less bureaucracy.
Building the roads. Plowing seems like it gets done pretty well, I don't want Counties plowing the freeways, that would be stupid. Counties already plow all county roads, MNDot only does state highways and freeways.
 

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Building the roads. Plowing seems like it gets done pretty well, I don't want Counties plowing the freeways, that would be stupid. Counties already plow all county roads, MNDot only does state highways and freeways.
Counties plow the freeways in Wisconsin. Let them take care of their county.
 

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Counties plow the freeways in Wisconsin. Let them take care of their county.
I remember living in Michigan, you drive across county line and the roads go to shit. No thanks.
 

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Jake - I respect your views and think you are doing the right thing to reform your community. Is there a point where you say enough is enough and move on? Or are you in it until the bitter end even if the City Council keeps on going with the defund the police rhetoric?
Apologies for the delay. Work has been a bear and this deserved a thoughtful answer, not a drive by.

The entire Minneapolis City Council stands for election next November. For reasons, this is for a two year term, followed by another two year term election in 2023, followed by an election for a 4 year term in 2025. Mayoral elections take place in 2021 and 2025. Notably, Lisa "Defund" Bender has opted not to stand for election next year.

All this said, I see a great opportunity to flip the city council to less idealistic, PC/equity blinded, more pragmatic actors in the next 4 years. They are all under scrutiny and will face challengers next year. Whoever is elected will need to "produce" or stand challenged election again in two years and in another two years after that. Good chances all around to flip the council to be more productive and pragmatic. We know they will be left-leaning, but people are tired of crime, homeless people living in parks and other nonsense.

I have lived in Minneapolis for a very long time and won't give up easily, to more directly answer your question. I am a fighter and believe in my neighbors and community. I love the natural resources of the city, the vitality, the diversity, the access to things I am interested in and my modest home in a fantastic location - I can walk to almost anything you need - very close by. If I have to lock my doors to wait out this BS, but come out on the other side with what I have had for the previous couple dozen years, I will happily be part of the solution. It's why I put my kids in public school and why I engage in the community, Section2's asininities notwithstanding. I am left leaning, so have a lot in common with the general tenor of the engaged citizens. But I am not at all afraid to voice my opinion when I disagree. That is what builds a strong city. Not running for the suburbs (where I grew up). I honestly can't imagine being surrounded by the likes of ShillGA and FacePlantRG, waving Trump flags and fencing in their yards to keep the outside world out.

Also, I do think some of this will be sorted out if we can get out from under the pandemic and get downtown and schools open for business.

Thanks for the question.
 
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Apologies for the delay. Work has been a bear and this deserved a thoughtful answer, not a drive by.

The entire Minneapolis City Council stands for election next November. For reasons, this is for a two year term, followed by another two year term election in 2023, followed by an election for a 4 year term in 2025. Mayoral elections take place in 2021 and 2025. Notably, Lisa "Defund" Bender has opted not to stand for election next year.

All this said, I see a great opportunity to flip the city council to less idealistic, PC/equity blinded, more pragmatic actors in the next 4 years. They are all under scrutiny and will face challengers next year. Whoever is elected will need to "produce" or stand challenged election again in two years and in another two years after that. Good chances all around to flip the council to be more productive and pragmatic. We know they will be left-leaning, but people are tired of crime, homeless people living in parks and other nonsense.

I have lived in Minneapolis for a very long time and won't give up easily, to more directly answer your question. I am a fighter and believe in my neighbors and community. I love the natural resources of the city, the vitality, the diversity, the access to things I am interested in and my modest home in a fantastic location - I can walk to almost anything you need - very close by. If I have to lock my doors to wait out this BS, but come out on the other side with what I have had for the previous couple dozen years, I will happily be part of the solution. It's why I put my kids in public school and why I engage in the community, Section2's asininities notwithstanding. I am left leaning, so have a lot in common with the general tenor of the engaged citizens. But I am not at all afraid to voice my opinion when I disagree. That is what builds a strong city. Not running for the suburbs (where I grew up). I honestly can't imagine being surrounded by the likes of ShillGA and FacePlantRG, waving Trump flags and fencing in their yards to keep the outside world out.

Also, I do think some of this will be sorted out if we can get out from under the pandemic and get downtown and schools open for business.

Thanks for the question.
Good stuff. I am glad you can be reasonable and realistic. Many here cannot. I have mentioned this many times, but I have lived in Mpls most of my life. I grew up in NE Mpls and moved to a first ring suburb during my teen years. I have lived Downtown, Uptown, NE, and now North Mpls in my adult years. Mpls has been one of the very best cities in the country that whole time for many of the reasons brought up here in the past. This is by far the worst situation Mpls has seen itself in (not counting Covid). It isn't just crime that is out of control. The leaders have allowed the city to now become an "iffy" place to live. Leaders that like to jump before they think has consequences and we are seeing those consequences daily. I hope the voters do the right thing and get all of the council members out of here and find some people who think reasonably and realistically.
 
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