How is any of this corruption and cronyism OK?

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The corruption and cronyism across this administration, the corporate donors, RW media, and the Republican lackeys in Congress and beyond is astounding. Our government was designed with checks and balances to stop this kind of stuff, and now that the administration has broken those checks and balances and continues to remove ever more of them, there is little stopping this garbage other than the will of the American people itself. What will it take for you Trumpists to say enough is enough, or are you willing to watch our entire system of federal governance - so long held as model of virtue across the world - fold in upon itself and convert to autocracy?

When will you begin to condemn the corruption and cronyism so rampant in this administration?

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Well, it's certainly not OK. On the bright side, it's exposed the flaws in the system that are allowing it to go on and on with impunity. Once we clear this criminal cabal out of here, there's going to have to be a conversation about how this can be made to not happen again.

I've brought it up before: at least at the time we visited Russia in 2000, about 40% of their economy went through the Russian Mafia. People do not have any conception how pervasive organized crime is in that country, including the government. It's inseparable. It's the power behind the power. That can happen anywhere, and it's evident now here to an increasing degree. Trump has been involved with the Russian mafia since at least the 1980s. We can't let this country become perpetually as lawless as we're now seeing with this administration.
 

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now that the administration has broken those checks and balances
Huh? Congress and SCOTUS no longer exist? Congress hasn't been investigating this president since the day he took office? They didn't impeach him and hold a special counsel? No checks and balances?
Or is this just more TDS tantrums because the above were unsuccessful? Maybe the real corruption in DC isn't the president and his admin. Maybe its the entire system.

CNN lost all credibility, so maybe you should take those amazing logic and reason skills and employ a little skepticism of your own propaganda. How many times do they have to be wrong before you stop blindly believing them?
 

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Well, it's certainly not OK. On the bright side, it's exposed the flaws in the system that are allowing it to go on and on with impunity. Once we clear this criminal cabal out of here, there's going to have to be a conversation about how this can be made to not happen again.

I've brought it up before: at least at the time we visited Russia in 2000, about 40% of their economy went through the Russian Mafia. People do not have any conception how pervasive organized crime is in that country, including the government. It's inseparable. It's the power behind the power. That can happen anywhere, and it's evident now here to an increasing degree. Trump has been involved with the Russian mafia since at least the 1980s. We can't let this country become perpetually as lawless as we're now seeing with this administration.
About 50%(roughly?) of our economy goes thru the federal government, so your mafia analogy is actually pretty on point. But hey, let's give the mafia more power and money and run even more of the economy thru them, surely that will solve our problems.
 

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About 50%(roughly?) of our economy goes thru the federal government, so your mafia analogy is actually pretty on point. But hey, let's give the mafia more power and money and run even more of the economy thru them, surely that will solve our problems.
Are you trying to suggest that the Trump administration is decreasing the amount of economy going through the federal government? Claiming to be against the intertwining of government and business and then full-throatedly supporting what is easily the most corrupt administration in American history seems awfully hypocritical.

If you want to argue that, as of 2016, the economy ran far too strongly through the federal government and that we should decrease that, I'm with you. If you want to argue that the Trump administration is not a huge part of and is solving that problem, I laugh at you.
 

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Are you trying to suggest that the Trump administration is decreasing the amount of economy going through the federal government? Claiming to be against the intertwining of government and business and then full-throatedly supporting what is easily the most corrupt administration in American history seems awfully hypocritical.

If you want to argue that, as of 2016, the economy ran far too strongly through the federal government and that we should decrease that, I'm with you. If you want to argue that the Trump administration is not a huge part of and is solving that problem, I laugh at you.
Not enough for my tastes, but yes, they are rolling back regs and federal control. You say it's the most corrupt, I say it's the most investigated by FAR, and the examples we have are peanuts.

Are you really with me? Who did you vote for in 2016 and what were their plans (both president, and senators, house, etc) in terms of federal control? I would be shocked if your ballot wasn't big government expansion across the board.
 

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The Clinton Foundation. Given a total pass by cnc.
The Obama book deal with Penguin Random House-65 million dollar advance (no way they can make that back on the Obama books) becaue Random House was getting government deals..
Ukraine- the Bidens
Diane Feinstein- huge corruption
Nancy Pelosi- ditto
 

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The corruption and cronyism across this administration, the corporate donors, RW media, and the Republican lackeys in Congress and beyond is astounding. Our government was designed with checks and balances to stop this kind of stuff, and now that the administration has broken those checks and balances and continues to remove ever more of them, there is little stopping this garbage other than the will of the American people itself. What will it take for you Trumpists to say enough is enough, or are you willing to watch our entire system of federal governance - so long held as model of virtue across the world - fold in upon itself and convert to autocracy?

When will you begin to condemn the corruption and cronyism so rampant in this administration?

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Please tell me about anything corrupt or illegal that you are referencing. Making decisions that you don’t like are not corrupt or illegal. If Trump did anything illegal, he would be impeached (again) in a second. What has he done that is remotely illegal or corrupt? I certainly can’t name anything.

Running surveillance on US citizens is corrupt. Using government agencies against political opponents, corrupt. Falsifying FISA warrants, illegal. Pushing false narratives against political opponents, using the media, despicable and corrupt. Lying to gov officials under oath, illegal.

Help me with anything specific? Driving your political agenda by itself is not corrupt or illegal.
 

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Please tell me about anything corrupt or illegal that you are referencing. Making decisions that you don’t like are not corrupt or illegal. If Trump did anything illegal, he would be impeached (again) in a second. What has he done that is remotely illegal or corrupt? I certainly can’t name anything.

Running surveillance on US citizens is corrupt. Using government agencies against political opponents, corrupt. Falsifying FISA warrants, illegal. Pushing false narratives against political opponents, using the media, despicable and corrupt. Lying to gov officials under oath, illegal.

Help me with anything specific? Driving your political agenda by itself is not corrupt or illegal.
oh dear lord.

See post #13.
 
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That list is like whining to your parents that your brother got to use the gaming system first. That’s nothing . . . Is political opinions, not corruption, not illegal, not remotely worth anyone’s time to read that garbage. What are you going to post next, the CNN “Lie Tracker”? Oooooooooo, weighty stuff Right there!
 

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That list is like whining to your parents that your brother got to use the gaming system first. That’s nothing . . . Is political opinions, not corruption, not illegal, not remotely worth anyone’s time to read that garbage. What are you going to post next, the CNN “Lie Tracker”? Oooooooooo, weighty stuff Right there!
Yeah, I posted that 13 minutes ago, and the site has several days' worth of reading regarding corruption by the Trump administration. You responded with the total garbage above a mere 11 minutes after I posted the link. You get an F for effort.
 
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None of this is OK. But the 43% sold their souls for judges, tax cuts and to retain power.
Most of that 43% doesn't really know what they are supporting, and isn't paying attention to anything going on around them. They just like to watch the WWE match that Trump plays against the rest of the world. Their world is pretty much like this:

 

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Yeah, I posted that 13 minutes ago, and the site has several days' worth of reading regarding corruption by the Trump administration. You responded with the total garbage above a mere 11 minutes after I posted the link. You get an F for effort.
Covid Tests, stay at home orders, access to relief funds, travel bans . . . Differences of political opinion. I read the garbage, it doesn’t remotely approach anything illegal or corrupt, just someone grinding an axe over political opinions.

You realize, I hope, that anything this president does is rained down on by 95% of the media. While there is no media scrutiny, no media check and balance on the previous administration. After years of the media crying wolf Vs Trump, the stuff like you posted is comical.
 
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That list is like whining to your parents that your brother got to use the gaming system first. That’s nothing . . . Is political opinions, not corruption, not illegal, not remotely worth anyone’s time to read that garbage. What are you going to post next, the CNN “Lie Tracker”? Oooooooooo, weighty stuff Right there!
It's not just his lies. Every previous President has divested their business interests. They have released their taxes. They haven't hired family and cronies into positions of power, at least not at nearly this rate. Trump has done all of the above. He profits of the Presidency in many ways. As does his families and his donors. You don't care. Just say that instead of defecing the obvious.
 

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43% voted to prolong their inevitable demise.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again for truth: tomorrow’s “right” are today’s centrist Dems/Reps, and tomorrow’s “left” are today’s democratic socialists.

Today’s hard right will be to tomorrow as today views Nazi’s and slave owners.
 

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”oh dear lord” means that I’m so superior to you that I can’t begin to challenge your need for evidence.

Odd definition, but it’s cnnman’s.
Evidence was supplied in the referenced post #13 (not that one should need to provide evidence in the days of Google and, well, news). You and Herd are neck in neck for the Today's Stupidest Poster Award. Stay tuned!
 
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Covid Tests, stay at home orders, access to relief funds, travel bans . . . Differences of political opinion. I read the garbage, it doesn’t remotely approach anything illegal or corrupt, just someone grinding an axe over political opinions.
What you read was a summary of the changes since the last update. There are 3+ years of corruption covered for you on that site. And I like how you just dismiss the corruption you actually briefed yourself about with a eh, corruption, so what. Try harder.
 

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It's not just his lies. Every previous President has divested their business interests. They have released their taxes. They haven't hired family and cronies into positions of power, at least not at nearly this rate. Trump has done all of the above. He profits of the Presidency in many ways. As does his families and his donors. You don't care. Just say that instead of defecing the obvious.
Only an idiot would divest all of their business interests when they are worth billions. Do you really think Mike Bloomberg would‘ve done that?

He’s not running his business, his sons are.

Some of Trump’s appointees have sacrificed their huge incomes to serve with Trump b/c they want to help their country.
 

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Resistance to stay-at-home orders:
Not Corruption or a conflict of interest
Scope of travel ban
Not corruption or conflict of interest
Promotion of particular COVID-19 tests and treatments.
laughable

I couldn't get any further. These are minor or laughable examples.

I just can't understand why people are so blind to the massive corruption that infects every aspect of government, from federal down to local, and then point at Trump promoting chloroquine and think: That must be because he has a minor interest in Sanofi!! It's a low cost drug. Do you REALLY think he's promoting it because it will make him money? It's the most ludicrous thing I've ever read.
 

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You f*#&ing dimwit, evidence was supplied in the referenced post #13 (not that one should need to provide evidence in the days of Google and, well, news). You and Herd are neck in neck for the Today's Stupidest Poster Award. Stay tuned!
Howie says that swearing is a sure sign that you’ve lost the argument. Tut tut.

Right howie?
 

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Resistance to stay-at-home orders:
Not Corruption or a conflict of interest
Scope of travel ban
Not corruption or conflict of interest
Promotion of particular COVID-19 tests and treatments.
laughable

I couldn't get any further. These are minor or laughable examples.

I just can't understand why people are so blind to the massive corruption that infects every aspect of government, from federal down to local, and then point at Trump promoting chloroquine and think: That must be because he has a minor interest in Sanofi!! It's a low cost drug. Do you REALLY think he's promoting it because it will make him money? It's the most ludicrous thing I've ever read.
Sincerely, you're treating these items awfully superficially. Dig deeper. For example, do you think it's OK if Trump cuts off oversight of how the $2T stimulus passed by Congress and signed by him is used? Do you think it's OK if the Trump administration is directing massive amounts of those funds into the hands of cronies and Republican donors? Do you think it's OK if Trump withholds a fair share of federal funds from entities that did not support his 2016 election? Do you think it's OK if the Trump administration cans/removes all persons in the federal government who are investigating their wrongdoings, and replaces those persons with cronies? Do you think it's OK to pardon a criminal just because they are a political supporter? And these examples just scratch the surface of a mountain of massive corruption, far too long to list here (but see the link in #13 for a monthly list).

What part of any of that is "OK" or "not corruption" or "not a conflict of interest" or "laughable"?
 

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Sincerely, you're treating these items awfully superficially. Dig deeper. For example, do you think it's OK if Trump cuts off oversight of how the $2T stimulus passed by Congress and signed by him is used?
How can he do that? No I don't think it's ok. Has he done that? How much control did the Obama have over the 2009 Stimulus? I'd want to compare and contrast. Happy to have this discussion.


Do you think it's OK if the Trump administration cans/removes all persons in the federal government who are investigating their wrongdoings, and replaces those persons with cronies? Do you think it's OK to pardon a criminal just because they are a political supporter?
Trump controls the executive branch, not the entire federal government. So your question is ignorant. Are you talking about the AG, Justice, etc? If you're complaining about his choices there, but said nothing about Holder, I'd say you are a gigantic hypocrite.
I'm not sure what your last one is related to. Mark Rich? Ok? No, not ok. Blagoyovich was not a political supporter, he was a Democrat. I'm actually very pleased with most of Trump's pardons and in particular his work on criminal justice reform. It's unbelievable that Obama didn't do it first.
 

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”oh dear lord” means that I’m so superior to you that I can’t begin to challenge your need for evidence.

Odd definition, but it’s cnnman’s.
Yes, he and I are similar in that we both have convictions. The difference is his level of arrogance, And that anyone dare to challenge him.
 
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