Hey! Look at who is back in the transfer portal and who else just entered it

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Is everybody convinced that the NCAA's certain to let all transfers play without sitting out a year? I'm not.
I am for the most part. There may be a few exceptions for a variety of reasons, but I’d guess at least 95% play right away. I think there will have to be a valid reason to make anyone sit out a year vs in the past it has been there has to be valid reason to not sit out a year.
 

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They still haven't changed the rule, and I doubt another one-time blanket waiver is coming. I wonder if the coaches are looking at the portal and reacting like many fans, thinking "man, this is going to end up being a cluster." Plus, the proposed rule change would only allow immediate eligibility to first time transfers. Robbins, Carr and many of the names in the portal couldn'tplay without sitting after a second transfer.
 

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Is everybody convinced that the NCAA's certain to let all transfers play without sitting out a year? I'm not.
I hope they only allow non-grad transfers to avoid sitting out if they've never transferred between 4-year schools before.

Otherwise, hope they force a sit out.
 

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Plus, the proposed rule change would only allow immediate eligibility to first time transfers. Robbins, Carr and many of the names in the portal couldn'tplay without sitting after a second transfer.

The NCAA can do anything it wants. They're not like judges who are generally bound to follow precedents. If they enact the one-time pass rule, they could make that rule effective for transfers after this season. Then, they could give a blanket waiver for anyone transferring this year.

The alternatives are giving a blanket denial to all of those who don't fit that situation who are in the transfer portal now (many who will have accepted offers with destination schools already) and forcing them to sit out or go back with their old teams (who may not have the spaces for them) OR looking at every situation on a case-by-case basis.

I know which option I would prefer if I were on the committee: giving the blanket waiver. That's the least controversial (and time consuming) one at this point.
 
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They still haven't changed the rule, and I doubt another one-time blanket waiver is coming. I wonder if the coaches are looking at the portal and reacting like many fans, thinking "man, this is going to end up being a cluster." Plus, the proposed rule change would only allow immediate eligibility to first time transfers. Robbins, Carr and many of the names in the portal couldn'tplay without sitting after a second transfer.
Could be. Part of it for me is that there are just so many players in the portal that it seems like they are expecting to be immediately eligible. Carr has been in college for 4 years so it’s possible he would be a grad transfer, but I don’t know his status for sure. I don’t think there is any way Carr would sit out another year over going pro even if it meant going overseas.

It’s really going to depend on the wording of the rule as far as guys who have transferred before. In Carr’s case he already had to sit out a year for transferring so I think he would have an argument for getting to use a one-time free transfer because his first one wasn’t free. Liam could be murkier because he did technically get a free transfer, but I also doubt he would transfer again if it meant he had to sit out a year. Also since he got a waiver I’m not sure how that would come into play.
 

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It’s really going to depend on the wording of the rule as far as guys who have transferred before.

Whatever rule they pass doesn't have to be applied retroactively to this off-season. It can apply to next season and beyond.
 

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If they enact the one-time pass rule, they could make that rule effective for transfers after this season. Then, they could give a blanket waiver for anyone transferring this year.
This is a very plausible scenario. Particularly because it satisfies exactly the thing that the NCAA wants: it doesn't want to waste time going through stacks and stacks of waiver requests, anymore. That was part of the original reason for wanting to change the rule in basketball to be like all the other sports (except football).
 

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Rutgers big man Myles Johnson off to UCLA. Rutgers could really be hurting next year with Geo Baker and Ron Harper jr in the draft as of now.

Ohio State Duane Washington jr enters his name into the nba draft, could come back though.
 

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RJ strongly hinting that a Sutherlin commit is coming shortly.

New Hampshire? I have to say this one wasn't on my radar.

OK, well, he's a local boy. He played in JR College prior to NH. He wasn't a great shooter at NH but he certainly was a stat stuffer. 10 double doubles. 74 assists in 28 games. Not a great free throw shooter but he had 122 free throw attempts in 28 games. He's also quite an iron man: played 35 or more minutes 18 games including 5 games of 40 or more minutes.
 

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Wonder if he got tipped off by Mbakwe?
Holy crap, he had games with 20, 17, and 14 rebounds. I have never in my life seen those kinds of numbers from a 6'5" guard. What is going on?
 

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Holy crap, he had games with 20, 17, and 14 rebounds. I have never in my life seen those kinds of numbers from a 6'5" guard. What is going on?
The America East but still, that doesn't happen by accident. A lot of rebounding is anticipation and willing to outwork who you're guarding (or who is guarding you). Both positive attributes.
 

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The America East but still, that doesn't happen by accident. A lot of rebounding is anticipation and willing to outwork who you're guarding (or who is guarding you). Both positive attributes.
J’son Stamper (i know—not a guard) was listed at 6’6”. I stood next to him and he was pushing 6-4”.....rebounding is attitude.
 

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Didn't watch Joel Ayayi this year?
In the tournament, yes. He had 2, 6, 6, 8, 8, 9 rebounds in their games. Looks like he had a 18 rebound game against Iowa.

I mean 20 rebounds for a guard is just insane.
 

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The America East but still, that doesn't happen by accident. A lot of rebounding is anticipation and willing to outwork who you're guarding (or who is guarding you). Both positive attributes.
For sure! Rebounding was by far my best attribute as a player, and when I coach I teach the kids that rebounding is largely understanding positioning and effort on box outs. Still super impressed with his level of rebounding.
 

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Holy crap, he had games with 20, 17, and 14 rebounds. I have never in my life seen those kinds of numbers from a 6'5" guard. What is going on?

There was a similar player (same height) a few years ago who also played his first two season at a Juco but finished at New Mexico State: Jemerrio Jones. He was in the junior college championship tournament as a freshman and I watched him there mainly because I wanted to watch Chris Boucher. Supposedly Pitino was in attendance and I was hoping he would recruit him. He ended up leading the WAC in rebounds both years he was there.

Sutherlin didn't play this season. He was injured early in the year and opted to transfer. Those numbers are from the 19-20 season.
 

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Holy crap, he had games with 20, 17, and 14 rebounds. I have never in my life seen those kinds of numbers from a 6'5" guard. What is going on?
Evidently led the conference in rebounding the 19-20 year by nearly 2 a game. Next closest was 7.4
 

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Your daily (well two days in a row) interesting names to enter the portal:

Broc Finstuen, U. of Pacific, Shooting Guard. Originally from Pine Island, MN, made it to Pacific via Juco route. Had a very solid senior year-11 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 50% overall, 33% 3pt. Held his own against Gonzaga in their two games, finished season strong in WCC, finishing in double figures in final seven regular season games.

Garrison Brooks, UNC, Power Forward. Sure to have many suitors. Grad transfer whose numbers were 16 and 8 during junior season, 10 and 7 during senior year. Was voted preseason ACC Player of the Year before the season.

Jalen Coleman-Lands, Iowa State. Perhaps a Kalscheur for Coleman-Lands trade for the programs? Was a Cyclone for 5 years (looks like he had an injury RS year) and tallied 14 ppg and 4 rpg, while shooting 44% overall, 40% from three last season.

Corey Walker Jr., Tennessee. In contrast to the others on this list, Walker's a freshman who came in highly touted, but was injured and wasn't able to crack the rotation last season. Was a top 100 recruit, 6'8" forward from Florida, would imagine he'll stay in the south and have plenty of suitors.

EJ Anosike, Tennessee. Unlike Walker, Anosike is a Volunteer headed out for one last season of college ball. Was a transfer from the prior season, when at Sacred Heart he averaged 16 and 12, but he didn't have much of an impact in Knoxville, getting buried behind others on the bench.
 
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What are the odd besides hold-overs from last year and currently signed recruits that the rest of the team is just all low to mid major players?
 

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Your daily (well two days in a row) interesting names to enter the portal:

Broc Finstuen, U. of Pacific, Shooting Guard. Originally from Pine Island, MN, made it to Pacific via Juco route. Had a very solid senior year-11 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 50% overall, 33% 3pt. Held his own against Gonzaga in their two games, finished season strong in WCC, finishing in double figures in final seven regular season games.

Garrison Brooks, UNC, Power Forward. Sure to have many suitors. Grad transfer whose numbers were 16 and 8 during junior season, 10 and 7 during senior year. Was voted preseason ACC Player of the Year before the season.

Jalen Coleman-Lands, Iowa State. Perhaps a Kalscheur for Coleman-Lands trade for the programs? Was a Cyclone for 5 years (looks like he had an injury RS year) and tallied 14 ppg and 4 rpg, while shooting 44% overall, 40% from three last season.

Corey Walker Jr., Tennessee. In contrast to the others on this list, Walker's a freshman who came in highly touted, but was injured and wasn't able to crack the rotation last season. Was a top 100 recruit, 6'8" forward from Florida, would imagine he'll stay in the south and have plenty of suitors.

This would be Coleman-Lands' 7th year in college. I think he should move on.

Finstuen is an interesting case. Like Sutherlin, he played his first two years at a Wyoming juco. I looked up an article about him from when he was being recruited by Pacific. The recruiting coach asked the juco coach who is the one player on the team you simply couldn't do without and the coach identified Finstuen as that player. In addition to his numbers the juco coach said he did all of the little things.

Finstuen has been a more efficient player than Sutherlin in D1 but played for a better program. Sutherlin appeared to be an iron man for hapless New Hampshire and probably had to do so much of everything that his efficiency suffered.
 

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What are the odd besides hold-overs from last year and currently signed recruits that the rest of the team is just all low to mid major players?
It would be interesting to find out if you have a bunch of experienced mid/low major guys who were among the better players in those conferences....would you have a decent high major team. I'd guess not but it appears that's what we are going to be looking at.
 

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It would be interesting to find out if you have a bunch of experienced mid/low major guys who were among the better players in those conferences....would you have a decent high major team. I'd guess not but it appears that's what we are going to be looking at.
Makes one think of the classic, "old guys at the rec league who look physically overmatched, but end up taking apart the opposition with their fundamentals" type of team that we might see next year. (that's an optimistic take on what it may look like)
 

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Makes one think of the classic, "old guys at the rec league who look physically overmatched, but end up taking apart the opposition with their fundamentals" type of team that we might see next year. (that's an optimistic take on what it may look like)
Didn’t NC State win a National Championship like that.... against one of the better teams I can think of. So, there’s hope.
 

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It would be interesting to find out if you have a bunch of experienced mid/low major guys who were among the better players in those conferences....would you have a decent high major team. I'd guess not but it appears that's what we are going to be looking at.

I did an early analysis of players entering and committing in the portal and posted it here a short time back. There were significantly more mid-major players joining power 6 teams than power 6 players joining other power 6 teams at that point so what we are doing is typical. This offseason could be a great sorting experiment.

I've watched the transfer portal pretty closely over the last few years but never as closely as this year. This offseason gives a very good look at how many highly ranked players don't show that much while lots of unranked, under-the-radar players grow in estimation.
 

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I did an early analysis of players entering and committing in the portal and posted it here a short time back. There were significantly more mid-major players joining power 6 teams than power 6 players joining other power 6 teams at that point so what we are doing is typical. This offseason could be a great sorting experiment.

I've watched the transfer portal pretty closely over the last few years but never as closely as this year. This offseason gives a very good look at how many highly ranked players don't show that much while lots of unranked, under-the-radar players grow in estimation.
We'll never know and there's no way to prove it, but I think the classic example of that, at least this year is Jarvis Omersa vs. Parker Fox. Reverse their roles coming out of high school, might Omersa be the guy mulling over several offers having dominated at D-II vs. seemingly an afterthought on the transfer market (I could be wrong about that, but I've seen little noise re: Omersa and his next destination).

Seems like you could extend this out to so much of what happens in life for people between the ages of 16-25--experience some success, gain in confidence and maturity and you are able to work your up that ladder. Start at a higher rung and struggle, lose confidence and gain self-doubt and it's tough to break the idea that you're a disappointment.
 
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