Have u seen the rules for the season???

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“The league said any player who tested positive would be barred from games for at least 21 days and said that a team would stop practice and competition for at least a week if it recorded a positivity rate of more than 5 percent over a rolling seven-day period.”

I would think teams would have to hide positive tests for any kind of actual season to take place. These rules seem to make it extremely difficult, particularly after hearing about Texas Tech and LSU. Or am I wrong? Haven’t been following much regarding the teams that have started, other than most of them aren’t reporting their positives? Also thought they should of put the start date a week earlier.
 

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Wow...does seem difficult. You could have a player give it to someone in a small group setting such as 3 others and you're doomed. So does that means also that you would have to forfeit if unable to play?
 

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“The league said any player who tested positive would be barred from games for at least 21 days and said that a team would stop practice and competition for at least a week if it recorded a positivity rate of more than 5 percent over a rolling seven-day period.”

I would think teams would have to hide positive tests for any kind of actual season to take place. These rules seem to make it extremely difficult, particularly after hearing about Texas Tech and LSU. Or am I wrong? Haven’t been following much regarding the teams that have started, other than most of them aren’t reporting their positives? Also thought they should of put the start date a week earlier.
It is entirely possible and will work. The players in the B1G know what it feels like to not be able to play and that it is a fragile balance that has to be kept. It is a matter of discipline and commitment, just as some schools have problems with conduct, grades, penalties, etc. Schools like TT and LSU are not held to the same standards noe have the same level of commitment. They have the attitude that it is good to get it so you are immune.
 

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The rule is too tight. What’s the point of starting? Teams are either going to lie or forfeit. Groups of these guys live together. 5% of 100 guys is 5...you still would have 95 guys available to play!
One food service worker, one hot girl, one trip to McDonald’s, one pizza delivery guy , coaches wife gives it to him etc etc....so many ways to innocently derail the whole thing.
 

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It certainly has the appearance to me as though it is set up to fail. This way the presidents can say they were willing to play but it just wasn’t possible. It reeks of a political chess move.
 

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The rule is too tight. What’s the point of starting? Teams are either going to lie or forfeit. Groups of these guys live together. 5% of 100 guys is 5...you still would have 95 guys available to play!
One food service worker, one hot girl, one trip to McDonald’s, one pizza delivery guy , coaches wife gives it to him etc etc....so many ways to innocently derail the whole thing.
Other option is to cancel. Maybe they should cancel the season
 

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It seems like the point is that the rules are strict to prevent athletes from getting the virus.

Most players are very low risk. If they get infected, odds are they either won't even know or it will be like a cold. If the only downside to getting sick was their own personal health, many players wouldn't see that as a big deal and wouldn't be careful because the odds of getting very sick are so slim.

With the strict rules, there are huge downsides to getting sick. Coaches will be forced to take a more active role in monitoring their players and ensuring they are taking necessary precautions because if they let them do what they want, they're probably going to hit that 5% threshold. It's harsh but that will make players take it seriously.

I'm not a fan of the "population positivity rates" though. It's not clear what the population is but I assume it will either be city or state. That's pretty flawed because it's highly dependent on who gets tests and how the state counts them. 7.5% isn't a lot if you're only testing people who are showing symptoms. States where mainly sick people are getting tests will have higher numbers and states that are encouraging everyone to get tested just to see will have no issues staying below the 7.5%. Testing data is also recorded at the state level so there's motivation to fudge the numbers to stay below 7.5%.
 

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The health of the players is the most important goal of the university administrations.
Contact testing and quarantine are the only ways to stop the spread throughout a roster.
The 5% positive race I believe the team is the group including coaches etc.that will be used to measure the 5%.
 

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Other option is to cancel. Maybe they should cancel the season
“Other option is to cancel.” Yup, only about 100 other options flood my mind in seconds versus your one.
“Maybe they should cancel the season” Not sure if that is a statement or a question but it is a different discussion.
 

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the whole point of the rapid daily testing with immediate results is to catch positive cases before they spread. If Joe Blow tests positive, you isolate him and hope he didn't spread it to anyone else.

as to the regulations:
  • Team positivity rate (number of positive tests divided by total number of tests administered):
    • Green 0-2%
    • Orange 2-5%
    • Red >5%
  • Population positivity rate (number of positive individuals divided by total population at risk):
    • Green 0-3.5%
    • Orange 3.5-7.5%
    • Red >7.5%
Decisions to alter or halt practice and competition will be based on the following scenarios:
  • Green/Green and Green/Orange: Team continues with normal practice and competition.
  • Orange/Orange and Orange/Red: Team must proceed with caution and enhance COVID-19 prevention (alter practice and meeting schedule, consider viability of continuing with scheduled competition).
  • Red/Red: Team must stop regular practice and competition for a minimum of seven days and reassess metrics until improved.
 

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“Other option is to cancel.” Yup, only about 100 other options flood my mind in seconds versus your one.
“Maybe they should cancel the season” Not sure if that is a statement or a question but it is a different discussion.
Couldn’t have a season without a vote
Couldn’t pass a vote without medical people signing on
Couldn’t have medical people sign on without their minimum standards being met
 

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Football players get tested daily while the tuition paying students are taking on line classes because there is no money for testing them and allowing them back in class.
 

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Football players get tested daily while the tuition paying students are taking on line classes because there is no money for testing them and allowing them back in class.
So true. Global pandemic concerns? Political exploitation of a disease? Nah...the bottom line is money will always conquers all.
 

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Couple relevant points in STrib articles today, to the discussions above:


https://www.startribune.com/big-ten...ht-week-season-to-begin-next-month/572428002/

Northwestern President Morton Schapiro voted in August to cancel the season, saying the medical insight five weeks ago showed there was “virtually no chance” to safely play the season.

But that changed, along with Schapiro’s vote.

“For me, it wasn’t about political pressure. It wasn’t about money. It wasn’t about lawsuits. It wasn’t about what everybody else is doing,” Schapiro said. “It was the unanimous opinion of our medical experts. … Even a week ago, I wasn’t convinced to be part of a unanimous decision to move forward. And for me, the turning point was a long conversation with our medical team.”



https://www.startribune.com/gophers...ractice-waiting-for-big-ten-update/572432822/

The Big Ten postponed fall sports Aug. 11 with major safety concerns during the pandemic, but rapid testing options reviewed over the weekend by the Big Ten spearheaded the move toward allowing the football season to begin sooner.

More advanced COVID-19 daily testing for Big Ten athletes paid for by the league will be available Sept. 30.

“The daily testing will be conducted for all of our fall sports,” Warren said. “Which we thought was imperative for the health and safety of all of our student-athletes.”
 

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I guess they couldn't get sceptic opinions because of Big Social Media censorship.
 

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Football players get tested daily while the tuition paying students are taking on line classes because there is no money for testing them and allowing them back in class.
I’m not sure how it makes sports rotten. If you don’t get it you don’t get it.

athletics is largely self funded at that level. The cost is worth the benefit.

testing every student would have astronomical cost and very little benefit because the amount of tests coming back positive would force class online anyways
 

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The rule is too tight. What’s the point of starting? Teams are either going to lie or forfeit. Groups of these guys live together. 5% of 100 guys is 5...you still would have 95 guys available to play!
One food service worker, one hot girl, one trip to McDonald’s, one pizza delivery guy , coaches wife gives it to him etc etc....so many ways to innocently derail the whole thing.
I agree. Some games will be played, but what are the odds any team gets more than 6 in?
 

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I agree. Some games will be played, but what are the odds any team gets more than 6 in?
Possible, but not inevitable. The local surges seem to run 8-12 weeks before autocorrecting/running out of low hanging fruit and that process is ongoing at each campus. If the guys stay in their bubble, buy in to the program they can keep spread down. Peer pressure can be a powerful motivator. Who wants to wreck the season for everyone else?
 

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Saban said Alabama has now gone to daily testing. I actually think B1G stance will influence others to follow.

To me, having these stricter rules could actually turn into a competitive advantage. As other have posted, the ability to immediately isolate and contact trace. Less impact on the team with positive tests. Look at some of the other recent team outbreaks.
 

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42 Wisconsin football players and staff test positive. Headline today. That means they can’t start for a week right?
 

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Possible, but not inevitable. The local surges seem to run 8-12 weeks before autocorrecting/running out of low hanging fruit and that process is ongoing at each campus. If the guys stay in their bubble, buy in to the program they can keep spread down. Peer pressure can be a powerful motivator. Who wants to wreck the season for everyone else?
The spread can be kept down, but 5 out of 100 and you're shut down for a week? As we enter Fall/Winter it feels very difficult to avoid that low bar for 10 weeks. It wouldn't be a big deal if they'd built in a couple bye weeks to re-schedule games. The BCS needs to be realistic and push back their dates. There are already multiple postponements in the Big XXII and ACC etc.
 

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The spread can be kept down, but 5 out of 100 and you're shut down for a week? As we enter Fall/Winter it feels very difficult to avoid that low bar for 10 weeks. It wouldn't be a big deal if they'd built in a couple bye weeks to re-schedule games. The BCS needs to be realistic and push back their dates. There are already multiple postponements in the Big XXII and ACC etc.
Well, we’ll see. I’m optimistic.
 

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It certainly has the appearance to me as though it is set up to fail. This way the presidents can say they were willing to play but it just wasn’t possible. It reeks of a political chess move.
Exactly right.
 

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Saban said Alabama has now gone to daily testing. I actually think B1G stance will influence others to follow.

To me, having these stricter rules could actually turn into a competitive advantage. As other have posted, the ability to immediately isolate and contact trace. Less impact on the team with positive tests. Look at some of the other recent team outbreaks.
It would have been a competitive advantage, if teams/players in the SEC/ACC actually cared about their health. But I doubt any nationally competitive team down there hasn't had at least some portion of players that tried/are trying to get themselves sick on purpose, so they don't have to deal with it down the road.

Wild guess, no proof.
 

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The spread can be kept down, but 5 out of 100 and you're shut down for a week? As we enter Fall/Winter it feels very difficult to avoid that low bar for 10 weeks. It wouldn't be a big deal if they'd built in a couple bye weeks to re-schedule games. The BCS needs to be realistic and push back their dates. There are already multiple postponements in the Big XXII and ACC etc.
No chance. The SEC, ACC, Notre Dame, and Big XII would love nothing more than to shut out the Big Ten and PAC every year from the playoff.
 

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The spread can be kept down, but 5 out of 100 and you're shut down for a week? As we enter Fall/Winter it feels very difficult to avoid that low bar for 10 weeks. It wouldn't be a big deal if they'd built in a couple bye weeks to re-schedule games. The BCS needs to be realistic and push back their dates. There are already multiple postponements in the Big XXII and ACC etc.
It'll only happen if Alabama, Clemson, Georgia or ND have to delay a significant game. Everyone else has no chance at the National Championship, so why bother?
 
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