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Yesterday none of you got burned by the Fake News, Atlantic story about Trump supposedly dissing dead soldiers.
Good call! :) Many sources, including John Bolton's book, debunk this stupid, dishonest story which is yet another leftist attempt to turn an election.
 

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Yesterday none of you got burned by the Fake News, Atlantic story about Trump supposedly dissing dead soldiers.
Good call! :) Many sources, including John Bolton's book, debunk this stupid, dishonest story which is yet another leftist attempt to turn an election.
But they have a thousand anonymous sources!!!
 

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Of course they will deny it happened that’s completely expected. Means nothing.
The trip was cancelled by weather, per the official record. This is even detailed in Bolton's book. If Trump had said this, would Bolton, who despises Trump and was on the trip, have left it out of the book? No chance.

Fake News! Desperate fake news at that. The media inventing these stories, shows you how panicked they are. Joe is losing ground. This was inevitable once people started to pay attention down the stretch. You should have put up a better candidate than Weekend at Bernie's Joe.
 

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The trip was cancelled by weather, per the official record. This is even detailed in Bolton's book. If Trump had said this, would Bolton, who despises Trump and was on the trip, have left it out of the book? No chance.

Fake News! Desperate fake news at that. The media inventing these stories, shows you how panicked they are. Joe is losing ground. This was inevitable once people started to pay attention down the stretch. You should have put up a better candidate than Weekend at Bernie's Joe.
It’s a Good story nonetheless. And so in character. ;)
 

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The trip was cancelled by weather, per the official record. This is even detailed in Bolton's book. If Trump had said this, would Bolton, who despises Trump and was on the trip, have left it out of the book? No chance.
Weak stuff.

The persons who reported on the cancellation noted the official excuse given but said that wasn't the real reason. Do you think anyone working in an official capacity, even one who disliked Trump, would have noted in the record: "Trip cancelled because the President didn't want to stand in the rain visiting a graveyard full of losers?"

As far as Bolton's reasons for not reporting this, your conclusion is absurd. Bolton didn't report these remarks because he didn't hear them and didn't have the confidences and/or relationships with those who did.
 

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Weak stuff.

The persons who reported on the cancellation noted the official excuse given but said that wasn't the real reason. Do you think anyone working in an official capacity, even one who disliked Trump, would have noted in the record: "Trip cancelled because the President didn't want to stand in the rain visiting a graveyard full of losers?"

As far as Bolton's reasons for not reporting this, your conclusion is absurd. Bolton didn't report these remarks because he didn't hear them and didn't have the confidences and/or relationships with those who did.
Feel free to continue to fall for fake story after fake story and make a fool of yourself. You seem comfortable with it.
 

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Here's the problem.

Trump denied the he called McCain a loser. We already know for a fact that Trump is lying because we have his tweets that show he called McCain a loser. That means two things:

1) Most people will believe everything being reported that Trump said about McCain is true. He's been caught in a lie, so they'll assume it's all true.

2) With Trump's denial about McCain being a lie, his overall denial is much weaker. If one part of the denial is a lie, then the whole denial can be painted that way.

Trump completely screwed up by lying about McCain. Now he can't simply waive it away because he's been partially caught. Very dumb move by Trump.

Whether it's true or not, democrats can now hit him hard with this story by framing Trump's false denial as proof that everything reported that Trump said is true.

Trump's far behind in the polls, and now he's stuck in this for a couple days without an easy escape. He can't afford dumb mistakes like this.
 

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Feel free to continue to fall for fake story after fake story and make a fool of yourself. You seem comfortable with it.
Whether these stories are true or not will eventually depend on the mind of the voter. Unlike Romney's 47% comment, there is no recorded evidence of these.

However, these reported comments are not beyond belief because they are consistent with prior documented comments and attitudes revealed by the president. Regardless of whether or not the comments are true, your reasons for why they can't be true lack merit.
 

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Here's the problem.

Trump denied the he called McCain a loser. We already know for a fact that Trump is lying because we have his tweets that show he called McCain a loser. That means two things:

1) Most people will believe everything being reported that Trumps said about McCain is true. He's been caught in a lie.

2) With Trump's denial about McCain being a lie, his overall denial is much weaker. If one part of the denial is a lie, then the whole denial can be painted that way.

Trump completely screwed up by lying about McCain in his denial. Now he can't simply waive it away because he's been partially caught. Very dumb move by Trump. Whether it's true or not, democrats can now hit him hard with this story by framing Trump's false denial as proof that Trump said what's been reported.

Trump's far behind in the polls, and now he's stuck in this for a couple days without an easy escape. He can't afford dumb mistakes like this.
Well done! Of course, he also has shown himself to be a pathological liar. At this point, only those with supreme endurance are still keeping count. So, the mistake you cite, while a critical one, is part of a well established pattern.
 

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According to the author of the The Atlantic article, the anonymous sources don’t want to reveal themselves b/c they don’t want to get mean tweets.

If they had that kind of information and they hated the president as these anonymous sources obviously do, they would be heroes of the left if they came out and confronted Trump with that kind of information. They could get paying gigs on CNN and MSNBC for doing so.

In the unlikely event that these people exist, they are cowards that are making up this story up to sway a few voters. The left and NeverTrumpers know no shame when it comes to defamation of Trump to win an election.
 

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Here's the problem.

Trump denied the he called McCain a loser. We already know for a fact that Trump is lying because we have his tweets that show he called McCain a loser. That means two things:

1) Most people will believe everything being reported that Trump said about McCain is true. He's been caught in a lie, so they'll assume it's all true.

2) With Trump's denial about McCain being a lie, his overall denial is much weaker. If one part of the denial is a lie, then the whole denial can be painted that way.

Trump completely screwed up by lying about McCain. Now he can't simply waive it away because he's been partially caught. Very dumb move by Trump.

Whether it's true or not, democrats can now hit him hard with this story by framing Trump's false denial as proof that everything reported that Trump said is true.

Trump's far behind in the polls, and now he's stuck in this for a couple days without an easy escape. He can't afford dumb mistakes like this.
He called him a “loser” for losing the presidential election. It’s in print. Trump is not denying that he called him a loser, which he was in 2008.

It’s a lefty media narrative that he called him a “loser” for being a captured hero, and you fell for it. Loser was not the disparagement that he used to describe McCain’s military record. Trump said that he was a hero b/c he was captured, in his attempt to demean his hero status.

So you’re theory is bullshit.

From NPR in 2015:

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump took an ongoing feud with Sen. John McCain to a new level today, mocking the former GOP nominee for having been a prisoner of war and calling him a "loser" for failing to win the White House in 2008...

 
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Whether these stories are true or not will eventually depend on the mind of the voter. Unlike Romney's 47% comment, there is no recorded evidence of these.

However, these reported comments are not beyond belief because they are consistent with prior documented comments and attitudes revealed by the president. Regardless of whether or not the comments are true, your reasons for why they can't be true lack merit.
They are beyond belief. Trump loves the military unlike those of you on the left. Unlike past Presidents including GW Bush who I liked, Trump has made a better effort to keep those soldiers alive and be allowed to have favorable rules of engagement.

The article is fake news and a projection of hatred by the left. Shameful. I expect more of it from the media as they get more and more desperate. Joe is sinking.
 

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He called him a “loser” for losing the presidential election. It’s in print. Trump is not denying that he called him a loser, which he was in 2008.

It’s a lefty media narrative that he called him a “loser” for being a captured hero, and you fell for it. Loser was not the disparagement that he used to describe McCain’s military record. Trump said that he was a hero b/c he was captured, in his attempt to demean his hero status.

So you’re theory is bullshit.

From NPR in 2015:

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump took an ongoing feud with Sen. John McCain to a new level today, mocking the former GOP nominee for having been a prisoner of war and calling him a "loser" for failing to win the White House in 2008...

Uh oh. KGB is angry. That's definitely confirmation that Trump stepped in it.
 

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From long ago, when Republicans were sane...
It’s not that anyone is denying that Trump was deeply disrespectful to John McCain. They hated each other. McCain was the vote that cost the Republicans the ACA ouster, and McCain did it in a very douchey way with the thumbs down. Trump insulted him for being captured and earning his hero status that way. Trump was wrong. McCain’s honor came from refusing to leave the POW camp without his fellow POWs b/c of favored status and his father’s military rank.

John McCain could be a total asshole and Democrats had no problem alleging that when he was running for president. In fact, they questioned his temperament quite harshly.

The issue is that the media and the left are trying to distort Trump’s distain for McCain as disrespect for the military and military dead.

It’s a total bullshit narrative made up for the election. It’s too bad you can’t admit that.
 

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Uh oh. KGB is angry. That's definitely confirmation that Trump stepped in it.
No. It’s total disgust for the left and the media. It’s why the left and the media are totally untrustworthy.

There’s plenty to hit Trump with, so why make things up? I will question everything the media and the left say b/c of incidents like this. That undermines and disgraces our great democracy.

What it tells me is that the Democrats have absolutely no interest is uniting the country and likely never will.
 

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No. It’s total disgust for the left and the media. It’s why the left and the media are totally untrustworthy.

There’s plenty to hit Trump with, so why make things up? I will question everything the media and the left say b/c of incidents like this. That undermines and disgraces our great democracy.

What it tells me is that the Democrats have absolutely no interest is uniting the country and likely never will.
They tried Trump. He failed. They're ready to move on.
 

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It’s not that anyone is denying that Trump was deeply disrespectful to John McCain. They hated each other. McCain was the vote that cost the Republicans the ACA ouster, and McCain did it in a very douchey way with the thumbs down. Trump insulted him for being captured and earning his hero status that way. Trump was wrong. McCain’s honor came from refusing to leave the POW camp without his fellow POWs b/c of favored status and his father’s military rank.

John McCain could be a total asshole and Democrats had no problem alleging that when he was running for president. In fact, they questioned his temperament quite harshly.

The issue is that the media and the left are trying to distort Trump’s distain for McCain as disrespect for the military and military dead.

It’s a total bullshit narrative made up for the election. It’s too bad you can’t admit that.
Your timeline is completely fabricated. this quote is from 2015--when Mr. Trump was a candidate.


"I don't like losers," Trump, a Republican presidential contender for 2016, said at the Iowa Family Leadership Summit during a question-and-answer session.

Moderator Frank Luntz described McCain — a former naval pilot taken prisoner for almost six years during the Vietnam War — as a "war hero."


The real estate mogul then took a swing at McCain, whom he said he had supported in 2008.

"He's not a war hero," Trump said mockingly. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
 

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Your timeline is completely fabricated. this quote is from 2015--when Mr. Trump was a candidate.


"I don't like losers," Trump, a Republican presidential contender for 2016, said at the Iowa Family Leadership Summit during a question-and-answer session.

Moderator Frank Luntz described McCain — a former naval pilot taken prisoner for almost six years during the Vietnam War — as a "war hero."


The real estate mogul then took a swing at McCain, whom he said he had supported in 2008.

"He's not a war hero," Trump said mockingly. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
Yeah, I acknowledged all that. He didn’t call him a “loser” for his military career.
 

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Unlike past Presidents including GW Bush who I liked, Trump has made a better effort to keep those soldiers alive
This is the one area where I will give Trump credit. He campaigned as a non-interventionist and he has followed that as president. While he can be rightly condemned for his lack of action on Russian misdeeds, he has shown very little desire for foreign military entanglements anywhere.
 

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Yeah, I acknowledged all that. He didn’t call him a “loser” for his military career.
Whatever the reason, it is the additional swipe that drew the condemnation of all the other Republicans running at the time. It wasn't in secret--he was appearing at a public event, and wanted everyone to hear it.

It is because he has shown himself to be petty and mean spirited in the past, that people can believe the Atlantic article, and that Ms. Sanders denial that he could say such a thing falls flat. If he said it, it would not be at all out of character.

Galt is the most honest person on this thread. Personally, I think he probably did say it, but it isn't going to mean much. The military brass don't seem to like the President, but the rank and file and their families seem to approve that he hasn't gotten them killed for some nation building fantasy, so I don't know who the Atlantic is trying to persuade with all this. George Bush loved praising soldiers, especially all the dead ones.
 

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Whatever the reason, it is the additional swipe that drew the condemnation of all the other Republicans running at the time. It wasn't in secret--he was appearing at a public event, and wanted everyone to hear it.

It is because he has shown himself to be petty and mean spirited in the past, that people can believe the Atlantic article, and that Ms. Sanders denial that he could say such a thing falls flat. If he said it, it would not be at all out of character.

Galt is the most honest person on this thread. Personally, I think he probably did say it, but it isn't going to mean much. The military brass don't seem to like the President, but the rank and file and their families seem to approve that he hasn't gotten them killed for some nation building fantasy, so I don't know who the Atlantic is trying to persuade with all this. George Bush loved praising soldiers, especially all the dead ones.
Here is the truth. He didn't say it. The rank and file love Trump and he loves them.

Further truth: The Atlantic is owned by Laurene Powell Jobs, liberal who is a BIG Biden donor. This is election time and it looks like Joe needs help in the last 60 days to crawl across the finish line.

Even more truth: Read this article from earlier this year in VOX (yes leftist VOX) explaining how Powell and other lefties were going to scheme to boost Biden:


Everyone knows that Trump loves the soldiers and the military. This news is fake. Why would these anonymous guys not step forward with their names if it is true? They'd be heroes of the left like coup plotter Vindman.
 

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This is the one area where I will give Trump credit. He campaigned as a non-interventionist and he has followed that as president. While he can be rightly condemned for his lack of action on Russian misdeeds, he [Trump] has shown very little desire for foreign military entanglements anywhere.
Obviously the opposite of Obama/Hiden and their scorched earth foreign policy, such as destroying Libya and replacing the stable gov't with fighting warlords (which Hillary found incredibly funny), his massive expansion of Afganistan so we could destroy what was left of that country, the near extermination of the people of Yemen (which Obama called his greatest success). And we haven't even gotten to Obama/Hiden pushing the Muslim Brotherhood into power in Egypt, their direct meddling in Isreali elections to undermine their government, or his show of support for his idol Hugo Chavez leading to the socialist takeover of Venezuela.

Even the Secretary of Defense under Obama/Hiden said, Hiden has been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades.

No Peace, More War -- Vote Joe Hiden for President
 

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Your timeline is completely fabricated. this quote is from 2015--when Mr. Trump was a candidate.


"I don't like losers," Trump, a Republican presidential contender for 2016, said at the Iowa Family Leadership Summit during a question-and-answer session.

Moderator Frank Luntz described McCain — a former naval pilot taken prisoner for almost six years during the Vietnam War — as a "war hero."


The real estate mogul then took a swing at McCain, whom he said he had supported in 2008.

"He's not a war hero," Trump said mockingly. "He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."
McCain was a loser. He had three plane crashes. He was a showboat. In his political career it was always about him trying to figure out how to get in the spotlight. He did a lot of backstabbing. He was a carrier pidgeon of the dirty dossier to help Hillary in one of his last back stabbing efforts.
 

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Posting the VOX article: This is important to understand...Google, Facebook, The Atlantic, Linked In and many other left leaning media big tech outlets (Twitter, NYT, Wapo, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC) are all in to get Biden elected. Any thinking person needs to run what the media says through that filter. They are not neutral- nor are they honest.


Joe Biden has a problem. Silicon Valley billionaires think they have a solution.

Election Day is less than six months away, and Democrats are scrambling to patch the digital deficits of their presumptive nominee. And behind the scenes, Silicon Valley’s billionaire Democrats are spending tens of millions of dollars on their own sweeping plans to catch up to President Donald Trump’s lead on digital campaigning — plans that are poised to make them some of the country’s most influential people when it comes to shaping the November results.

These billionaires’ arsenals are funding everything from nerdy political science experiments to divisive partisan news sites to rivalrous attempts to overhaul the party’s beleaguered data file. They are pushing their favored, sometimes peculiar, fixes to a political ailment just like they might if on the board of a struggling startup.

This is all unfolding as the pandemic forces campaigns to pivot away from door-knocks and packed rallies and toward data mining and influencer marketing — which in many ways play to the strengths of these tech titans, making them even more influential at a time when many in the Democratic Party are uneasy with just how powerful some in tech have become.


Their investments matter all the more because of the candidate they inherited. Biden is rushing to hire more aides, create more engaging content, and build better ties with the Silicon Valley donors and talent that evaded him during the primary.

“Because the Biden campaign is the Biden campaign,” said one Democratic operative involved in these efforts, “what we are doing on the independent side matters a hell of a lot more than it would previously.”

“Because the Biden campaign is the Biden campaign, what we are doing on the independent side matters a hell of a lot more than it would previously”
What makes this all the more difficult is that Democrats have long struggled to coordinate their big-money spending like Republicans have, and that atomization has been exacerbated by the arrival of Silicon Valley money, whose hubristic entrepreneurs often prefer to do things their own way.

In Silicon Valley’s new political moment, four billionaires in particular — LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman, Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz, philanthropist Laurene Powell Jobs, and former Google CEO Eric Schmidt — have the most ambitious plans, according to Recode’s interviews with over 20 donors and operatives. The chess moves of this power set are instrumental to fulfilling Democrats’ — and much of Silicon Valley’s — four-year quest to oust Donald Trump.

And yet each of these billionaires is moving their pieces with varying levels of secrecy, and often with minimal disclosure, scrutiny, or accountability.

Inside the Democratic data war
Four years after the Democratic Party’s data was described by Hillary Clinton as “bankrupt” and “on the verge of insolvency,” tech billionaires are regrouping and pouring millions into the party’s digital infrastructure, even to the point of building competing power centers that threaten the Democratic establishment.

Republicans have invested far more steadily as of late than have Democrats in the data that powers modern campaigns. And so, a decade after a generation of tech wizards helped usher in a new era of digital campaigning that helped elevate Barack Obama to the presidency, it is Democrats who are left playing catch-up. Even if it was self-identifying progressives that created today’s digital tools, it was conservatives who mastered how to use them, and none more than Donald Trump.

“My problem is when Silicon Valley folks think that they know how to do our jobs better. I would never walk into Google or anywhere else and say, ‘Your model sucks.’”
Now, some tech leaders, particularly Hoffman and Schmidt, are racing to master a sphere that, theoretically, is firmly in their bailiwick. But this determination has fueled competing, even rivalrous approaches from multiple tech billionaires. Some Democrats are concerned that both efforts, for all their urgency, are indeed too little, too late — at least for November.

The data wars are a stand-in for the broader tensions between the party and this quartet of Silicon Valley billionaires. While Democratic megadonors on Wall Street tend to route their donations to the party, tech billionaires like to claim they are offering more than just a check — and they want to be more in control.


“My problem is when Silicon Valley folks think that they know how to do our jobs better. I would never walk into Google or anywhere else and say, ‘Your model sucks,’” Jane Kleeb, the chair of the Nebraska Democratic Party, told Recode. “I don’t second-guess them, and I’m asking them not to second-guess us.”

Kleeb and others in Democratic politics have been particularly incensed by a political startup that Hoffman has invested about $18 million, his single-biggest bet this cycle, in called Alloy. The startup is attempting to build a warehouse to store the data that various progressive groups collect on voters and use it to try to get them to the polls. As part of its data acquisition, Alloy has bought some lists of voters’ cellphone numbers, a data source that people say Hoffman’s team, like other donors, sees as key this year due to the new need for digital campaigning.

But Alloy, despite all its promises to revitalize the left’s voter file, has had an at-times frosty relationship with party officials like Kleeb, who have their own voter file that they’d prefer to improve rather than circumvent. And some of the party’s most senior digital operatives consider Alloy to be an underachievement, saying that it has produced few tangible accomplishments, no publicly announced clients, and, most importantly, squandered significant time and money as it struggled to figure out its role in Democratic politics.

“We’re already putting data into the hands of Democrats and progressives on the front lines of this critical election cycle,” said Luis Miranda, an Alloy spokesperson. “We’re proud of our work, and we’re just getting started.”

And it’s not as though all tech billionaires on the same team are backing Alloy as the singular solution. Some are funding other rival revisions to the party’s data deficit. Where Hoffman sees a product to be replaced, Schmidt — a technocrat’s technocrat — sees a product that can be tweaked, perhaps with some executive coaching.

Sources say he has sunk money into the Democratic Data Exchange, a modest, competing effort by the Democratic National Committee to encourage data sharing by state parties to improve the party’s beleaguered digital backbone. Somehow, despite the somewhat duplicative efforts, Democrats still broadly fear that they’re at a disadvantage compared to the rival efforts of the GOP, which were created a decade ago.

Schmidt, a longtime Democratic powerbroker, may be working more closely with the party than Hoffman. But he is still critical of the party’s operatives and so is doing things his own way with his own skunk-works projects.

In 2016, Schmidt effectively funded and embedded a group of technologists within the Clinton campaign. Many Silicon Valley hands, including some Biden allies, think the Schmidt effort was largely unsuccessful.
 

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Whatever the reason, it is the additional swipe that drew the condemnation of all the other Republicans running at the time. It wasn't in secret--he was appearing at a public event, and wanted everyone to hear it.

It is because he has shown himself to be petty and mean spirited in the past, that people can believe the Atlantic article, and that Ms. Sanders denial that he could say such a thing falls flat. If he said it, it would not be at all out of character.

Galt is the most honest person on this thread. Personally, I think he probably did say it, but it isn't going to mean much. The military brass don't seem to like the President, but the rank and file and their families seem to approve that he hasn't gotten them killed for some nation building fantasy, so I don't know who the Atlantic is trying to persuade with all this. George Bush loved praising soldiers, especially all the dead ones.
It wasn’t a secret, but NOW it’s a BIG controversy.

It’s manufactured. It’s distorted. It’s fake. And you fell for it. Unbelievable.

If you didn’t like Trump b/c this was your belief before, great. That’s your right and judgment.

But if THIS changes anything that you thought before, you’re a fool and a sucker.
 
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