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  • Caused you to change support for Trump (didn't vote for him in 20160

    Votes: 3 50.0%
  • Caused you to vote for Biden

    Votes: 3 50.0%

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John Galt

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No. That's incorrect it does not go away at all. That said, I am 100% for making the insurance go to the individual and getting companies out of health insurance. For companies it is an uncontrollable cost increase year over year. I hate being involved.
The idea of making insurance companies accept people with costly conditions who were previously not customers is a bad one and I would think you would agree with that. Bottom line- insurers under those circumstances will raise prices as they did, dramatically.
If people have health insurance apart from work, they will already be covered when something happens. Most people aren’t going to drop their insurance if they know they have a medical condition, hence covering someone with a pre-existing condition will rarely be needed.
 

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If people have health insurance apart from work, they will already be covered when something happens. Most people aren’t going to drop their insurance if they know they have a medical condition, hence covering someone with a pre-existing condition will rarely be needed.
So your saying the health plan you first buy right out of college will be the one your stuck with for life. Fun...
 

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I pay the premiums for all of my employees. It's one of the perks (and there are obviously too many to list) for working for a truly wonderful and inspirational person such as myself. But it's unfortunate that a perk like that ranges across the board for all of my employees, basically that some get a significant higher compensation package than others just because they are older and/or higher risk people.

It's not really fair to me and it's certainly not fair to the younger and healthier employees that they don't get nearly as much of a company benefit. For some employees, I pay $1000/month or less for their single/family coverage, for some, I pay almost $3000/month for their coverage. How f'd up is that?

I'd love to see health insurance taken out of the hands of the employer. Sign me up right now
Right on
 

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Participating in the Off-Topic Board has lowered my opinion of the human race.

That is not a joke. I'm dead serious.

This board is literally a demonstration of humanity at its worst.

I have to stay away. reading what people post on this board is making me depressed.

And this is non-partisan. the lefties are as bad as the righties - only from a different direction.

I am going to stick to the football and basketball boards.

I will continue posting the MN daily covid report, unless someone else wants to volunteer to take that over.
Enjoy your contributions, and you seem to be a good guy, but "I hate everyone" reflects more on the hater than on the hated. It sounds like a unabomber manifesto or something.
 

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I pay the premiums for all of my employees. It's one of the perks (and there are obviously too many to list) for working for a truly wonderful and inspirational person such as myself. But it's unfortunate that a perk like that ranges across the board for all of my employees, basically that some get a significant higher compensation package than others just because they are older and/or higher risk people.

It's not really fair to me and it's certainly not fair to the younger and healthier employees that they don't get nearly as much of a company benefit. For some employees, I pay $1000/month or less for their single/family coverage, for some, I pay almost $3000/month for their coverage. How f'd up is that?

I'd love to see health insurance taken out of the hands of the employer. Sign me up right now
Not to worry. The president is working to implement a better, cheaper, wonderfuller healthcare plan which covers your pre-existing condition. Maybe in a couple of weeks, but certainly any day now. He said so!
 

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If you don't take a look around at who you're associating with, you're being dishonest with yourself and intentionally unaware. Anyone voting for Trump is voting with white supremacy and the KKK.

That's what troubles me the most about modern "conservatism." They've now hitched their wagon to truly evil forces and have set a path toward authoritarian one-party minority rule because they know their ideas will be increasingly unpopular in a society that will continue to evolve socially. That's troubling on a number of levels, but for me it's this as much as anything: I personally espouse a number of politically conservative values and policy positions, but if the only way to have them represented is to vote in white supremacists, Qanoners, and science deniers, then that's a hard no for me.
I've learned that politics really does bring out the worst in us. The comment above is so ridiculous, coming from a really smart poster, presumed great family guy, functioning person in society. Just so insane to equate all Trump voters as white supremacists or KKK sympathasizers. Spoofin was right to call out BadGopher in a subsequent post questioning whether a Biden voter are then ALL Antifa supporters, supporters of the BLM violence and destruction in the streets, looting, rioting, intimidating, etc. It's exactly the same approach. Just stupid.
 

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I've learned that politics really does bring out the worst in us. The comment above is so ridiculous, coming from a really smart poster, presumed great family guy, functioning person in society. Just so insane to equate all Trump voters as white supremacists or KKK sympathasizers. Spoofin was right to call out BadGopher in a subsequent post questioning whether a Biden voter are then ALL Antifa supporters, supporters of the BLM violence and destruction in the streets, looting, rioting, intimidating, etc. It's exactly the same approach. Just stupid.
The difference, of course, is that Trump has publicly endorsed those elements and sided with them, while Biden has gone on public record that violence and destruction are not alright. Anyone trying to bothsides this or establish a false equivalence are deceiving people.
 

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The difference, of course, is that Trump has publicly endorsed those elements and sided with them, while Biden has gone on public record that violence and destruction are not alright. Anyone trying to bothsides this or establish a false equivalence are deceiving people.
Source?
 

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How about the very fine people marching with torches chanting "Jews will not replace us", according to Trump
Yeah, like "the news." Siding with Kyle the protester murderer, which I think was on "the news."

Just watched a Charles Manson trial doc on TV last night. I wasn't aware that Nixon had declared Manson guilty on the front page of the paper before the trial had even begun. Nearly led to a mistrial. As stupid then as it is now.
 

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How about the very fine people marching with torches chanting "Jews will not replace us", according to Trump
That was the most insane thing about that whole Charlottesville episode: a bunch of young white guys doing a torch chant vowing not to let 2% of the US population replace them. Obviously, Jews aren't a challenge to the numbers of any major demographic. The leaders must have said "let's have a procession with a chant to honor the memory of the Sturmabteilung" and the rank and file said "Cool!"
 

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That was the most insane thing about that whole Charlottesville episode: a bunch of young white guys doing a torch chant vowing not to let 2% of the US population replace them. Obviously, Jews aren't a challenge to the numbers of any major demographic. The leaders must have said "let's have a procession with a chant to honor the memory of the Sturmabteilung" and the rank and file said "Cool!"
The focus of the chant is on money and power, not physically replacing....
It was just like a BLM protest but it was WASP Lives Matter instead...
 

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How about the very fine people marching with torches chanting "Jews will not replace us", according to Trump
I’d like a source on Trump’s endorsement of these people as well. Thanks.
 

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I've learned that politics really does bring out the worst in us. The comment above is so ridiculous, coming from a really smart poster, presumed great family guy, functioning person in society. Just so insane to equate all Trump voters as white supremacists or KKK sympathasizers. Spoofin was right to call out BadGopher in a subsequent post questioning whether a Biden voter are then ALL Antifa supporters, supporters of the BLM violence and destruction in the streets, looting, rioting, intimidating, etc. It's exactly the same approach. Just stupid.
No one has said all Trump voters are White Supremacists. What is true is that almost all White Supremacists are Trump supporters. And they believe he is with them and he has given them his tacit and at times almost outright approval. They are on his team and so are you.

Biden has denounced the looting and violence of "Antifa" and whoever else is committing it. Trump has never done the same with the Proud/Booagoo Boys or any of the rest of them.
 

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He said it in his press conference.
Put it this way: Where are these "fine people" who were only there because they loved statues? Has anyone seen one interviewed? No. Because they don't exist. The only people on the other side of the protesters were the white nationalists.
 

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The focus of the chant is on money and power, not physically replacing....
It was just like a BLM protest but it was WASP Lives Matter instead...
OK, but Jews have been disproportionately represented among the economic, professional, and entertainment elites for a long time and aren't likely to become much more influential than they are already. You would think that WASP white supremacists would pick on some other minority group (like one or more of the various asian ethnicities) whose achievements and influence are less mature but growing. I could even understand Latinos because that demographic already is large and growing more quickly than others. Focusing on Jews seems to be more a matter of practicing "honored traditions" than a response to change.
 

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OK, but Jews have been disproportionately represented among the economic, professional, and entertainment elites for a long time and aren't likely to become much more influential than they are already. You would think that WASP white supremacists would pick on some other minority group (like one or more of the various asian ethnicities) whose achievements and influence are less mature but growing. I could even understand Latinos because that demographic already is large and growing more quickly than others. Focusing on Jews seems to be more a matter of practicing "honored traditions" than a response to change.
They pick on Jews because Jews make them feel inferior. Little man syndrome..
 

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OP: no. My goal is simply to try to get people like BGA & S2 to think liberals are slightly less evil. Not not evil of course, just slightly less.
 

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OP: no. My goal is simply to try to get people like BGA & S2 to think liberals are slightly less evil. Not not evil of course, just slightly less.
Important distinction: Liberals or Democrats? I know a lot of great Democrats, good solid people, hard working, reasonable, etc. It's the whack job liberals that are working hard on f'ng things up for everyone in the country.
 

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No one has said all Trump voters are White Supremacists. What is true is that almost all White Supremacists are Trump supporters. And they believe he is with them and he has given them his tacit and at times almost outright approval. They are on his team and so are you.

Biden has denounced the looting and violence of "Antifa" and whoever else is committing it. Trump has never done the same with the Proud/Booagoo Boys or any of the rest of them.
Yeah, whoever else it might be :rolleyes:
 

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Put it this way: Where are these "fine people" who were only there because they loved statues? Has anyone seen one interviewed? No. Because they don't exist. The only people on the other side of the protesters were the white nationalists.
More apologizing for violence. Still defending Portland Howie?
 

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Biden has denounced the looting and violence of "Antifa" and whoever else is committing it. Trump has never done the same with the Proud/Booagoo Boys or any of the rest of them.
Biden has not specifically called out “Antifa” just the same as Trump has not specifically called out “Proud/Boogaloo Boys”.

They both have condemned violence in broad terms. Difference between Trump and Biden is Biden was 90 days too late in condemning any violence.
 
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You honestly don't think the violence is a large amount of low-life randoms that just like to tear shit up when given the opportunity?
Honestly, I have said from the beginning (when many on here were denying that Antifa existed) that it was some from the left, some from the right, and a whole bunch of idiots that want to destroy and get free stuff.

Howie was one of those that said Antifa didn't exist. Played the WS card hard for weeks. TBH, when I read his post I thought it said Antifa "or" whoever else - not "and" whoever else. Oh-well.
 

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Honestly, I have said from the beginning (when many on here were denying that Antifa existed) that it was some from the left, some from the right, and a whole bunch of idiots that want to destroy and get free stuff.

Howie was one of those that said Antifa didn't exist. Played the WS card hard for weeks. TBH, when I read his post I thought it said Antifa "or" whoever else - not "and" whoever else. Oh-well.
Plus 5 million for honesty. A rarity here.
 

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Honestly, I have said from the beginning (when many on here were denying that Antifa existed) that it was some from the left, some from the right, and a whole bunch of idiots that want to destroy and get free stuff.

Howie was one of those that said Antifa didn't exist. Played the WS card hard for weeks. TBH, when I read his post I thought it said Antifa "or" whoever else - not "and" whoever else. Oh-well.
I don't believe I said they "don't exist". I believe their presence/influence is massively exaggerated though. Many of the people looting have no political ideology. They just want free stuff and to break $%^ as you said.
 

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If you don't take a look around at who you're associating with, you're being dishonest with yourself and intentionally unaware. Anyone voting for Trump is voting with white supremacy and the KKK.

That's what troubles me the most about modern "conservatism." They've now hitched their wagon to truly evil forces and have set a path toward authoritarian one-party minority rule because they know their ideas will be increasingly unpopular in a society that will continue to evolve socially. That's troubling on a number of levels, but for me it's this as much as anything: I personally espouse a number of politically conservative values and policy positions, but if the only way to have them represented is to vote in white supremacists, Qanoners, and science deniers, then that's a hard no for me.
> Anyone voting for Trump is voting with white supremacy and the KKK.

OK, ya got me convinced. The Dems can have the white supremacists and KKK (are there any left?) on their team. They're all yours. I guess that means you'll have to vote for Trump now, right? Now that the Repubs donated the white supremacists and KKK to the Dem team.

Wait, what? Now you're telling me that it's up to the white supremacists and KKK to decide what team they want to be on? Who knew?

Oh I get it now. Just like all citizens, even the few rare white supremacists and KKK that still exist, have the freedom of choice to decide who to vote for, so the Repubs and the Dems can't just have the argument: "You take em!" "Heck no, we don't want em, you take em!"

So, just like a lot of us who are not particularly thrilled by some of Trump's mannerisms and ego-istic persona and occasional fart-out-of-his-ass tweets, yet would vote for him over Biden just because Trump is a much lesser evil than Biden, the few remaining white supremacists and KKK also get the right to vote for Trump over Biden just because Trump is a much lesser evil than Biden. OK, I think I'm starting to understand this stuff now. What is it you say, we have something called our unalienable right to vote for whomever we prefer? And even the white supremacists and KKK also have this right-to-vote thing? OK, I'm down with that.

So then I guess this whole "guilt by association" thing is really just a logically invalid concept used by people like @Bad Gopher who can't win an argument on its merits. OK, got it.

> That's what troubles me the most about modern "conservatism." They've now hitched their wagon to truly evil forces ...

No, there's an extremely small minority of people that still believe in some wacky things, but they still get to vote, and for some strange reason (beyond our control) those people have now hitched their wagon to the Republicans (perhaps because Trump/Pence is a lesser evil than Biden/Harris, even to people who otherwise believe in some wacky things). The Republicans have not hitched their wagon to them. They have hitched their wagon to the Republicans, and that's their choice to do so, and the rest of us have no control over it. Heck, throughout history, those dumb-asses mostly hitched themselves to the Democrats. And yet, low and behold, at that time in history there existed other Democrats that didn't particularly want their party to be hitched-to by these clowns. The Dems can have them back.

> That's what troubles me the most about modern "conservatism." They ... have set a path toward authoritarian one-party minority rule because they know their ideas will be increasingly unpopular in a society that will continue to evolve socially.

That's what troubles me the most about modern Democrats. They ... have set a path toward authoritarian one-party minority rule because they know their ideas will be increasingly unpopular in a society that will continue to evolve socially. They are attempting to head down this authoritarian (non-democratic) path by a number of means, including making up a bunch of lies about Trump and trying to impeach him for the lies that they themselves made up (in what amounted to nearly a coup attempt by a Democrat Congress); attempting to sabotage the Trump administration before it even took office; constantly lying to the public; weaponizing Covid in an attempt to make Trump look bad and lose the election - even to the point of being willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of American lives via a corrupt effort to bad-mouth a legitimately good HCQ + zinc + AZ treatment; trying to change from a secure in-person plus absentee-ballot voting system to an insecure mail-out/in voting system so that they can then commit voter fraud and try to steal the 2020 election; and if they succeed in doing so, then the Dems fully intend to eliminate the filibuster (that is sometimes useful) as well as change the country's presidential voting from a format patterned on the principles of our Great Republic to a new one of simple majority, such that they can then make it that much easier to elect Dem presidents hence forward and forever; and similarly intend to change representation in the Senate to be population-proportional such that it will become a dictatorship by the Democrats hence forward and forever.

> I personally espouse a number of politically conservative values and policy positions, but if the only way to have them represented is to vote in white supremacists, Qanoners, and science deniers, then that's a hard no for me.

Well, let me tell you about this thing that (I'm told) has existed for quite some time now, but maybe you've never heard about it yet. How it works is, you can actually fill out your ballot office-by-office, and vote for what you think is the best candidate for each. You no longer need to just vote Democrat up and down the line versus vote Republican up and down the line. What that means is, if the Democratic Party slate is running a white supremacist, or a Qanoner, or a science denier for some specific office, then you can actually jump party affiliation and vote for a Republican or an Independent for that specific office. Same thing if you would normally vote Republican. Great idea, right? So now, you no longer need to abandon your affiliation with the Democratic party, just because they might run a white supremacist, or a Qanoner, or a science denier for some specific office. And at the same time, you can still vote for Harris and Biden.
 
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