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  • Caused you to change support for Trump (didn't vote for him in 20160

    Votes: 3 50.0%
  • Caused you to vote for Biden

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KillerGopherFan

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No, Andrew Yang was 100% bluntly honest. That is who I supported and he is the only politician I have ever donated money to in my life.
I’ll agree with that. Very honest guy. Wrong, but honest.
 

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If you don't take a look around at who you're associating with, you're being dishonest with yourself and intentionally unaware. Anyone voting for Trump is voting with white supremacy and the KKK.
So, by the same logic - is anyone voting for Biden also voting for Antifa and BLM violence and destruction in the streets, looting, rioting, intimidating, etc.?
 

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No, Andrew Yang was 100% bluntly honest. That is who I supported and he is the only politician I have ever donated money to in my life.
Interesting that trump and yang were nonpoliticals of course. Maybe something to be said for that. Much more results oriented than piliticians i would think.
 

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I agree with decentralization of power, at least in theory. I also agree with Ogee that the two-party system probably is the primary culprit. This is more about tribalism than irreconcilable views on policy.
Clarify please.
 

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So, by the same logic - is anyone voting for Biden also voting for Antifa and BLM violence and destruction in the streets, looting, rioting, intimidating, etc.?
I am against Trump but I also think store owners should be able to shoot looters....
 

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So, by the same logic - is anyone voting for Biden also voting for Antifa and BLM violence and destruction in the streets, looting, rioting, intimidating, etc.?
No, that is what we have now under the current IMPOTUS’ administration. Biden will restore national unity and bring law and order to the streets by judicious use of US Navy Seals.
 
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At least thanks to Obamacare I don't have to worry about my insurance company dropping me. Republicans only got on board for preexisting conditions when they realized the public overwhelmingly supported it, not because they wanted it.
You’re spot on about this.
 

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So, by the same logic - is anyone voting for Biden also voting for Antifa and BLM violence and destruction in the streets, looting, rioting, intimidating, etc.?
I don't see people who are rioting and looting displaying Biden buttons or signs. I suspect most of those people see traditional party politics as boring and not responsive to their needs or desires. Nevertheless, I agree with you that holding political parties responsible for the actions of the worst actors is wrong and counter-productive.

Republican politicians, even loyal ones, have expressed some consternation about some of the more radical persons who have run for office this season. Trump is a bit different. He only cares about who is with him and who isn't and doesn't believe that the Republican party has value independent of him.
 

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You’re spot on about this.
This is a perfect example of how stupid entitlements are built and then never die. Once something is given by one party the other party is loathe to take it away. Insurance companies (and you should know this as a libertarian Galt) should never have had to take preexisting conditions of non customers. This should always have been settled by state pools and state subsidies rather than by insurance companies. Now...it's not really insurance anymore and everyone is paying more than they should. Of course Trump and the Rs are not going to take the candy away...they would get killed.
 

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This is a perfect example of how stupid entitlements are built and then never die. Once something is given by one party the other party is loathe to take it away. Insurance companies (and you should know this as a libertarian Galt) should never have had to take preexisting conditions of non customers. This should always have been settled by state pools and state subsidies rather than by insurance companies. Now...it's not really insurance anymore and everyone is paying more than they should. Of course Trump and the Rs are not going to take the candy away...they would get killed.
Insurance is to spread the risk to everyone. If your so healthy self insure, no one is stopping you. If your a good enough and successful enough person you can surely cover your own medical expenses.🙄
 

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I don't see people who are rioting and looting displaying Biden buttons or signs. I suspect most of those people see traditional party politics as boring and not responsive to their needs or desires. Nevertheless, I agree with you that holding political parties responsible for the actions of the worst actors is wrong and counter-productive.

Republican politicians, even loyal ones, have expressed some consternation about some of the more radical persons who have run for office this season. Trump is a bit different. He only cares about who is with him and who isn't and doesn't believe that the Republican party has value independent of him.
He cleared out the Republican swampers that were running for president in 2016. However the Bush, McCain, Romney, and Kasich (just examples) and their crews still stand in the way of American greatness. They should all be wearing blue helmets.
 

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Insurance is to spread the risk to everyone. If your so healthy self insure, no one is stopping you. If your a good enough and successful enough person you can surely cover your own medical expenses.🙄
Responsible and knowledgable people need only be concerned about trauma injuries. Most of you are committing suicide at the grocery stores and restraurants. As you wish it. Do I care? Yes, that is why I am running a series of health fairs. You may be able to get coverage over the Internet. They are also spiritual and patriotic. Many of you can not stomach that.
 

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Responsible and knowledgable people need only be concerned about trauma injuries. Most of you are committing suicide at the grocery stores and restraurants. As you wish it. Do I care? Yes, that is why I am running a series of health fairs. You may be able to get coverage over the Internet. They are also spiritual and patriotic. Many of you can not stomach that.
Maybe we need a BMI tax. No insurance for fatties.
I agree with you on people commiting suicide by over eating. I don't need Jesus to keep me thin tho...fasting and carb conscious eating work for me.
 

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This should always have been settled by state pools and state subsidies rather than by insurance companies.
Perhaps that could work but Republican politicians at the state level would try to block those as well.

In the abstract I prefer decentralized power and a transfer of powers and funding from the federal government to the state government. However, what I've learned over this century is that Tip O'Neill's famous quote of "all politics is local" no longer applies. Ambitious Republican politicians funded by big donors do the same things at the state level that they do at the federal level. Their state gig is just an audition for a federal race so they can join the Freedom Caucus on capitol hill.
 

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Responsible and knowledgable people need only be concerned about trauma injuries. Most of you are committing suicide at the grocery stores and restraurants. As you wish it. Do I care? Yes, that is why I am running a series of health fairs. You may be able to get coverage over the Internet. They are also spiritual and patriotic. Many of you can not stomach that.
What a wonderful way to champion your services! 😛
 

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Wally-
Eating the wrong foods is more important of an issue than overeating (both matter). I see you are aware of that. Not many are. Sugar is poison. Do you use essential oils? I highly recommend them. There are only 5 healthy fats which are the key to the healthiest diets. Corn oil, soybean oil, canola oil, etc are extremely unhealthy. I am working on a recipe for sugar free (lactose included) grassfed ice creams. Healthy and delicious when combined with the right foods. Right now I have a triple chocolate flavor that is unbelievably good.

BTW, spirituality isn't eclisively Christian.
 

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The only Democrat candidate nearly as bluntly honest about their policy positions as Trump was Bernie. And he’s honest about Biden being the most progressive president in the modern era.

People should believe him.
There's a gap between "most progressive president" and AOC/Bernie you can drive a truck through. The last two Dem Presidents are Obama and Clinton. Simply by advocating for modifying the ACA he is "more Progressive" than them. That doesn't make your frothing at the mouth "he's a Socialist, Communist Marxist" takes any less ridiculous.

Relative to the rest of the country, I'd say he's less Progressive than FDR or LBJ were but it's like trying to compare Patrick Mahomes to Johnny Unitas.
 

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Participating in the Off-Topic Board has lowered my opinion of the human race.

That is not a joke. I'm dead serious.

This board is literally a demonstration of humanity at its worst.

I have to stay away. reading what people post on this board is making me depressed.

And this is non-partisan. the lefties are as bad as the righties - only from a different direction.

I am going to stick to the football and basketball boards.

I will continue posting the MN daily covid report, unless someone else wants to volunteer to take that over.
 

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So, by the same logic - is anyone voting for Biden also voting for Antifa and BLM violence and destruction in the streets, looting, rioting, intimidating, etc.?
In short, no.
 

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Wally-
Eating the wrong foods is more important of an issue than overeating (both matter). I see you are aware of that. Not many are. Sugar is poison. Do you use essential oils? I highly recommend them. There are only 5 healthy fats which are the key to the healthiest diets. Corn oil, soybean oil, canola oil, etc are extremely unhealthy. I am working on a recipe for sugar free (lactose included) grassfed ice creams. Healthy and delicious when combined with the right foods. Right now I have a triple chocolate flavor that is unbelievably good.

BTW, spirituality isn't eclisively Christian.
I have been researching and trying to eat healthier fats but it's so tough. Find me some mayo that tastes good and doesn't have soybean oil. The one I tried tastes like crap and while I would love to make my own I am just to lazy.😀
Ice cream is my weakness, I only eat hagendaz, at least it only has real ingredients and it's not full of fillers and thickeners and it's fat to carb ratio is better than most. Keto ice cream is just blah, I would rather just skip it altogether than eat that.

i try to make the bulk of my diet meat, vegetables and eggs, avoiding wheat as much as possible. It's tough when you have kids tho.
 

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Participating in the Off-Topic Board has lowered my opinion of the human race.

That is not a joke. I'm dead serious.

This board is literally a demonstration of humanity at its worst.

I have to stay away. reading what people post on this board is making me depressed.

And this is non-partisan. the lefties are as bad as the righties - only from a different direction.

I am going to stick to the football and basketball boards.

I will continue posting the MN daily covid report, unless someone else wants to volunteer to take that over.
Yes but it's fun to get in the ring and spar a bit...lol
And it's better than fighting with your friends and family on facebook like alot of people I know.
 

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This is a perfect example of how stupid entitlements are built and then never die. Once something is given by one party the other party is loathe to take it away. Insurance companies (and you should know this as a libertarian Galt) should never have had to take preexisting conditions of non customers. This should always have been settled by state pools and state subsidies rather than by insurance companies. Now...it's not really insurance anymore and everyone is paying more than they should. Of course Trump and the Rs are not going to take the candy away...they would get killed.
The issue is that we have tied health insurance to employment. If someone loses their job, they don’t lose their homeowners insurance or car insurance, but health insurance goes away. The pre-existing condition issue basically disappears if we quit incentivizing and expecting employers to provide insurance.
 

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No big deal. Just am not sure what u mean by last sentence
All right, this one I guess. "This is more about tribalism than irreconcilable views on policy." You asked for it, so here's a try.

Each party contains a moderate sector although, according to survey evidence, that sector is larger in the Democratic party. Each party contains extremes, ideologues, and absolutists that makes members of those sectors uncomfortable. Within those moderate sectors exists a fair amount of policy flexibility and the views of those members are not so far apart that they couldn't reach an acceptable compromise. For example, a large share of Republicans indicate in surveys that they would like to see some sort of universal health coverage.

Beginning with Gingrich in the late eighties and early nineties, the Republican party began to pursue a strategy of defining Democrats as not just wrong about policy preferences but also wrong culturally and behaviorally (and even cosmetically) in order to build an us vs. them identity. Unfortunately, this was an effective electoral strategy and encouraged others to pile on. It was also in the nineties that Fox News and right wing media really began to emerge (there was right wing media before that but it was largely confined to talk radio and a few low circulation publications) to further drive in this tribal contrast. It was no accident that Fox News gathered a bevy of attractive blondes for their crew and paired Hannity with a guy who looked like a dweeb to play the "liberal" part (later on, he found his backbone and was dropped from the show).

Inevitably, the tribal building identity efforts on the right faced a backlash and a similar effort on the left and that's where we stand today. What also helped strengthen these identities immeasurably was modern technology and social media. Now both tribes hate each other and any compromise (especially if it's policy developed by the other side) is seen as a defeat for one's side. There is no such thing as shared policy successes. There are only two tribes that matter so few consider leaving theirs, or even momentarily defecting, when the alternative is seen as much worse. If some of the strength of these two parties could be transferred to one or more other parties that actually had some numbers, we might be able to see more policy movement from time to time.
 

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The issue is that we have tied health insurance to employment. If someone loses their job, they don’t lose their homeowners insurance or car insurance, but health insurance goes away. The pre-existing condition issue basically disappears if we quit incentivizing and expecting employers to provide insurance.
No. That's incorrect it does not go away at all. That said, I am 100% for making the insurance go to the individual and getting companies out of health insurance. For companies it is an uncontrollable cost increase year over year. I hate being involved.
The idea of making insurance companies accept people with costly conditions who were previously not customers is a bad one and I would think you would agree with that. Bottom line- insurers under those circumstances will raise prices as they did, dramatically.
 

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No. That's incorrect it does not go away at all. That said, I am 100% for making the insurance go to the individual and getting companies out of health insurance. For companies it is an uncontrollable cost increase year over year. I hate being involved.
The idea of making insurance companies accept people with costly conditions who were previously not customers is a bad one and I would think you would agree with that. Bottom line- insurers under those circumstances will raise prices as they did, dramatically.
I pay the premiums for all of my employees. It's one of the perks (and there are obviously too many to list) for working for a truly wonderful and inspirational person such as myself. But it's unfortunate that a perk like that ranges across the board for all of my employees, basically that some get a significant higher compensation package than others just because they are older and/or higher risk people.

It's not really fair to me and it's certainly not fair to the younger and healthier employees that they don't get nearly as much of a company benefit. For some employees, I pay $1000/month or less for their single/family coverage, for some, I pay almost $3000/month for their coverage. How f'd up is that?

I'd love to see health insurance taken out of the hands of the employer. Sign me up right now
 

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This is a perfect example of how stupid entitlements are built and then never die. Once something is given by one party the other party is loathe to take it away. Insurance companies (and you should know this as a libertarian Galt) should never have had to take preexisting conditions of non customers. This should always have been settled by state pools and state subsidies rather than by insurance companies. Now...it's not really insurance anymore and everyone is paying more than they should. Of course Trump and the Rs are not going to take the candy away...they would get killed.
Of course it’s an example of entitlements not going away. And yes it’s an accurate description.
 
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