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  • Caused you to change support for Trump (didn't vote for him in 20160

    Votes: 3 50.0%
  • Caused you to vote for Biden

    Votes: 3 50.0%

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KillerGopherFan

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So bad. Rugged. Dragon Energy!

It makes easy to look past his lack of morals, his lies and his utter ignorance and incompetence.
howie is having a TDS flare up. He must have watched Trump’s press conference today.
 

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It makes easy to look past his lack of morals, his lies and his utter ignorance and incompetence.
Since when do lies, ignorance, and incompetence bother you?
 

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Menno definitely shouldn't strain his conscience voting for Trump. It's not needed. He can "leave it blank" like he was going to all along.
Join me, howey. Vote for neither.
 

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He said he would come out with a health care plan, many times, still waiting.

Probably tough since Obama used a Republican plan and everything Obama did is wrong, lol
Congress. He is not a dictator. Health care plans cannot be done by executive order.
 

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Congress. He is not a dictator. Health care plans cannot be done by executive order.
Health care legislation can't be done by executive order. Health care plans can be done by anyone. Need a plan before any legislation can be done. The fact that his administration has never developed one, or instructed Congress to come up with one, shows you that health care policy isn't a priority for him. I guess that, because he never succeeded in fully repealing the ACA, he felt released from his promise to "repeal Obamacare and replace it with something great!"
 

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Health care legislation can't be done by executive order. Health care plans can be done by anyone. Need a plan before any legislation can be done. The fact that his administration has never developed one, or instructed Congress to come up with one, shows you that health care policy isn't a priority for him. I guess that, because he never succeeded in fully repealing the ACA, he felt released from his promise to "repeal Obamacare and replace it with something great!"
Right. It never got repealed, that's not Trump. No bill in congress and no hope to get one and you expect him to release his own plan? You do realize how that works don't you? The opposition tears it apart and you get nothing for the pain. Obama never got out front of the Dems, he let congress carry his water on it. Health care is too much of a kitchen table issue. Second term, that might be different.
 

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BGA, CjFootball, any comments on the OP?
 

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Congress. He is not a dictator. Health care plans cannot be done by executive order.
He can submit a plan for debate.
President has much bigger bully pulpit than anyone in congress. How did Obama do it?
 

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Health care legislation can't be done by executive order. Health care plans can be done by anyone. Need a plan before any legislation can be done. The fact that his administration has never developed one, or instructed Congress to come up with one, shows you that health care policy isn't a priority for him. I guess that, because he never succeeded in fully repealing the ACA, he felt released from his promise to "repeal Obamacare and replace it with something great!"

Doesn't matter, only "suckers and losers" can't afford healthcare!
 

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I wasn't going to vote for either Biden or Trump, but the lunatic left is pushing me to vote a straight Republican ticket, including for President. I still consider Trump a degenerate person, but the Democratic Party is so evil, it makes Trump look better than the Democratic Party.
How did the Democratic Party fall so far away from supporting the US Constitution? It's just sad to see how morally corrupt the Party has become.
This is pretty much where I’m at.

I’ll vote for lower taxes over higher taxes.
Less regulation over more regulation.
American manufacturing over globalism.
Taking on China vs bowing to them.
Conservative Supreme Court justices over liberals.
Someone that supports law enforcement vs those that support rioting and looting as a form of protest.
Keeping my gun for hunting vs those that would take it away.
Delegating Covid actions to the states vs trying to create a national solution.

Even though I’m not a Trump supporter, he wins on all of these issues.
 

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This is pretty much where I’m at.

I’ll vote for lower taxes over higher taxes.
Less regulation over more regulation.
American manufacturing over globalism.
Taking on China vs bowing to them.
Conservative Supreme Court justices over liberals.
Someone that supports law enforcement vs those that support rioting and looting as a form of protest.
Keeping my gun for hunting vs those that would take it away.
Delegating Covid actions to the states vs trying to create a national solution.

Even though I’m not a Trump supporter, he wins on all of these issues.
That's a lot of winning
 

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This is pretty much where I’m at.

I’ll vote for lower taxes over higher taxes.
Less regulation over more regulation.
American manufacturing over globalism.
Taking on China vs bowing to them.
Conservative Supreme Court justices over liberals.
Someone that supports law enforcement vs those that support rioting and looting as a form of protest.
Keeping my gun for hunting vs those that would take it away.
Delegating Covid actions to the states vs trying to create a national solution.

Even though I’m not a Trump supporter, he wins on all of these issues.
I would add:
I do not want open borders
I do not want to provide health care for illegal immigrants.
 

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I learn a ton on this board. I wouldn’t be here otherwise. I would never vote for any of these Dems for office, but my time here has definitely solidified my vote for Trump. Mennosota is exactly right. Trump is personally unfit. Had Dems treated him hostile but fairly, it would be so obvious and he would have no chance. But the Russiagate nonsense, Obamagate criminality, and the Kavanaugh hearings simply cannot succeed. Not to mention the riots and political intimidation sweeping the country. We can survive a pres with bad tweets and moral failings. The lies are more noticeable with Trump but nothing groundbreaking. We can’t survive the tactics the Dems have chosen to employ.
 

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This is pretty much where I’m at.

I’ll vote for lower taxes over higher taxes.
Less regulation over more regulation.
American manufacturing over globalism.
Taking on China vs bowing to them.
Conservative Supreme Court justices over liberals.
Someone that supports law enforcement vs those that support rioting and looting as a form of protest.
Keeping my gun for hunting vs those that would take it away.
Delegating Covid actions to the states vs trying to create a national solution.

Even though I’m not a Trump supporter, he wins on all of these issues.
Bingo. On all counts
 

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I learn a ton on this board. I wouldn’t be here otherwise. I would never vote for any of these Dems for office, but my time here has definitely solidified my vote for Trump. Mennosota is exactly right. Trump is personally unfit. Had Dems treated him hostile but fairly, it would be so obvious and he would have no chance. But the Russiagate nonsense, Obamagate criminality, and the Kavanaugh hearings simply cannot succeed. Not to mention the riots and political intimidation sweeping the country. We can survive a pres with bad tweets and moral failings. The lies are more noticeable with Trump but nothing groundbreaking. We can’t survive the tactics the Dems have chosen to employ.
The media is daily attempting to shape your image of Trump. He is totally fit for the job at hand. He's tough. Remember, they hated Bush and he was the kindest guy you will ever see in office. That aside, I agree with you, I learn a lot here and it inspires me to understand the positions I back better. If anything seeing the arguments I face here, it has 1000% strengthened my position and confidence in it. Thank you leftists!
 

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The media is daily attempting to shape your image of Trump. He is totally fit for the job at hand. He's tough. Remember, they hated Bush and he was the kindest guy you will ever see in office. That aside, I agree with you, I learn a lot here and it inspires me to understand the positions I back better. If anything seeing the arguments I face here, it has 1000% strengthened my position and confidence in it. Thank you leftists!
It really depends on what your definition of “fit” is. Trump is occasionally unpresidential, but that’s like being a little bit pregnant or a “mostly peaceful protest”. However, desperate times call for desperate measures, and I believe Trump is necessary to take on the power brokers that are controlling our political process, the MSM being a big one.

Trump is not a model President behaviorally, but Obama was as arrogant and deceitful as any president that we’ve ever had in my lifetime. Most Democrats do what they do b/c they want to stay in power. Obama saw the USA as inherently flawed and wanted to fundamentally change it. No thanks.
 

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The only thing my time spent posting in the OT has caused me to rethink are my feelings about people who support the Republican Party. I used to believe most people who opposed my left wing politics were reasonable and well-meaning people who wanted freedom, democracy, and prosperity for all Americans and for oppressed people around the world. I no longer believe this. I now understand that right wingers will post any lie and ignore all contrary evidence in pursuit of their anti-democratic, hypernationalist, and environmentally ruthless political agenda.
The only thing my time spent posting in the OT has caused me to rethink are my feelings about people who support the Democratic Party. I used to believe most people who opposed my center-left politics were reasonable and well-meaning people who wanted freedom, democracy, and prosperity for all Americans and for oppressed people around the world. I no longer believe this. I now understand that left wingers will post any lie and ignore all contrary evidence in pursuit of their illogical, anti-democratic, terrorist-sympathizing, communist-leaning, and racially ruthless (they want to burn down black-owned businesses and defund police so that the slaughter of blacks by blacks will not only continue but accelerate) political agenda.
 

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The only thing my time spent posting in the OT has caused me to rethink are my feelings about people who support the Democratic Party. I used to believe most people who opposed my center-left politics were reasonable and well-meaning people who wanted freedom, democracy, and prosperity for all Americans and for oppressed people around the world. I no longer believe this. I now understand that left wingers will post any lie and ignore all contrary evidence in pursuit of their illogical, anti-democratic, terrorist-sympathizing, communist-leaning, and racially ruthless (they want to burn down black-owned businesses and defund police so that the slaughter of blacks by blacks will not only continue but accelerate) political agenda.
It wasn't always like this. The education system is at the root of this and we have to reform it. On line schooling and home schooling is a start. The real problem comes out of the universities. Teach life skills and encourage solid technical training. Keep your sons and daughters away from the socialistic lunatics that hide out in the universities when possible. Certain degrees will require a college education, but the stupid curriculums need to be ended. The communist professors aren't fringe anymore, have have a solid toe hold. We let that happen. I pray we can fend off the war that is coming to the streets, but I will not interfere with the urban areas burning themselves out as long as they are contained to those areas. I think it is the only way some will learn. I encourage Black Flight from those areas by the good and decent people there. There are many.
 

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I don't care who you vote for and I echo Howe's words. However, your "guilt by association" reasoning (no matter how untenable that is) is ridiculous. I'm confident that more Klan and loony militia members will show up and vote for Trump (and Republicans) than rioters and looters will show up and vote for Biden and Democrats. Nevertheless, I'm not going to associate the the Klan with the Republican party despite the fact that Trump was invited to denounce David Duke and refused to do so. Contrast that with Republicans, including the first president Bush, who told Louisiana Republican voters to vote for Democrat Edwards when David Duke won the Republican nomination for LA governor in 1991 despite the fact that Edwards was notoriously corrupt.
If you don't take a look around at who you're associating with, you're being dishonest with yourself and intentionally unaware. Anyone voting for Trump is voting with white supremacy and the KKK.

That's what troubles me the most about modern "conservatism." They've now hitched their wagon to truly evil forces and have set a path toward authoritarian one-party minority rule because they know their ideas will be increasingly unpopular in a society that will continue to evolve socially. That's troubling on a number of levels, but for me it's this as much as anything: I personally espouse a number of politically conservative values and policy positions, but if the only way to have them represented is to vote in white supremacists, Qanoners, and science deniers, then that's a hard no for me.
 

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No one's mind is going to be changed.

It is scary how far apart are the views of the two sides. I think a solution would be to give much greater power to the states. That way people would have a much greater chance to live in a system that reflects their views.

Otherwise, one could certainly see our union dissolving in time , maybe a short time, into two or more separate countries.
 
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It really depends on what your definition of “fit” is. Trump is occasionally unpresidential, but that’s like being a little bit pregnant or a “mostly peaceful protest”. However, desperate times call for desperate measures, and I believe Trump is necessary to take on the power brokers that are controlling our political process, the MSM being a big one.

Trump is not a model President behaviorally, but Obama was as arrogant and deceitful as any president that we’ve ever had in my lifetime. Most Democrats do what they do b/c they want to stay in power. Obama saw the USA as inherently flawed and wanted to fundamentally change it. No thanks.
Why would we want our Presidents to be opaque and deceptive as long as they are smooth and genteel? I want a President who says clearly- here's what I want to do to help America and why.... and then HE DOES IT!

That's Trump. He's not poll tested, he's doesn't play by rules, he just sees it, says it and goes for it.

How many years of BS politicians do we have to see come and go, who don't solve problems, before we switch what we view to be desirable in a President? This President has helped me see politics in a different way and I take a darker view of even most standard Republican politicians than I used to. Too many of them are all about image shaping and deal making so they can win elections, gain influence and keep the swamp benefits rolling.
 

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No one's mind is going to be changed.

It is scary how far apart are the views of the two sides. I think a solution would be to give much greater power to the states. That way people would have a much greater chance to live in a system that reflects their views.

Otherwise, one could certainly see our union dissolving in time , maybe a short time, into two or more separate countries.
I think that there are people who might get their minds changed a bit. They are those who do NOT comment on the OT but occasionally drop in and read information that they didn't know before.
 

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Why would we want our Presidents to be opaque and deceptive as long as they are smooth and genteel? I want a President who says clearly- here's what I want to do to help America and why.... and then HE DOES IT!

That's Trump. He's not poll tested, he's doesn't play by rules, he just sees it, says it and goes for it.

How many years of BS politicians do we have to see come and go, who don't solve problems, before we switch what we view to be desirable in a President? This President has helped me see politics in a different way and I take a darker view of even most standard Republican politicians than I used to. Too many of them are all about image shaping and deal making so they can win elections, gain influence and keep the swamp benefits rolling.
The only Democrat candidate nearly as bluntly honest about their policy positions as Trump was Bernie. And he’s honest about Biden being the most progressive president in the modern era.

People should believe him.
 

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You mean Obamacare didn’t fix it?
At least thanks to Obamacare I don't have to worry about my insurance company dropping me. Republicans only got on board for preexisting conditions when they realized the public overwhelmingly supported it, not because they wanted it.
 

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No one's mind is going to be changed.

It is scary how far apart are the views of the two sides. I think a solution would be to give much greater power to the states. That way people would have a much greater chance to live in a system that reflects their views.
I agree with decentralization of power, at least in theory. I also agree with Ogee that the two-party system probably is the primary culprit. This is more about tribalism than irreconcilable views on policy.
 

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The only Democrat candidate nearly as bluntly honest about their policy positions as Trump was Bernie. And he’s honest about Biden being the most progressive president in the modern era.

People should believe him.
No, Andrew Yang was 100% bluntly honest. That is who I supported and he is the only politician I have ever donated money to in my life.
 
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