GOP continues in its efforts of vote restriction.

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One would think that for that reason alone, the Republican Party would do their best to make Puerto Rico a paradise. Oops. Anyone (JTF?) have any statistics as to how many Puerto Ricans have migrated to the mainland?
You can always tell the time of day when Cinnabon has finished his homework and the folks let him back on the computer! Right about now
 

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One would think that for that reason alone, the Republican Party would do their best to make Puerto Rico a paradise. Oops. Anyone (JTF?) have any statistics as to how many Puerto Ricans have migrated to the mainland?
I read somewhere it was 10,000/month IIRC and that was before the Hurricane.
 

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You can always tell the time of day when Cinnabon has finished his homework and the folks let him back on the computer! Right about now
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I hope for your sake that you've had a fun day of excessive alcohol.
 

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It ain't easy being 2. And when Conservatives have the #1 show on TV, the evil network goes and cancels it just because the star is a racist. So unfair!

The major influence that Twitter and Facebook have had on our elections is that they wittingly or unwittingly allowed a massive propaganda campaign that helped Trump. And you're somehow still claiming they're an advantage for the Dems. Ridiculous.
This isn’t about fair. All I said was you have a huge advantage and still lost. I didn’t even mention fbi and doj working on your behalf!

It’s a huge advantage and it’s not debatable. Somehow you’re claiming that the CEO’s and almost all employees in Silicon Valley is a disadvantage. And yet you trot out your cliche “it ain’t easy”.


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You think it's generally good that we're governed by the person who less people voted for? The system is what it is. But the EC is not serving the purpose it was intended to serve, which was to give the electors a chance to over-ride the vote if someone they found unsuitable was elected. If it didn't happen in 2016 it will never happen. It's a relic. Unfortunately we'll never be able to change it.
I think it worked fine. Hillary is unsuitable.


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The "why let New York and CA decide everything" is such a canard. Do VA, NM, MN, and CO not count? Are they filled with coastal elitists? The fact that a person in WY has their vote weighted 3 times more than someone in CA is unfair on some level. Can anyone honestly dispute this?

Most of the arguments for the EC that existed at the founding or even 50 years ago regarding travel, or regional campaigns or "candidates will only care about voters in NY and CA if we have a popular vote" are irrelevant in 2018. But there will no Constitutional Amendments happening any decade soon, so it's an irrelevant discussion.
Mr it will never happen suddenly likes debating principle.


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BULL****.

The concentration of the wealth in the South is in the Southern cities, and while they are not the liberal havens of Yankee Land, they are NOT why the South is red; the South is red just as the Rocky Mountains and Appalachia are red and outstate areas everywhere are red: relatively poor rural white folk. Weathier, suburbian white folk tend to essentially split their votes liberally/conservatively. Redneckism, aka Trumpism, is by far the main reason why the South is red.
It’s a fact that as the south got wealthier it voted R. Your narrative is not trumped by facts.


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Wow. Ignorant hot take. You'll have to tell Sporty that the real reason he won't vote for the GOP is because he's not rich enough. Why is that as places like Northern VA, Las Vegas and Denver have grown, VA, NV and CO turned blue? Why are Georgia and NC, with highly educated, wealthy population centers turning bluer while Alabama, Mississippi and Arkansas are not?

Who do you think the majority of Asians or Jewish people vote for? And how are the Dems so well funded if rich people are all smart enough to know what's good for them and vote for the good ole GOP? Do Warren Buffet and George Soros have to fund literally everything by themselves?
Wealthy self sufficient people are more likely to vote for smaller government and less taxes. It is self interest.


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One would think that for that reason alone, the Republican Party would do their best to make Puerto Rico a paradise. Oops. Anyone (JTF?) have any statistics as to how many Puerto Ricans have migrated to the mainland?
Wouldn’t be the first time Democrats fled a situation of their own making.


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Wouldn’t be the first time Democrats fled a situation of their own making.


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The Democrats sent a massive hurricane onto Puerto Rico? :confused:
 

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Wealthy self sufficient people are more likely to vote for smaller government and less taxes. It is self interest.


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Another total bull**** statement from you. No one is actually self-sufficient (other than those rare few hermits who live directly off the land); and certainly not the wealthy. They are entirely dependent upon others for their wealth.
 

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This isn’t about fair. All I said was you have a huge advantage and still lost. I didn’t even mention fbi and doj working on your behalf!

It’s a huge advantage and it’s not debatable. Somehow you’re claiming that the CEO’s and almost all employees in Silicon Valley is a disadvantage. And yet you trot out your cliche “it ain’t easy”.


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Facebook and Twitter's impact on the 2016 election is not debatable. It helped Trump.

"Almost all" CEOs and employees in Silicon Valley are partisan Dems? What %? Link?
 

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Wealthy self sufficient people are more likely to vote for smaller government and less taxes. It is self interest.


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BS. The South went R starting in the 60's with the Civil Rights act. You've had this explained to you multiple times but you play dense.

Here are the wealthiest states by median income. 13 of them are blue. TWO of them are red. Neither of them is in the South.

1 Maryland $75,847 $73,971 $72,483 $71,122 $70,000
District of Columbia† $75,628 $71,648 $67,572 $66,583 $63,124
2 Hawaii $73,486 $69,592 $68,020 $66,259 $61,821
3 Alaska $73,355 $71,583 $72,237 $67,712 $67,825
4 New Jersey $72,222 $71,919 $70,165 $69,667 $67,458
5 Connecticut $71,346 $70,048 $67,098 $67,276 $65,753
6 Massachusetts $70,628 $69,160 $66,768 $65,339 $62,859
7 New Hampshire $70,303 $66,532 $64,230 $63,280 $62,647
8 Virginia $66,262 $64,902 $62,666 $61,741 $61,882
9 California $64,500 $61,933 $60,190 $58,328 $57,287s
10 Washington $64,129 $61,366 $58,405 $57,573 $56,835
11 Colorado $63,909 $61,303 $58,823 $56,765 $55,387
12 Minnesota $63,488 $61,481 $60,702 $58,906 $56,954
13 Utah $62,912 $60,922 $59,770 $57,049 $55,869
14 Delaware $61,255 $59,716 $57,846 $58,415 $58,814
15 New York $60,850 58,878 $57,369 $56,448 $55,246

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_income
 

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Howie. You are not understanding Howie.


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Facebook and Twitter's impact on the 2016 election is not debatable. It helped Trump.

"Almost all" CEOs and employees in Silicon Valley are partisan Dems? What %? Link?
Howie, you are avoiding the point I made.


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Another total bull**** statement from you. No one is actually self-sufficient (other than those rare few hermits who live directly off the land); and certainly not the wealthy. They are entirely dependent upon others for their wealth.
Ok comrade. No one is self sufficient. Everyone is dependent.


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It’s a fact that as the south got wealthier it voted R. Your narrative is not trumped by facts.


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As the Earth's temperature has warmed, the number of Republicans in the South increased. Look it up! Heat causes Republicanism. Note that Democratic strongholds are mostly in states where it is not consistenly hot and humid.
 

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As the Earth's temperature has warmed, the number of Republicans in the South increased. Look it up! Heat causes Republicanism. Note that Democratic strongholds are mostly in states where it is not consistenly hot and humid.
Well, feel free to educate yourself.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2012/05/party-civil-rights-kevin-d-williamson/

A few excerpts, but you'll really just need to read the article.

Even if the Republicans’ rise in the South had happened suddenly in the 1960s (it didn’t) and even if there were no competing explanation (there is), racism — or, more precisely, white southern resentment over the political successes of the civil-rights movement — would be an implausible explanation for the dissolution of the Democratic bloc in the old Confederacy and the emergence of a Republican stronghold there. That is because those southerners who defected from the Democratic party in the 1960s and thereafter did so to join a Republican party that was far more enlightened on racial issues than were the Democrats of the era, and had been for a century.

The Democrats began losing the “solid South” in the late 1930s

The South had been in effect a Third World country within the United States, and that changed with the post-war economic boom. As Clay Risen put it in the New York Times: “The South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class. This class, not surprisingly, began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interests: the GOP. Working-class whites, however — and here’s the surprise — even those in areas with large black populations, stayed loyal to the Democrats. This was true until the 90s, when the nation as a whole turned rightward in Congressional voting.” The mythmakers would have you believe that it was the opposite: that your white-hooded hillbilly trailer-dwelling tornado-bait voters jumped ship because LBJ signed a civil-rights bill (passed on the strength of disproportionately Republican support in Congress). The facts suggest otherwise.

The conservative ascendency of 1964 saw the nomination of Barry Goldwater, a western libertarian who had never been strongly identified with racial issues one way or the other, but who was a principled critic of the 1964 act and its extension of federal power. Goldwater had supported the 1957 and 1960 acts but believed that Title II and Title VII of the 1964 bill were unconstitutional, based in part on a 75-page brief from Robert Bork. But far from extending a welcoming hand to southern segregationists, he named as his running mate a New York representative, William E. Miller, who had been the co-author of Republican civil-rights legislation in the 1950s. The Republican platform in 1964 was hardly catnip for Klansmen: It spoke of the Johnson administration’s failure to help further the “just aspirations of the minority groups” and blasted the president for his refusal “to apply Republican-initiated retraining programs where most needed, particularly where they could afford new economic opportunities to Negro citizens.” Other planks in the platform included: “improvements of civil rights statutes adequate to changing needs of our times; such additional administrative or legislative actions as may be required to end the denial, for whatever unlawful reason, of the right to vote; continued opposition to discrimination based on race, creed, national origin or sex.” And Goldwater’s fellow Republicans ran on a 1964 platform demanding “full implementation and faithful execution of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and all other civil rights statutes, to assure equal rights and opportunities guaranteed by the Constitution to every citizen.” Some dog whistle.
 

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As the Earth's temperature has warmed, the number of Republicans in the South increased. Look it up! Heat causes Republicanism. Note that Democratic strongholds are mostly in states where it is not consistenly hot and humid.
Fake News! Air Conditioning causes Republicanism.
 

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If wealth causes people to vote R, why are 13 of the 15 wealthiest states blue?
Stupid question. Those states have the largest populations, high cost of livings, highest number of wealthy, highest number of the poor, highest taxes, highest property values, among other things, but most importantly, they are centers of commerce, wealth, and investment. A lot of people live in those states, but that doesn’t mean that the majority of them are wealthy.
 

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It’s interesting to see when presented with a thorough explanation of the dynamics of demographics, politics, and wealth distribution of the South that you choose the deflect with some humor instead of challenging the premise with some contrary information. Looks like the ‘white flag’ is being waved.
 

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Ok, these are the least wealthy...
41 North Carolina
42 Tennessee
43 South Carolina
44 Louisiana
45 New Mexico
46 Kentucky
47 Alabama
48 West Virginia
49 Arkansas
50 Mississippi
 

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If wealth causes people to vote R, why are 13 of the 15 wealthiest states blue?
maybe you should read the article I linked and then you can speak intelligently on the subject. It's not that being wealthy makes someone a republican, obviously. It's that as people move from poverty, where they supported the new deal, and then become middle class, where they don't, their voting changes.
 

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maybe you should read the article I linked and then you can speak intelligently on the subject. It's not that being wealthy makes someone a republican, obviously. It's that as people move from poverty, where they supported the new deal, and then become middle class, where they don't, their voting changes.
And then at some point, they stop? Or at some point Republicanism caps wealth? I'm being quite serious.
 

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And then at some point, they stop? Or at some point Republicanism caps wealth? I'm being quite serious.
It is a fact that voting patterns in the south changed prior to the civil rights movement, and kept changing for 30 years after the civil rights movement. Read the article. There are multiple reasons for it, but the reason that absolutely does not make sense and doesn't line up with the timeline is that LBJ passed the civil rights amendment, and angry white racists fled the party.
 
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