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With how poor of a player so many thinks he is, we should want him to go to our rivals...
Honestly though, let him go if he is gonna run over to sconny.. Who cares. He isn't good enough to fawn over.
Even at his best, he was no better than a top 50% guard in the league.
 

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Not a super smart defender though. Stupid fouls nonstop. To me that is not a good defensive player at all. He also lost assignments frequently.
Correct we just think athletic dudes are good defenders sometimes I think. Being a good defender is hard. It requires more than effort. It requires knowledge, vision, and sacrifice. Jarvis gave an effort and worked hard, but he got lost positionally all the time
 

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Yes and no....if the 25% shooter shoots less, he actually hurts the team less and his defense is even more valuable then.
🤦‍♂️ ffs. I think the stats comparing him to Hollins earlier say it all. His value dropped every year. While I'd like to keep him I don't think he's irreplaceable.
 

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Until the whole team you are playing sags and makes it impossible for the rest of your guys to get to the rack. Teams flat out didn't guard us at the 3 line this year and they took away our inside game and there was very little there in terms of driving lanes also.

Being able to hit from outside opens up the floor for a multitude of different players. It's bigger than 1.5 points a game, IMO.
This didn’t happen often to Gabe until mid way this year. Most teams didn’t help off him a ton and he created space. Also no one shot well. At some point it’s not just a Gabe issue. He can certainly carry much of the blame as he was awful and had lost all confidence before he went out with his injury. However this whole team fell apart.
 

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My uncle was a football coach. Was at a handful of colleges before 25+ years in the pros. Tells lots of stories about recruiting. One thing he always stressed was guys choose a school—not a coach. He said he lost some recruits because of that but wanted kids to be somewhere they were happy regardless of how football worked out. Hell—might have cost him Robert Smith!

He went on to coach two of the best running backs ever so he wasn’t too sad. But he still talks about kids choosing a coach or team not the school. Thinks it leads to a lot of transfers.
 

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Gabe gonna get punched in the dick by Davison and he won’t even be on the team.
 

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Well maybe that's what it would take to actually motivate him to fix his shot? 😏
Guy is a gym rat and incredibly hard worker. It’s mental with him and a confidence thing. One thing to add that can effect performance. He never lost before these last two years. I’m sure it wore on him and others.
 

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Guy is a gym rat and incredibly hard worker. It’s mental with him and a confidence thing. One thing to add that can effect performance. He never lost before these last two years. I’m sure it wore on him and others.
Great.
Put it on someone else's shoulders to win. Instead of doing the work yourself. It's typical of this generation of kids though, so not surprising.
If he had played well even at all this season we are in the dance. No one's fault but his own IMO.
 

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Guy is a gym rat and incredibly hard worker. It’s mental with him and a confidence thing. One thing to add that can effect performance. He never lost before these last two years. I’m sure it wore on him and others.

Look, face it. There's something else besides this player's ability that keeps all the hand wringing apologists grasping at every straw to declare how valuable he is. My guess is if he had come from New Jersey and no one around here could say "I watched him in high school!" there would be little effort defending and mourning the departure of a three year player who never topped the 11.9 Player Efficiency Rating he established as a freshman.
 

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This didn’t happen often to Gabe until mid way this year. Most teams didn’t help off him a ton and he created space. Also no one shot well. At some point it’s not just a Gabe issue. He can certainly carry much of the blame as he was awful and had lost all confidence before he went out with his injury. However this whole team fell apart.
Gabe can shoot. You can tell with his form. And he has a past track record.

I blame a lot of it on the offense. He didn't get a ton of open looks, and when he did, it wasn't in the flow of offense. Rhythm has a lot to do with shooting.

When Gabe was elite, the over-dribbler Carr wasn't eligible to play.

I also wonder if the three point line getting moved out hurt him?

I want him back personally.
 

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Gabe can shoot. You can tell with his form. And he has a past track record.

I blame a lot of it on the offense. He didn't get a ton of open looks, and when he did, it wasn't in the flow of offense. Rhythm has a lot to do with shooting.

When Gabe was elite, the over-dribbler Carr wasn't eligible to play.

I also wonder if the three point line getting moved out hurt him?

I want him back personally.
Hear what you are saying and at the same time he did have an awful lot of really good looks that were airballs or bricks. I would want him back as well.
 

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Gabe can shoot. You can tell with his form. And he has a past track record.

I blame a lot of it on the offense. He didn't get a ton of open looks, and when he did, it wasn't in the flow of offense. Rhythm has a lot to do with shooting.

When Gabe was elite, the over-dribbler Carr wasn't eligible to play.

I also wonder if the three point line getting moved out hurt him?

I want him back personally.

I want him back to. But Carr and Mashburn I want more.

He's a program guy - Gabe that is.

If I was his coach though and he is THAT damn valuable that his defense makes the difference between us winning and losing. I tell him to tape that dam finger up and get out there and play some defense for us.
A broken finger is a broken finger. Nothing you can do for it and it won't get worse. I know it might be different with guys like this as they want to think about their future. But there has been many a high school kid that wouldn't let this take them out of the lineup for a season...
 

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I want him back to. But Carr and Mashburn I want more.

I don't want any of them back. I don't want Carr back because I don't think staying here is in his best interest. On a personal level, I would be happy to watch him for another year but his presence would limit the opportunities for the newcomers. I don't want the other two back because I'd rather watch someone else than them. I feel the same way about Tre' Williams.
 

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Great.
Put it on someone else's shoulders to win. Instead of doing the work yourself. It's typical of this generation of kids though, so not surprising.
If he had played well even at all this season we are in the dance. No one's fault but his own IMO.
What does this even mean lol
 

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Gabe can shoot. You can tell with his form. And he has a past track record.

I blame a lot of it on the offense. He didn't get a ton of open looks, and when he did, it wasn't in the flow of offense. Rhythm has a lot to do with shooting.

When Gabe was elite, the over-dribbler Carr wasn't eligible to play.

I also wonder if the three point line getting moved out hurt him?

I want him back personally.
It all changed when the 3 point line was moved back staring with the 2019-2020 season. I was on 1.75 inches but it has made a huge difference for him. 2018-2019 was the only year he shot the ball well and it happened to be his first year.

3 point shooting
2018-2019 = 41%
2019-2020 = 34%
2020-2021 = 25%
 

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Look, face it. There's something else besides this player's ability that keeps all the hand wringing apologists grasping at every straw to declare how valuable he is. My guess is if he had come from New Jersey and no one around here could say "I watched him in high school!" there would be little effort defending and mourning the departure of a three year player who never topped the 11.9 Player Efficiency Rating he established as a freshman.
Check my post history. I’m far from the “one of us” nostalgic types. I do like high character guys who do things right. I also get tired of seeing folks sad that we are losing Martice Mitchell and David Mutaf, but rip Gabe. I think when creating a culture in year zero, Gabe is a perfect fit. Will we win a ton of games if he’s relied on to be the 3rd guy offensively? Probably not unless we are a top 10 defensive team in the country.
 

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Hear what you are saying and at the same time he did have an awful lot of really good looks that were airballs or bricks. I would want him back as well.
I’d bet he’s not be happy with his shooting either. If he wasn't angry then yeah we wouldn’t want him back. I’d really be interested like the post you replied to said and see the difference if he’s getting more threes in transition or in some sort of rhythm more consistently
 

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Gabe can shoot. You can tell with his form. And he has a past track record.

I blame a lot of it on the offense. He didn't get a ton of open looks, and when he did, it wasn't in the flow of offense. Rhythm has a lot to do with shooting.

When Gabe was elite, the over-dribbler Carr wasn't eligible to play.

I also wonder if the three point line getting moved out hurt him?

I want him back personally.
It's not like the 3-point line moved 5 feet. It was a small move. He was already shooting from those types of spots before it moved. Your statement that Gabe can shoot, I think is just wrong. Maybe it was style of play, but shooters shoot. The really good ones move to open spots without the ball. If Carr dribbles into a spot, it's Gabe's responsibility to move to an open spot on the floor. This needs to look like Ben's team; I'm fine if he leaves. If he chooses to stay, I hope to hell he gets way better than he is. Two straight years of deterioration from him is not a good look.
 

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Check my post history. I’m far from the “one of us” nostalgic types. I do like high character guys who do things right. I also get tired of seeing folks sad that we are losing Martice Mitchell and David Mutaf, but rip Gabe. I think when creating a culture in year zero, Gabe is a perfect fit. Will we win a ton of games if he’s relied on to be the 3rd guy offensively? Probably not unless we are a top 10 defensive team in the country.
The difference in your comparison is that Martice and David are being looked at based on their potential and people want to see if that plays out. Gabe has had three years. One really promising year as a Freshman which gets everyone's hope up; followed by two declining years. If Martice and David had the same history, everyone would be shoving them out the door.
 

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Great.
Put it on someone else's shoulders to win. Instead of doing the work yourself. It's typical of this generation of kids though, so not surprising.
If he had played well even at all this season we are in the dance. No one's fault but his own IMO.

Gabe was in a gym shooting daily last summer. I know the coach who’s gym he was in. I’ve never once read that he was not a good or hard worker. What work do you feel he didn’t do? The generational arguments weak too. He didn’t play well offensively last year, but if you didn’t think we missed him when he was out, then I don’t know what to tell you.
 

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The difference in your comparison is that Martice and David are being looked at based on their potential and people want to see if that plays out. Gabe has had three years. One really promising year as a Freshman which gets everyone's hope up; followed by two declining years. If Martice and David had the same history, everyone would be shoving them out the door.
I know the difference and it was kind of my point. I think it’s hilarious that we think dudes that couldn’t crack the line up are better than the ones we had in. Especially when we were beating some good teams. I’m far from a Pitino fan, but he and his staff were at practices everyday not us who watch a dude score some points in garbage time and think it’s indicative of whether they are good or not.
 

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From Freshmen to Sophmore year Blake Hoffaber went from 42.7% from 3 to 34.1% from 3. His percentage went back up his Jr year and finished strong his senior year. It is easy to write Gabe off because his percentage dropped again but it isn't unreasonable to think he can make a big jump again this year and be back to his freshmen year form. I think we just are so stuck on the disappointed year overall and we are just writing players off like they can't improve
 

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I want him back to. But Carr and Mashburn I want more.

He's a program guy - Gabe that is.

If I was his coach though and he is THAT damn valuable that his defense makes the difference between us winning and losing. I tell him to tape that dam finger up and get out there and play some defense for us.
A broken finger is a broken finger. Nothing you can do for it and it won't get worse. I know it might be different with guys like this as they want to think about their future. But there has been many a high school kid that wouldn't let this take them out of the lineup for a season...
Gabe had surgery to fix the break so probably a bit more complex that being assumed.

Also thought I'd look and see how much better Jamal and Marcus played (looked at FG%) without Gabe in the line-up:

14-32 Indiana (43.8%)
9-35 IL (25.7%)
11-29 NW (37.9%)
15-42 NE (35.7%)
5-22 Penn State (22.7%)
6-30 Rutgers (20.0%)
7-22 NW (32.8%)
15-46 OSU (32.6%)

Overall they were 82 of 258 (8 games) for FG 31.7% ... Jamal was 27.3% from 3 and Marcus 29.5% from 3.

Gabe did have a terrible year like everyone is pointing out with a FG 31.6% and 24.5% from 3 ... buys didn't seem to play better without him.
 

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Gabe was in a gym shooting daily last summer. I know the coach who’s gym he was in. I’ve never once read that he was not a good or hard worker. What work do you feel he didn’t do? The generational arguments weak too. He didn’t play well offensively last year, but if you didn’t think we missed him when he was out, then I don’t know what to tell you.
I thought he played decent on offense, getting open looks off of hard cuts. Still put up 10ppg, that long ball just wouldn't fall. I want him back and that would be awkward if he went to wisconsin and left Ben like that
 

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I thought he played decent on offense, getting open looks off of hard cuts. Still put up 10ppg, that long ball just wouldn't fall. I want him back and that would be awkward if he went to wisconsin and left Ben like that
Imagine if he made just 9 more 3s. He would be at 33%. I don't understand how we turned Gabe into Michael Hurt
 
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