Further proof Trumpism is a Cult

justthefacts

Active member
We already saw how Republicans completely changed their tune on Putin because Trump told them to (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/gop-russia-putin-support-232714)

Now, as we probably knew all along, Republicans have also recently decided that they dislike free trade.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/21/16-striking-findings-from-2016/

About two-thirds of Republicans and Republican-leaning registered voters (68%) say free trade has been a bad thing for the U.S., while only 24% say it has been good for the country. These views, which have shifted starkly since May 2015, when 51% of Republican voters said free trade was a good thing for the U.S. and 39% said it was bad, came as President-elect Trump criticized free trade throughout the 2016 election cycle
 

cncmin

Well-known member
We already saw how Republicans completely changed their tune on Putin because Trump told them to (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/gop-russia-putin-support-232714)

Now, as we probably knew all along, Republicans have also recently decided that they dislike free trade.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/21/16-striking-findings-from-2016/
lol. Oh really! So they're suddenly 1980s and 1990s Democrats on free trade issues? Next thing you know they won't think the ACA was all that bad. Lordy.
 

howeda7

Well-known member
lol. Oh really! So they're suddenly 1980s and 1990s Democrats on free trade issues? Next thing you know they won't think the ACA was all that bad. Lordy.
The ACA is terrible. They will repeal it immediately! (With an effective date of 1/1/2024).
 

diehard

Active member
All traces of Obama being president are about to start disappearing. He is determined to prove beyond any doubt as he leaves he is the worst President any of us remember. Worse than Bush. Worse than Carter.
 

Bad Gopher

A Loner, A Rebel
I think it's perfectly reasonable to think several months ago that Julian Assange should be executed but today should receive a parade.
 
As someone who loudly opposes Trump but can maintain some semblance of objectivity, it is easy to identify Trump's rise as a repudiation of the modern political climate, along with the PC culture that has so ardently dominated the mainstream. Trump has galvanized the apolitical with disenfranchised democrats and republicans. His rise was empowered by a historically horrific candidate in Hillary Clinton. Trump will precede to redefine republicanism, leading secular conservatives/libertarians such as myself without a political party.

And if you think the republicans are going to be a mess, the democrats are in an even worse state.

Democrats have become everything they used to mock the republicans for being: the party of the old (leadership); the party of the rich; the anti-science party (gender issues); the zombie religious party (the god of global warming)... All the while, they are forced to pander to the socialist aspect of the party.
 

justthefacts

Active member
All traces of Obama being president are about to start disappearing. He is determined to prove beyond any doubt as he leaves he is the worst President any of us remember. Worse than Bush. Worse than Carter.
Trump is going so far as to erase opinions that Republicans held when Obama was President. Now that's thorough.
 

justthefacts

Active member
As someone who loudly opposes Trump but can maintain some semblance of objectivity, it is easy to identify Trump's rise as a repudiation of the modern political climate, along with the PC culture that has so ardently dominated the mainstream. Trump has galvanized the apolitical with disenfranchised democrats and republicans. His rise was empowered by a historically horrific candidate in Hillary Clinton. Trump will precede to redefine republicanism, leading secular conservatives/libertarians such as myself without a political party.

And if you think the republicans are going to be a mess, the democrats are in an even worse state.

Democrats have become everything they used to mock the republicans for being: the party of the old (leadership); the party of the rich; the anti-science party (gender issues); the zombie religious party (the god of global warming)... All the while, they are forced to pander to the socialist aspect of the party.
Nothing is more PC than liking free trade and disliking Putin. What a repudiation.

And nothing says you're not the party of the rich quite like nominating a cabinet worth $13B.
 

Plausible Deniability

Coffee is for closers
We already saw how Republicans completely changed their tune on Putin because Trump told them to (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/gop-russia-putin-support-232714)

Now, as we probably knew all along, Republicans have also recently decided that they dislike free trade.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/21/16-striking-findings-from-2016/
Absolutely looking forward to the next four years of your hard working posts, young man! From a purely entertainment aspect, it is going to be nothing short of wildly entertaining.

The amusing part is, you're really preaching to nobody; the Liberals all already agree with you and none of the conservatives ever will. So essentially you're working your Googler machine overtime to make yourself feel better about your position and, of course, to try to highlight just how massively more intelligent and perceptive you are than the average poster.

Keep doing the Lord's work! We will all stay tuned!
 

GopherJake

Active member
Absolutely looking forward to the next four years of your hard working posts, young man! From a purely entertainment aspect, it is going to be nothing short of wildly entertaining.

The amusing part is, you're really preaching to nobody; the Liberals all already agree with you and none of the conservatives ever will. So essentially you're working your Googler machine overtime to make yourself feel better about your position and, of course, to try to highlight just how massively more intelligent and perceptive you are than the average poster.

Keep doing the Lord's work! We will all stay tuned!
If you aren't a sock puppet, please proceed with a counter-argument. Do you have one? Or are you everything you hate?
 
And nothing says you're not the party of the rich quite like nominating a cabinet worth $13B.
I am so sorry about your condition. How long have you had sample dysmorphia? I would not know what I would do if I based opinions or formulated responses on microscopic sample sizes. Keep fighting the good fight!

To those not suffering from sample dysmorphia, I was referring to large areas in wealthy cities and counties heavily voting democrat: Manhattan and every other rich area in New York; Lincoln Park and every other rich area in Chicago; the hordes of wealth lying in Boston and San Francisco; Los Angeles and Houston. Then, there's the wealthy industries lying in Silicon Valley and Hollywood. Shoot, Hillary even had Wallstreet.

Of course, wealthy people reside in both parties. But democrats have fast become the party of the rich elitists and their PC agendas.
 
Since you are nothing more than a link-and-runner, I will jump in...


The polling industry is incredibly damaged, caused by the subjectivity of humans. But let us go with the premise that the link you provided is infallible. The flaw regarding the income related to political party falls in with the age disparity. Ready? (I know you are not; I do not have all day.)

That rather large gap in the youth vote (under 29) in favor of democrats? Yeah, the large majority of those young people are lily-white elitists living on their parents' income - either in college, "in-between careers", etc. And guess what? Those voters are checking the "under 30,000" box. But make no mistake about it - those lily-white 18-29-year-olds are swimming in money.

Yet even in ambiguity of category, democrats are right on par with republicans in the wealth department.

Your richest cities are largely democratic. Do not lose sight of that.
 

justthefacts

Active member
Since you are nothing more than a link-and-runner, I will jump in...


The polling industry is incredibly damaged, caused by the subjectivity of humans. But let us go with the premise that the link you provided is infallible. The flaw regarding the income related to political party falls in with the age disparity. Ready? (I know you are not; I do not have all day.)

That rather large gap in the youth vote (under 29) in favor of democrats? Yeah, the large majority of those young people are lily-white elitists living on their parents' income - either in college, "in-between careers", etc. And guess what? Those voters are checking the "under 30,000" box. But make no mistake about it - those lily-white 18-29-year-olds are swimming in money.

Yet even in ambiguity of category, democrats are right on par with republicans in the wealth department.

Your richest cities are largely democratic. Do not lose sight of that.
I like how you immediately dismiss the findings of polling firms, and offer only your assertions as evidence. And even those assertions provide no explanation for the Trump pluarlity among the upper incomes.

Here's some more analysis that income did not predict Trump voting and it doesn't use polls:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

I'd also point out that absolutely none of this has anything to do with Republicans changing their opinions so rapidly in the course of a year because their candidate's opinions differed from their own.
 

Plausible Deniability

Coffee is for closers
If you aren't a sock puppet, please proceed with a counter-argument. Do you have one? Or are you everything you hate?
What are you, his big brother? I'm having some fun at his expense, lighten up. The frequency at which he feels compelled to initiate threads is just a tad alarming, don't you think? Wowsers. It seems borderline hysterical/obsessive. Or should we all take ourselves so seriously?
 

Blizzard

Active member
What are you, his big brother? I'm having some fun at his expense, lighten up. The frequency at which he feels compelled to initiate threads is just a tad alarming, don't you think? Wowsers. It seems borderline hysterical/obsessive. Or should we all take ourselves so seriously?
I actually think facts is UpnorthGo4 who conspicuously disappeared after the election.
 

GopherJake

Active member
What are you, his big brother? I'm having some fun at his expense, lighten up. The frequency at which he feels compelled to initiate threads is just a tad alarming, don't you think? Wowsers. It seems borderline hysterical/obsessive. Or should we all take ourselves so seriously?
I think he provides good balance for the disinformation crew. You don't?

I actually think facts is UpnorthGo4 who conspicuously disappeared after the election.
It's clearly not. UNN is much more angry and a dick.
 
I like how you immediately dismiss the findings of polling firms, and offer only your assertions as evidence. And even those assertions provide no explanation for the Trump pluarlity among the upper incomes.

Here's some more analysis that income did not predict Trump voting and it doesn't use polls:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

I'd also point out that absolutely none of this has anything to do with Republicans changing their opinions so rapidly in the course of a year because their candidate's opinions differed from their own.
Of course those are my assertions - assertions supported by democrats representing the majority of the wealthiest districts in this country, along with the wealthiest cities. I then explained the flaw in the exit poll provided by the poster.

As for the transformative nature of Republican Trump voters: it will reshape the party. Trump's values are far more Democratic than Republican (federal minimum wage; infrastructure; gender bathrooms, single payer). Politics have become a sport in this country; blind homerism is the norm. So instead of admitting that they were wrong about Trump, they simply go with it. It is similar to Obama voters expressing that Obama was anything other than a horrible president.
 

GopherJake

Active member
Of course those are my assertions - assertions supported by democrats representing the majority of the wealthiest districts in this country, along with the wealthiest cities. I then explained the flaw in the exit poll provided by the poster.

As for the transformative nature of Republican Trump voters: it will reshape the party. Trump's values are far more Democratic than Republican (federal minimum wage; infrastructure; gender bathrooms, single payer). Politics have become a sport in this country; blind homerism is the norm. So instead of admitting that they were wrong about Trump, they simply go with it. It is similar to Obama voters expressing that Obama was anything other than a horrible president.
I'm leaning ShillGASock off this one.
 
Watching Republicans stand idly by while Trump threatens companies from doing business outside of the United States is quite telling. The reformation of the GOP is in full effect.

The latest gem is Trump threatening Toyota, a foreign-based company, from building a plant in Mexico with a "big border tax".
 

diehard

Active member
Watching Republicans stand idly by while Trump threatens companies from doing business outside of the United States is quite telling. The reformation of the GOP is in full effect.

The latest gem is Trump threatening Toyota, a foreign-based company, from building a plant in Mexico with a "big border tax".


Yeah, that's pretty awesome!
 

Sportsfan24

Active member
All traces of Obama being president are about to start disappearing. He is determined to prove beyond any doubt as he leaves he is the worst President any of us remember. Worse than Bush. Worse than Carter.
That's what it's always been about. Get rid of the ni66er. Then the racist united and elected Trump.

Sorry home slice, that black a$$ face will never be erased.


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bigtenchamps1899

credulous skeptic
We already saw how Republicans completely changed their tune on Putin because Trump told them to (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/gop-russia-putin-support-232714)

Now, as we probably knew all along, Republicans have also recently decided that they dislike free trade.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/12/21/16-striking-findings-from-2016/
serious question, what exactly is "trumpism"? i see a lot of people using the term merely as a pejorative, yet i've also seen it used in the new yorker.

does trumpism have tenets?

i disagree though that one can make sweeping judgements about a political party based on the rise of a popular figure within it.
 

cncmin

Well-known member
serious question, what exactly is "trumpism"? i see a lot of people using the term merely as a pejorative, yet i've also seen it used in the new yorker.

does trumpism have tenets?

i disagree though that one can make sweeping judgements about a political party based on the rise of a popular figure within it.
JtF is great with his posts and will probably make a far better answer, but I do use Trumpism, Trumpions, Trumpbots myself - what is glaring is how the Republican Party has claimed to stand for certain things for a very long, long time. Things like free trade, lower taxes, lower spending, their interpretation of upholding the "Constitution", smaller government, anti-Russians, etc. Now, they have also been hypocrites on many of their tenants for a long time too, for example lower spending, and smaller government.

Suddenly this blowhard Trump comes along and blows up the party, and these decades-long things they held dear the whole party seems to have flipped on its head. Honestly, it was pretty clear all along that except for the staunchest among them (such as S2), these things were never really "principles", rather something with which to attack government and political opponents - no more than calls of propaganda the vast majority of the time. Trump showed that none of these things really mattered; instead it was always more about political power to make big government completely in their mold, by whatever means necessary. That's what Republicans always were, not that which they claimed to be, and Trump has completely exposed their hypocrisy. Trumpism, then, is an amalgamation of the type of people that have long been Republicans - extreme nationalists, populists, and those who support the personal culture that goes along with being of that group - primarily among that, pro-1950s white America; the rest join or be damned.
 
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