Evangelical Lutheran Church just became America's first 'sanctuary church body"

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Finally, an evangelical church in America that is actually doing the work of Jesus. Will wonders never cease?


Evangelical Lutheran Church in America just became the country's first 'sanctuary church body'

The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, which represents nearly 3.5 million Christians, voted Wednesday to become the country's first "sanctuary church body," according to church officials. The measure, approved during a churchwide assembly in Milwaukee, pledges that in addition to providing shelter for undocumented immigrants, the ELCA could:

-- Respond to raids, deportations and the "criminalization" of immigrants and refugees;

-- Fight individual cases of deportation, press for the end of mass detentions and lift up immigrants' voices;

-- Take "prophetic action" to extend "radical hospitality" to immigrants and immigrant communities.

"Christians have offered sanctuary for 2,000 years, continuing an ancient biblical practice in which cities and houses of worship provided refuge and asylum for people fleeing injustice," said Christopher Vergara, who works on immigration issues in the ELCA's Metro New York Synod.

None of the proposed actions break US law, the church said. More than 800 churches and other faith communities have stepped up to provide sanctuary to undocumented immigrants in recent years, according to the National Sanctuary Movement.

Officials with a warrant can arrest undocumented immigrants regardless of whether they're at a church, synagogue or mosque, though US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, has said it generally avoids arrests at "sensitive locations," including houses of worship.

Read complete article at: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/08/us/lutheran-sanctuary-church/index.html
 
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What injustice are immigrants fleeing?


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Finally, an evangelical church in America that is actually doing the work of Jesus. Will wonders never cease?


https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/08/us/lutheran-sanctuary-church/index.html [/I]
This from the poster who previously said:

"I have more hatred in me than you can possibly imagine, and I find it energizing. The problem is i can't figure out who I hate more: the Trumpster or his mindless followers who demonstrate their ignorance, hypocrisy, and short sightedness every day in every possible way."
Cruze 8-15-19 GH post


hmmmm
 

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This from the poster who previously said:

"I have more hatred in me than you can possibly imagine, and I find it energizing. The problem is i can't figure out who I hate more: the Trumpster or his mindless followers who demonstrate their ignorance, hypocrisy, and short sightedness every day in every possible way."
Cruze 8-15-19 GH post


hmmmm
cruze a proven phony hypocrite ....consumed by hatred
 

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I mean, duh. Cruze is a commie.
 

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This is clearly a bad church that booj doesn't approve of. He prefers the judging part part of christianity more than the helping part.
 

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This is clearly a bad church that booj doesn't approve of. He prefers the judging part part of christianity more than the helping part.
Oh is it "judging" now that concerns you? Interesting. Can Trump be redeemed or do you judge him to be someone who cannot be saved? Stocker, it is Christians (and only Christians) that believe in redemption not by works but by faith. I guess you misunderstand the faith you criticize.
 

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Oh is it "judging" now that concerns you? Interesting. Can Trump be redeemed or do you judge him to be someone who cannot be saved? Stocker, it is Christians (and only Christians) that believe in redemption not by works but by faith. I guess you misunderstand the faith you criticize.
For starters...bravo. "Saved" does belong in quotes. And if faith allows you to be a crappy person and still be "saved"....something's gone wrong. But maybe that's why you bang the bible so hard?

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For starters...bravo. "Saved" does belong in quotes. And if faith allows you to be a crappy person and still be "saved"....something's gone wrong. But maybe that's why you bang the bible so hard?

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Very judgemental post ^^^
 

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I just finished reading "Notes of an Undocumented Citizen" by Jose Antonio Vargas. It's a thought compelling book. He brings up problems with our immigration system that we could certainly fix. He also reveals what people who are in survival mode will do to remain in this country.
I am pleased to see how many churches (the ELCA is just one) are working to help undocumented person's. I read about the Mennonites on the US-Mexican border who are tirelessly giving to care for the detainees as well as help ease the exhaustion of the men and women doing border patrol.
We can do so much better than we presently do to welcome in people who have gone through deep hardship. We must work hard to view all humanity as image bearers of the creator who deserve our respect.
 

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We are very active in our ELCA church...council, committees, youth stuff. I'm thankful for how "progessive" the church is...female clergy, recognizing gay marriage, and now this sanctuary thing. I'm not sure how this will change things in practice. Our church is very involved with Sudanese families, both migrants and local missions in Sudan. I assume we'll continue, just maybe more dedicated resources from the synod level. I'm sure there's a recruitment piece to it too. :)
 

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Very judgemental post ^^^
Ended with a question mark. So not exactly.

But at least I am not using a text written by humans and revised by humans as my basis for good and bad.
 

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The Bible has more manuscript evidence backing it than any other historical writing by a mile. It has stood the test of time. Those who adhere to it are not making up new codes for morality as we go along. The instructions in the Bible work. If you follow it, you have a better life and if society follows it, you have a better society. These are choices we have, it is not by force or coercion, it just is the way it is.
 

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We are very active in our ELCA church...council, committees, youth stuff. I'm thankful for how "progessive" the church is...female clergy, recognizing gay marriage, and now this sanctuary thing. I'm not sure how this will change things in practice. Our church is very involved with Sudanese families, both migrants and local missions in Sudan. I assume we'll continue, just maybe more dedicated resources from the synod level. I'm sure there's a recruitment piece to it too. :)
Does progressive ideology outweigh or out mode anything that the Bible actually teaches in your view? Just a question.
 

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The Bible has more manuscript evidence backing it than any other historical writing by a mile. It has stood the test of time. Those who adhere to it are not making up new codes for morality as we go along. The instructions in the Bible work. If you follow it, you have a better life and if society follows it, you have a better society. These are choices we have, it is not by force or coercion, it just is the way it is.
Lol....a bunch of "evidence" written by a bunch a frauds. And there's nothing to back...."because God told me".

LOL!

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Does progressive ideology outweigh or out mode anything that the Bible actually teaches in your view? Just a question.
The Bible informs and re-enforces my progressive ideology, rather than contradict. So, no.
 

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The Bible informs and re-enforces my progressive ideology, rather than contradict. So, no.
Agreed. There is no way i would have the progressive, liberal, and socialist views I do but for my 12 years of education in private religious schools. Both my parents were very conservative in their religious and political views. Everything I learned at those schools convinced my that right wing politics are not in accordance with the Holy Bible and the teachings of Jesus.
 

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The Bible informs and re-enforces my progressive ideology, rather than contradict. So, no.
The bible advocates the use of government to force individuals to be charitable and good christians? or does it recommend voluntary individual action?
 

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Agreed. There is no way i would have the progressive, liberal, and socialist views I do but for my 12 years of education in private religious schools. Both my parents were very conservative in their religious and political views. Everything I learned at those schools convinced my that right wing politics are not in accordance with the Holy Bible and the teachings of Jesus.
Yes, Soviet Russia was exactly what Jesus had in mind with his teachings.
 

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The Bible has more manuscript evidence backing it than any other historical writing by a mile. It has stood the test of time. Those who adhere to it are not making up new codes for morality as we go along. The instructions in the Bible work. If you follow it, you have a better life and if society follows it, you have a better society. These are choices we have, it is not by force or coercion, it just is the way it is.
Beeg out bible thumping again, thread after thread after thread.
 

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The bible advocates the use of government to force individuals to be charitable and good christians? or does it recommend voluntary individual action?
What does the Bible say?

1. Romans 13:1-7 “Every person must obey the leaders of the land. There is no power given but from God, and all leaders are allowed by God. The person who does not obey the leaders of the land is working against what God has done. Anyone who does that will be punished..”

2.Titus 3:1-2 “Remind your people to obey the government and its officers, and always to be obedient and ready for any honest work. They must not speak evil of anyone, nor quarrel, but be gentle and truly courteous to all.”

3. 1 Peter 2:13-16 “Therefore, be subject to every human ordinance that is of the Lord, whether it be to a king or to a superior, and unto governors as unto those that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those that do well. For this is the will of God, that in well doing ye may silence the ignorance of vain men, as being free, yet not using your liberty to cover maliciousness, but as slaves of God.”

4. Proverbs 3:27 “Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act.”

5. Mark 12:14-17 "... Tell us, is it right to pay taxes to Caesar? Should we pay them or not?” But Jesus knew that these men were really trying to trick him. He said, “Why are you trying to catch me saying something wrong? Bring me a silver coin. Let me see it.” They gave Jesus a coin and he asked, “Whose picture is on the coin? And whose name is written on it?” They answered, “It is Caesar’s picture and Caesar’s name.” Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.” The men were amazed at what Jesus said.”
 
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What does the Bible say?

1. Romans 13:1-7 “Every person must obey the leaders of the land. There is no power given but from God, and all leaders are allowed by God. The person who does not obey the leaders of the land is working against what God has done. Anyone who does that will be punished..”

2.Titus 3:1-2 “Remind your people to obey the government and its officers, and always to be obedient and ready for any honest work. They must not speak evil of anyone, nor quarrel, but be gentle and truly courteous to all.”

3. 1 Peter 2:13-16 “Therefore, be subject to every human ordinance that is of the Lord, whether it be to a king or to a superior, and unto governors as unto those that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those that do well. For this is the will of God, that in well doing ye may silence the ignorance of vain men, as being free, yet not using your liberty to cover maliciousness, but as slaves of God.”

4. Proverbs 3:27 “Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, when it is in your power to act.”

5. Mark 12:14-17 "... Tell us, is it right to pay taxes to Caesar? Should we pay them or not?” But Jesus knew that these men were really trying to trick him. He said, “Why are you trying to catch me saying something wrong? Bring me a silver coin. Let me see it.” They gave Jesus a coin and he asked, “Whose picture is on the coin? And whose name is written on it?” They answered, “It is Caesar’s picture and Caesar’s name.” Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.” The men were amazed at what Jesus said.”
"be obedient" isn't an endorsement of any ideology. Would 1-2 not apply to Hitler? Surely you don't believe Christianity supports Hitler's socialist nazi ideology?

4) references voluntary action, I assume you are as ignorant of that word as Jammer.
5) sounds like an endorsement of cryptocurrency.

Good fail. None of that is an endorsement of ideology. Conversely, there are too many bible passages to post, encouraging voluntary individual action. If this is the best you can do to show that the bible favors compulsory charity over voluntary, you have failed. But I also know that a vile communist like you isn't a christian at all. You got that list from the latest edition of Jacobin.
 

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Ended with a question mark. So not exactly.

But at least I am not using a text written by humans and revised by humans as my basis for good and bad.
What do you use as your defining measure?
 

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Lol....a bunch of "evidence" written by a bunch a frauds. And there's nothing to back...."because God told me".

LOL!

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Frauds?
I'm not sure how many frauds actually die for their cause.
 
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