Don't be surprised if it's not a wall

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The republicans held the house and senate, why didn't they?

Obama deported a lot of illegals. More than your dear leader.
What if we didn't have to deport illegals anymore? Obama's border patrol and legal system had to deport a lot of illegals because he tacitly invited so many to come by encouraging open borders, sanctuary cities and lax enforcement. In Chicago there are a ton more arrests for violence than in Minneapolis. Does that mean Chicago has better law and order or does it mean that violence is just more rampant?

The best solution is to have a wall. Pinch the traffic to the gates and increase the manpower there. Stop more drugs. Stop more illegal crossings. Free up the courts to spend more time on legal immigration and letting people in the right way for the right reasons with the right qualifications. A chance to save a large portion of $150 billion with a 5.7 billion section and then complete the deal with another 15- 20 billion when it is proven to work- as it will be.

Following that, we identify everyone who is here and crime free and deal with them in a fair way to be determined by congress and the president. The rest should be promptly taken out of the country. Empty the prisons of the gangsters and dump them back in Mexico where they belong.
 

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What if we didn't have to deport illegals anymore? Obama's border patrol and legal system had to deport a lot of illegals because he tacitly invited so many to come by encouraging open borders, sanctuary cities and lax enforcement. In Chicago there are a ton more arrests for violence than in Minneapolis. Does that mean Chicago has better law and order or does it mean that violence is just more rampant?

The best solution is to have a wall. Pinch the traffic to the gates and increase the manpower there. Stop more drugs. Stop more illegal crossings. Free up the courts to spend more time on legal immigration and letting people in the right way for the right reasons with the right qualifications. A chance to save a large portion of $150 billion with a 5.7 billion section and then complete the deal with another 15- 20 billion when it is proven to work- as it will be.

Following that, we identify everyone who is here and crime free and deal with them in a fair way to be determined by congress and the president. The rest should be promptly taken out of the country. Empty the prisons of the gangsters and dump them back in Mexico where they belong.
No it's not, I have clearly proven that over and over to you. You are a lost cause. Spend the money elsewhere, actually fix some problems then build your stupid monument to your god.
 

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I don't know if it will work or not. I say build the damn thing and see what happens. We can always add electricity later.
 

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I don't know if it will work or not. I say build the damn thing and see what happens. We can always add electricity later.
Seize JJMD’s house with no compensation eminent domain, tear it down, and build a turtle conservation pond in its place. I don’t know if it will help conserve turtles ... but it doesn’t harm me any, so let’s try it!

All those in favor vote yea. The yea’s have it!
 

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Uh oh. 2 and other outraged Libertarians will be calling for Trump's impeachment any minute now....
 

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Uh oh. 2 and other outraged Libertarians will be calling for Trump's impeachment any minute now....
Yes, I would vote for impeachment and installment of President Pence.
 

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Uh oh. 2 and other outraged Libertarians will be calling for Trump's impeachment any minute now....
I do consider these provisions of the eminent domain law to be one of the stains of the Depression-era programs - an outgrowth of the zeal and urgency to implement the WPA, CCC and TVA. I'm actually kind of surprised it's been kept on the books and/or has survived any constitutional challenges.

When it comes to property rights I'm practically a right winger. My personal conviction is that the property tax is wrong - probably not explicitly unconstitutional but goes against the founding principles of the country. The eminent domain law is a necessary evil but an evil nevertheless.
 

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I do consider these provisions of the eminent domain law to be one of the stains of the Depression-era programs - an outgrowth of the zeal and urgency to implement the WPA, CCC and TVA. I'm actually kind of surprised it's been kept on the books and/or has survived any constitutional challenges.

When it comes to property rights I'm practically a right winger. My personal conviction is that the property tax is wrong - probably not explicitly unconstitutional but goes against the founding principles of the country. The eminent domain law is a necessary evil but an evil nevertheless.
A lot of what FDR did was unconstitutional, which is why he wanted to pack the court. Socialism and American republicanism are not compatible. Socialism can only be done at the state level.
 

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No it's not, I have clearly proven that over and over to you. You are a lost cause. Spend the money elsewhere, actually fix some problems then build your stupid monument to your god.
Youve proven nothing. You ignore the $$ djt plan is giving to the ports.

Barriers work.
 

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The offer is 5.7 billion for the wall in exchange for DACA. That's on the table.
Hell of a deal.

I will come over to your house and take one of your three cars. I will then “negotiate” with you by asking for one of your remaining two cars in place of the one I took.

Hell of a deal.



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No it's not, I have clearly proven that over and over to you. You are a lost cause. Spend the money elsewhere, actually fix some problems then build your stupid monument to your god.
You haven't proven jacksh!t.
 

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I do consider these provisions of the eminent domain law to be one of the stains of the Depression-era programs - an outgrowth of the zeal and urgency to implement the WPA, CCC and TVA. I'm actually kind of surprised it's been kept on the books and/or has survived any constitutional challenges.

When it comes to property rights I'm practically a right winger. My personal conviction is that the property tax is wrong - probably not explicitly unconstitutional but goes against the founding principles of the country. The eminent domain law is a necessary evil but an evil nevertheless.
Any tax can be made reasonable and ethical by making it sharply progressive. There’s only so much wealth a person really needs anyway.

And what does it say about a supposed “businessman” who wants to shave off more and more of his business’s revenue as personal profit, instead of investing it back into the business?? So you can’t use the motivation to succeed argument.
 

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Any tax can be made reasonable and ethical by making it sharply progressive. There’s only so much wealth a person really needs anyway.

And what does it say about a supposed “businessman” who wants to shave off more and more of his business’s revenue as personal profit, instead of investing it back into the business?? So you can’t use the motivation to succeed argument.
You continue to present yourself as younger and less experienced than dorker08. Not a pretty picture.
 

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You haven't proven jacksh!t.
This is the list of crises beeg is trying to solve with the wall (his list not mine)
1. 20 million illegals in the country (already in the country)
2. spend 150 billion a year on them
3. Stop drugs from coming across the border
4. Save lives of people addicted to narcotics
5. courts are back logged with asylum seekers

How does the wall fix any of these? It doesn't as i have already said:
1. The wall won't deport people already here
2. see 1
3. the drugs already come through ports of entry a wall does not stop that
4. see 3 and people become addicted due to legal drugs already here
5. does nothing to help the courts

These are the great crises beeg needs to solve immediately but a wall does nothing for any of them. It's a joke. Take the money and actually address one of the problems and make a difference.
 

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This is the list of crises beeg is trying to solve with the wall (his list not mine)
1. 20 million illegals in the country (already in the country)
2. spend 150 billion a year on them
3. Stop drugs from coming across the border
4. Save lives of people addicted to narcotics
5. courts are back logged with asylum seekers

How does the wall fix any of these? It doesn't as i have already said:
1. The wall won't deport people already here
2. see 1
3. the drugs already come through ports of entry a wall does not stop that
4. see 3 and people become addicted due to legal drugs already here
5. does nothing to help the courts

These are the great crises beeg needs to solve immediately but a wall does nothing for any of them. It's a joke. Take the money and actually address one of the problems and make a difference.
Great post!

Here’s what I wonder: what is the history of a border wall being a thing??? Would love to read an in-depth article on that or watch an in-depth video. As a matter of simple fact: Trump sure as heck didn’t dream this s___ up. Trump only ever spouted what he was told to spout by the Mercer’s and their lieutenants installed at his side.

Who dreamed it up?? And what was the original idea for how it could be a good thing to someone?? There had to have been someone getting paid under the table kickback to get the contract, or something.
 

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This is the list of crises beeg is trying to solve with the wall (his list not mine)
1. 20 million illegals in the country (already in the country)
2. spend 150 billion a year on them
3. Stop drugs from coming across the border
4. Save lives of people addicted to narcotics
5. courts are back logged with asylum seekers

How does the wall fix any of these? It doesn't as i have already said:
1. The wall won't deport people already here
2. see 1
3. the drugs already come through ports of entry a wall does not stop that
4. see 3 and people become addicted due to legal drugs already here
5. does nothing to help the courts

These are the great crises beeg needs to solve immediately but a wall does nothing for any of them. It's a joke. Take the money and actually address one of the problems and make a difference.
Lie some more Assmaster. Barriers work. Keep out trash. Like Assmaster.
 

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Nope. The wall alone is not a cure all. I think all the thinking people realize that. Obviously you do, you pointed it out.

This is the list of crises beeg is trying to solve with the wall (his list not mine)
1. 20 million illegals in the country (already in the country)

Cut off the benefits and jobs. They self deport. Those that are conflicted criminals should already be scheduled. The unfortunate part is many or most are back in a couple if weeks. Thus the need for strong border security and that does require a barrier/wall.

2. spend 150 billion a year on them

The correct figure estimated for last year is $156B. Not a real difference. It is totally unnecessary.


3. Stop drugs from coming across the border

It won't stop all, but a wall with improved border crossing efforts it will be reduced significantly. It might raise the price of your weed, but I will accept that. Reducing demand is the bigger need. Quit smoking dope.


4. Save lives of people addicted to narcotics

Yes, clearly a reduced supply will reduce addiction, but again reducing the demand is most important. Jesus saves. It is the hole in your soul that makes you crave a high.


5. courts are back logged with asylum seekers

Pretty obvious. Less illegally crossing means less claiming bogus asylum. The money also goes to add immigration judges and courts close to the border to get rid of the current backlog.

How does the wall fix any of these? It doesn't as i have already said:
1. The wall won't deport people already here
2. see 1
3. the drugs already come through ports of entry a wall does not stop that
4. see 3 and people become addicted due to legal drugs already here
5. does nothing to help the courts

These are the great crises beeg needs to solve immediately but a wall does nothing for any of them. It's a joke. Take the money and actually address one of the problems and make a difference.

You stand corrected. Your echo chamber has not been honest with you. Open yourself up to more accurate information.
 

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This is the list of crises beeg is trying to solve with the wall (his list not mine)
1. 20 million illegals in the country (already in the country)
2. spend 150 billion a year on them
3. Stop drugs from coming across the border
4. Save lives of people addicted to narcotics
5. courts are back logged with asylum seekers

How does the wall fix any of these? It doesn't as i have already said:
1. The wall won't deport people already here
2. see 1
3. the drugs already come through ports of entry a wall does not stop that
4. see 3 and people become addicted due to legal drugs already here
5. does nothing to help the courts

These are the great crises beeg needs to solve immediately but a wall does nothing for any of them. It's a joke. Take the money and actually address one of the problems and make a difference.
Here's the counter argument:
it prevents more people from coming in illegally.
it prevents 20 million illegals from becoming 30 million
it prevents 150 billion from becoming 250 billion
it prevents border cartel and gang violence from spilling over
 

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Here's the counter argument:
it prevents more people from coming in illegally.
it prevents 20 million illegals from becoming 30 million
it prevents 150 billion from becoming 250 billion
it prevents border cartel and gang violence from spilling over
Illegal border crossings are way down but visa over stays are up. Why is the border the crisis?

All your counter arguments blown out of the water.
 

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Take the handcuffs of ICE. Problem solved. You really only have bogus arguments.
 

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Nope. The wall alone is not a cure all. I think all the thinking people realize that. Obviously you do, you pointed it out.
1l Cut off the benefits and jobs. They self deport. Those that are conflicted criminals should already be scheduled. The unfortunate part is many or most are back in a couple if weeks. Thus the need for strong border security and that does require a barrier/wall.

2. The correct figure estimated for last year is $156B. Not a real difference. It is totally unnecessary.

3. It won't stop all, but a wall with improved border crossing efforts it will be reduced significantly. It might raise the price of your weed, but I will accept that. Reducing demand is the bigger need. Quit smoking dope.

4. es, clearly a reduced supply will reduce addiction, but again reducing the demand is most important. Jesus saves. It is the hole in your soul that makes you crave a high.

5. Pretty obvious. Less illegally crossing means less claiming bogus asylum. The money also goes to add immigration judges and courts close to the border to get rid of the current backlog.



You stand corrected. Your echo chamber has not been honest with you. Open yourself up to more accurate information.
1. a border wall does nothing to cut off the benefits so no this is a horrible argument on your part
2. a 6 billion dollar difference on a number beeg reported (not mine) ok what is your argument
3. It won't stop any, very little is carried across the border. the narcotics are coming through the ports. If you honestly cared you'd spend the money there but you don't honestly care.
4. no it won't, the majority of people getting addicted to opioids are getting addicted by legal pharmaceuticals
5. They can claim asylum from across the border they don't need to cross.
 

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Take the handcuffs of ICE. Problem solved. You really only have bogus arguments.
Sure, give them the 5.7 billion. That would be a much better use of the money and actually solve one of the listed crises.
 

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Sure, give them the 5.7 billion. That would be a much better use of the money and actually solve one of the listed crises.
You are not a problem solver. You are strictly a binary thinker. Guess it comes from taking orders from doctors all day.
 

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My argument
legalize drugs - destroy the cartels
eliminate foreign aid
eliminate minimum wages
eliminate federal welfare

open borders
 

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You are not a problem solver. You are strictly a binary thinker. Guess it comes from taking orders from doctors all day.
Have never been ordered by a doctor. Just answer their questions and correct their mistakes.
 
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