DOJ to U.S. Capitol Insurrectionists: "We have over 100,000 video clips, many thousands of tips, and a very long reach" - "We're coming for you" -

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DOJ official says he expects they will charge "hundreds" of rioters in the coming weeks - prosecutors have "marching orders" to pursue sedition and conspiracy cases

DC US Attorney Michael Sherwin and Steven D'Antuono, an FBI assistant director out of Washington, vowed on Tuesday to leave no stone unturned as they treat the investigation of Capitol rioters similar to terrorism.

Sherwin said he gave his prosecutors "marching orders" to pursue significant sedition and conspiracy cases as well related to the insurrection. The Justice Department has already charged 70 cases, and Sherwin said he believes that number will grow into the 100s, and already arrested individuals may face more serious crimes.

The FBI is tracking money, travel records, movements of people and communications in addition to following tips from the public and footage and photos from the scene on Jan. 6.

On the types of cases that DOJ is charging, Sherwin said, the "gamut of cases" and misconduct that they're looking at "is really mind-blowing."
"We're looking at everything from simple trespass to theft of mail, to theft of digital devices while inside the Capitol, to assault on local officers, federal officers both outside and inside the Capitol, to the theft of potential national security information or national defense information to felony murder and even civil rights excessive force investigations," he said.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...s-01-12-21/h_7af2fa0aa4360489f8f69390ae076f46
 
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You cannot pre-emptively pardon a person right?

And they can only pardon someone after they are convicted right?
 

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From what I understand, you can preemptively pardon, however, you would have to state precisely what you are pardoning yourself from without being vague - which in doing could open up all other sorts of cans-o-worms, depending on the crime.
 

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I remember asking if Trump could be given a blanket pardon for all future federal crimes, even if they hadn't been charges yet, and it seemed that people thought it could be done (and was done once? Nixon?). Can't quite remember.
 

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I remember asking if Trump could be given a blanket pardon for all future federal crimes, even if they hadn't been charges yet, and it seemed that people thought it could be done (and was done once? Nixon?). Can't quite remember.
Can't pardon himself.
 

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FBI contacted after two Huntington Beach people posted about being at Capitol riot

At least two Huntington Beach far-right activists were at the U.S. Capitol Building last week when it was stormed by a pro-Trump mob protesting the presidential election results.

Kristopher Dreww and Michelle Peterson each posted videos on their social media accounts on Jan. 6, the day Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol, delaying the counting of electoral votes and the certification of the election in favor of President-elect Joe Biden. The videos have since been deleted.

Huntington Beach Police Department interim Chief Julian Harvey said Monday that authorities were aware of the two activists and would help the FBI with information if necessary.

https://www.latimes.com/california/...ght-activists-were-at-u-s-capitol-during-riot
 

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US Attorney: Looking at sedition and conspiracy cases
Officials at the FBI and Department of Justice give their first briefing on the pro-Trump rioters that stormed the Capitol.


"I think people are going to be shocked with some of the egregious contact that happened within the Capitol".

 

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You cannot pre-emptively pardon a person right?

And they can only pardon someone after they are convicted right?
Incorrect, the president can eliminate any federal charges even unannounced charges. Only thing he can't pardon is future actions.
 

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Incorrect, the president can eliminate any federal charges even unannounced charges. Only thing he can't pardon is future actions.
Thankfully, Trump doesn't give a $%^^ about any of his cult members who would "die for him" and is unlikely to do that.

Having to sign sheets of paper for each of them, one at a time? Too much work. Too many Trump family pardons to sign instead.
 

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DOJ official says he expects they will charge "hundreds" of rioters in the coming weeks - prosecutors have "marching orders" to pursue sedition and conspiracy cases

DC US Attorney Michael Sherwin and Steven D'Antuono, an FBI assistant director out of Washington, vowed on Tuesday to leave no stone unturned as they treat the investigation of Capitol rioters similar to terrorism.

Sherwin said he gave his prosecutors "marching orders" to pursue significant sedition and conspiracy cases as well related to the insurrection. The Justice Department has already charged 70 cases, and Sherwin said he believes that number will grow into the 100s, and already arrested individuals may face more serious crimes.

The FBI is tracking money, travel records, movements of people and communications in addition to following tips from the public and footage and photos from the scene on Jan. 6.

On the types of cases that DOJ is charging, Sherwin said, the "gamut of cases" and misconduct that they're looking at "is really mind-blowing."


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...s-01-12-21/h_7af2fa0aa4360489f8f69390ae076f46
If I find out that any of these terrorists falsified documents to get a FISA warrant, I’m going to be livid.
 

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Thankfully, Trump doesn't give a $%^^ about any of his cult members who would "die for him" and is unlikely to do that.

Having to sign sheets of paper for each of them, one at a time? Too much work. Too many Trump family pardons to sign instead.
Good point - there's nothing in it for him to pardon them
 

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There's a definite line being drawn in the sand now.

Wing nut playtime, with costumes and chest thumping and buffoonery, is just about over.
 

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See how Trump's language was echoed by rioters
As the House prepares to vote on impeaching President Donald Trump to condemn his role inciting the riot at the US Capitol, CNN looks at the language Trump used and how it was echoed by rioters.\\



 

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I think this is an open question. He seems to think he can.
What doesn't he think he can do?

Here's the key scenario: On January 21, 2021, Biden issues himself a blanket pardon for all illegal acts he will commit for the next 4 years. Is that legal?

Absolutely not. Completely unconstitutional.
 

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What doesn't he think he can do?

Here's the key scenario: On January 21, 2021, Biden issues himself a blanket pardon for all illegal acts he will commit for the next 4 years. Is that legal?

Absolutely not. Completely unconstitutional.
I think the difference there is forward looking vs backward looking.

What if on Jan 19 (or 20, whichever is the last moment possible), Trump issues a blanket pardon for himself on any charges brought forth for any federal crimes committed during his term?

I think that's the open question, of if the constitution supports it.
 

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I think the difference there is forward looking vs backward looking.

What if on Jan 19 (or 20, whichever is the last moment possible), Trump issues a blanket pardon for himself on any charges brought forth for any federal crimes committed during his term?

I think that's the open question, of if the constitution supports it.
We already know forward and backward looking pardons are legal.

The only variable that's in question is can you pardon yourself. Absolutely not. That would make the nation lawless.
 

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Will his kids get pardoned, just in case?
 

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We already know forward and backward looking pardons are legal.

The only variable that's in question is can you pardon yourself. Absolutely not. That would make the nation lawless.
I think the reality is that the language in the constitution is vauge and has to be interpreted, so it will eventually come down to SC interpretation. We have seen, so far, that the three Trump appointed justices haven't exactly "played ball" in rulings. So, I guess we will just have to see what happens.
 

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Will his kids get pardoned, just in case?
Final days bring new urgency to Trump's desire to pardon himself and his children

President Donald Trump has discussed issuing pardons for himself and his children with new urgency since the attack on the US Capitol, multiple sources familiar with the matter tell CNN.\

One source familiar with the conversations says there is a belief that a Trump "pardon of family and kids, is more likely and more urgent because a pardon could stave off prosecution."
The source familiar with White House conversations said that Trump might issue a blanket pardon to cover himself and his children up until the time he leaves office, adding, from Trump's point of view, "it makes sense to just cover it all."

One source said that Trump intends to issue pardons beyond just his family members. "More people than you would expect. Rudy is an obvious one," the person said, referring to Trump's personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani. "And lots of discussions about current staff."

The White House had planned to release a group of pardons last week, but it was delayed because of the riots, according to two sources familiar with the matter. Presidential pardon power is untested and sources say both Barr and Cipollone thought it would be a bad idea for Trump to try to pardon himself.

Barr believes a 1974 Justice Department legal memo finding that the president cannot pardon himself should stand, and Cipollone has not asked the Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel for a re-examination of the issue, according to two sources. The memo clearly states that under "the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the President cannot pardon himself."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/trump-pardons-children-attacks-capitol/index.html
 

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Presidential pardon immunity extends only to federal crimes, not violations of state criminal statutes.

District of Columbia Councilmember Robert White, called on D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine this week to assess whether the filing of criminal charges against Trump in D.C. would be justified.

D.C. law makes it a crime to “willfully incite or urge other persons to engage in a riot,” and violations are punishable by up to six months imprisonment.

A spokesman for Racine told the news outlet DCist that his office was reviewing White’s inquiry, and Racine, in a televised interview, held open the possibility of pursuing charges.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/533456-trump-in-new-legal-jeopardy-after-capitol-riots
 
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