Do you wear a mask?

When you go out to places like the grocery store, do you wear a mask?

  • Yes, I think it helps slow the spread

    Votes: 62 43.1%
  • Yes, I'm not sure how much it helps but it's no big deal to wear one

    Votes: 37 25.7%
  • Yes, but only because I'm required to

    Votes: 12 8.3%
  • No, I don't think it helps

    Votes: 15 10.4%
  • No, It's my decision/I'm healthy so not at risk

    Votes: 12 8.3%
  • No, They're uncomfortable/can't use them due to a health condition

    Votes: 2 1.4%
  • No, it makes us look weak/I'm not going to live in fear

    Votes: 9 6.3%
  • Other, post below

    Votes: 8 5.6%

  • Total voters
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Pompous Elitist

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Don’t make me go back and dredge up the posts last fall/winter blaming the MN surge on the rural white rednecks. That is sort of your ongoing schtick in numerous threads.

I tend to remember the ridiculous stuff but am willing to eat my shoe if it was somebody else. I don’t think so.
 

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You completely ignored what I wrote. The tweet was based off of cases because it's the easiest to track. My latest post discussed hospitalizations, which should be the number 1 statistic, because thats why we shut down in the first place.

The variants are everywhere and have been for months. That's not just a MI and MN thing. Community spread will always be a thing because this is never going away.

The states that are doing the worst currently, with both cases and hospitalizations, are the states with mask mandates and tighter restrictions. It's more proof that once again mask mandates and restrictions do nothing to slow the spread.

But that Science was already known pre-COVID.
Cases were used in this instance because it made MN look even worse than the reality. If hospitalizations is the best statistic (which I agree with along with deaths) why wasn’t it used to begin with? Because the difference wouldn’t be as large.

Your argument essentially seems to be that because MN is doing worse right now, that proves mitigation efforts don’t work even though MN has lower hospitalization and death numbers overall than these two states. That a snapshot in time tells us more than the whole thing.

The variants are not equally prevalent in every state.

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Ah, your false obsession with pretending that months ago opinions/decisions still matter in the slightest in a fast evolving situation.

Pretty weak, to be honest. Take the L like a man.




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I love how GH has moved Florida into the “restricted states” column now. If the data doesn’t match the narrative, change the data.
I remember way back when Howie suggested Florida’s loose restrictions was helping to cause a 7-state surge in the Midwest/Northeast. smh
I think part of the problem is everyone continues to lump entire states into lockdown/no lockdown states. For instance, Florida and S Dakota are many times both considered “open states” and MN a “lockdown”state. The reality is FL (at least in their highest population areas) is closer to MN as far as mask wearing and other mitigation due to local mandates.

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I think part of the problem is everyone continues to lump entire states into lockdown/no lockdown states. For instance, Florida and S Dakota are many times both considered “open states” and MN a “lockdown”state. The reality is FL (at least in their highest population areas) is closer to MN as far as mask wearing and other mitigation due to local mandates.

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So Florida, Texas, and other states are doing well because their population centers are wearing masks?

But Michigan, Illinois, and Minnesota are doing worse because the entire state is wearing a mask?
 

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Has anyone, ever, even once, put forth an actual, logical, plausible argument for how it could even be possible that wearing masks would not have any effect, whatsoever, on transmission of a highly contagious virus that spreads via aerosols?

GWG never has. Not one time.
 

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So Florida, Texas, and other states are doing well because their population centers are wearing masks?

But Michigan, Illinois, and Minnesota are doing worse because the entire state is wearing a mask?
Why are you obcessed with masks?

I just don't get it, of anything to be pissed about, masks is like dead last on my list. Basically every other restriction is more onerous than masks which essentially have no affect on how you live your life.
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So Florida, Texas, and other states are doing well because their population centers are wearing masks?

But Michigan, Illinois, and Minnesota are doing worse because the entire state is wearing a mask?
You continue to focus on the right now instead of the whole picture. MN has lower deaths than all those states. Since last summer, when mitigation efforts could actually make a difference, Michigan and Minnesota have the lowest number of deaths in the states you mentioned. States like Florida and Texas have done alright because of local efforts. There’s really no disputing that areas with the higher efforts have done better overall.
 

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You continue to focus on the right now instead of the whole picture. MN has lower deaths than all those states. Since last summer, when mitigation efforts could actually make a difference, Michigan and Minnesota have the lowest number of deaths in the states you mentioned. States like Florida and Texas have done alright because of local efforts. There’s really no disputing that areas with the higher efforts have done better overall.

Why wouldn't we focus on right now? Why wouldn't the states that have done the best, in your opinion all along, still be doing the best right now? They're still the most restricted and still have mask mandates.
 

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Why wouldn't we focus on right now? Why wouldn't the states that have done the best, in your opinion all along, still be doing the best right now? They're still the most restricted and still have mask mandates.
Because the goal is to limit overall hospitalizations and deaths, and it isn’t a daily competition?

Pandemics have a history of waves and this one is no different. The peaks and valleys happen at different times.
 

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Because the goal is to limit overall hospitalizations and deaths, and it isn’t a daily competition?

Pandemics have a history of waves and this one is no different. The peaks and valleys happen at different times.

Actually they really don't. If you compare the peaks and valleys of Covid to the Spanish flu, they are very similar. Although the Spanish flu was significantly more deadly.

And Michigan has more hospitalizations now than they did one year ago, and they were one of the worst states at that time. They've been one of the most restricted states over the past year, so how did that happen?
 

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Actually they really don't. If you compare the peaks and valleys of Covid to the Spanish flu, they are very similar. Although the Spanish flu was significantly more deadly.

And Michigan has more hospitalizations now than they did one year ago, and they were one of the worst states at that time. They've been one of the most restricted states over the past year, so how did that happen?
None of this comes within miles of a cogent, plausible argument for why wearing a mask would make no difference at all in the transmission of a highly contagious virus spread via aerosols.

We're waiting GWG.

You don't have the nutsack, or the ability, I'm afraid.
 

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Has anyone, ever, even once, put forth an actual, logical, plausible argument for how it could even be possible that wearing masks would not have any effect, whatsoever, on transmission of a highly contagious virus that spreads via aerosols?

GWG never has. Not one time.

Good post. Anyone who trys to make the case that wearing masks has zero effect on the transmission of Covid-19 via aerosols is as stupid as the people who try to make the case that every country on earth pumping massive amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere for 200 years will have no effect on the earth's climate. Science deniers are idiots and bad human beings. Nothing else needs to be said about them other than to ridicule them at every opportunity.
 
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Bloomington hockey coach fatally punched following dispute about social distancing in restroom at St. Paul bar​


A St. Paul man was charged Monday with punching and unintentionally killing a Bloomington hockey coach outside a bar following a dispute over social distance rules. Bloomington Jefferson High School coach Michael G. Ryan, 48, was found by officers outside Herbie's On the Park at 317 Washington St. about 11 p.m. Saturday.

Witnesses told police that Ryan Whisler, 44, punched Ryan, who then fell backward and hit his head on concrete at the bottom of stairs, according to the criminal complaint The Ramsey County Attorney's Office charged Whisler with second-degree murder on Monday. The charge said Whisler caused Ryan's death without intent. According to the complaint, Whisler punched a hole into cellophane that was put in place over a urinal to encourage social distancing, then took a cellphone video of himself urinating into it. Ryan called Whisler out on it as they were leaving the bar.

The verbal confrontation was cooling down when the men and their friends got outside, a witness said. Then Whisler pulled Ryan's mask from his face and grabbed his shirt, the complaint said. Witnesses tried to separate the two, and a friend of Whisler's friend seemed to be directing him away when Whisler punched Ryan in the face, the complaint says. When Ryan's friend said he was calling the police, Whisler and his friend fled in a vehicle. Whisler then came back, picked up an object from the stairs and fled again, the complaint said.

Ryan was diagnosed with a brain injury at Regions Hospital. On Sunday, life support was removed. Whisler turned himself in to St. Paul police that day. The Ramsey County Medical Examiner's Office said Ryan's cause of death was a traumatic brain injury because of the assault and subsequent fall. It said the manner of death was a homicide.

The Bloomington Jefferson girls' hockey team asked for prayers for his wife and daughters. "He will be dearly missed by his wife and daughters and the Bloomington hockey community," the team wrote on Twitter.

https://www.startribune.com/bloomin...ched-following-dispute-st-paul-bar/600047865/
 
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Actually they really don't. If you compare the peaks and valleys of Covid to the Spanish flu, they are very similar. Although the Spanish flu was significantly more deadly.

And Michigan has more hospitalizations now than they did one year ago, and they were one of the worst states at that time. They've been one of the most restricted states over the past year, so how did that happen?
States and areas of the country have seen their peaks at different times. MN saw their peaks so far in May and November. Michigan in April and beginning of December. Florida and Texas July and January. Different times for different areas.

Michigan is a hotbed for the British variant that appears to be affecting younger people more than previously. There’s more outbreaks in schools than previously. Younger people make up a greater percentage of the hospitalizations. The variant is more contagious and is spreading easily through parts of the population Covid wasn’t previously.

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States and areas of the country have seen their peaks at different times. MN saw their peaks so far in May and November. Michigan in April and beginning of December. Florida and Texas July and January. Different times for different areas.

Michigan is a hotbed for the British variant that appears to be affecting younger people more than previously. There’s more outbreaks in schools than previously. Younger people make up a greater percentage of the hospitalizations. The variant is more contagious and is spreading easily through parts of the population Covid wasn’t previously.

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The peaks were different last spring because of a ramp up and testing and where/when the disease began.

Since then, they have followed your typical coronavirus seasonal pattern regardless of masks and restrictions.

The variant is not just in Michigan, it's everywhere. But heavily restricted Michigan continues to do the worst.
 

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States and areas of the country have seen their peaks at different times. MN saw their peaks so far in May and November. Michigan in April and beginning of December. Florida and Texas July and January. Different times for different areas.
I remember the same things being said about Florida last year. 🙄

It’s almost like COVID is a virus that we can’t stop without vaccinations and everything else can only hope to slow or delay it’s progress🤷‍♂️
 

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Bloomington hockey coach fatally punched following dispute about social distancing in restroom at St. Paul bar​


A St. Paul man was charged Monday with punching and unintentionally killing a Bloomington hockey coach outside a bar following a dispute over social distance rules. Bloomington Jefferson High School coach Michael G. Ryan, 48, was found by officers outside Herbie's On the Park at 317 Washington St. about 11 p.m. Saturday.

Witnesses told police that Ryan Whisler, 44, punched Ryan, who then fell backward and hit his head on concrete at the bottom of stairs, according to the criminal complaint The Ramsey County Attorney's Office charged Whisler with second-degree murder on Monday. The charge said Whisler caused Ryan's death without intent. According to the complaint, Whisler punched a hole into cellophane that was put in place over a urinal to encourage social distancing, then took a cellphone video of himself urinating into it. Ryan called Whisler out on it as they were leaving the bar.

The verbal confrontation was cooling down when the men and their friends got outside, a witness said. Then Whisler pulled Ryan's mask from his face and grabbed his shirt, the complaint said. Witnesses tried to separate the two, and a friend of Whisler's friend seemed to be directing him away when Whisler punched Ryan in the face, the complaint says. When Ryan's friend said he was calling the police, Whisler and his friend fled in a vehicle. Whisler then came back, picked up an object from the stairs and fled again, the complaint said.

Ryan was diagnosed with a brain injury at Regions Hospital. On Sunday, life support was removed. Whisler turned himself in to St. Paul police that day. The Ramsey County Medical Examiner's Office said Ryan's cause of death was a traumatic brain injury because of the assault and subsequent fall. It said the manner of death was a homicide.

The Bloomington Jefferson girls' hockey team asked for prayers for his wife and daughters. "He will be dearly missed by his wife and daughters and the Bloomington hockey community," the team wrote on Twitter.

https://www.startribune.com/bloomin...ched-following-dispute-st-paul-bar/600047865/
Yeah had nothing to do with a mask.
 

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The peaks were different last spring because of a ramp up and testing and where/when the disease began.

Since then, they have followed your typical coronavirus seasonal pattern regardless of masks and restrictions.

The variant is not just in Michigan, it's everywhere. But heavily restricted Michigan continues to do the worst.
A typical coronavirus seasonal pattern is an increase in December, peak in January and February, then decrease in March. This may end up like that but it’s not even close to consistently following the regular pattern. Michigan is literally an example that it doesn’t follow the regular seasonal pattern.

The variant is much more prevalent in Michigan than most other states. And Michigan really hasn’t had heavy restrictions for awhile.
 

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I remember the same things being said about Florida last year. 🙄

It’s almost like COVID is a virus that we can’t stop without vaccinations and everything else can only hope to slow or delay it’s progress🤷‍♂️
Isn’t that what everyone has been saying for a year? We aren’t going to stop it but we can do things to reduce hospitalizations and deaths until the majority of people are vaccinated.
 

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Isn’t that what everyone has been saying for a year? We aren’t going to stop it but we can do things to reduce hospitalizations and deaths until the majority of people are vaccinated.
Ummm, No.
 

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He wants to pretend that whatever was said first, is automatically locked as the only answer that can ever be given, forever moving forward.

😆 😆
 
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