I can’t be more clear. Either masks are ineffective or the mandates are. There are dozens of reasons why each could be true. Bottom line is that spikes have happened all over the place right after the mandates.
Mandates are only effective if people follow them. Are you asking for stronger mandates? What do you want, enforcement by martial law?
You couldn’t more loudly shout your ignorance than with this statement. Wow.
Really? I thought it was "Make Up Your Own Definition of the Law Day", you know, like every day in your world.
I’m not advocating for mandates at all. The answer is right in front of your face. Mandates don’t work. They depend on force. But they only work with voluntary cooperation. Regardless, you can’t go into any store in the TC without wearing one. So despite Wallys construction site and hockey games, most people are social distancing and wearing masks when in public. Yet we have a large outbreak. Smart people rethink their assumptions when the facts don’t line up. You bravely put your head down and blame the people.
Individual rights are not dependent on laws. Maybe learn a bit about the foundation of the country you live in.
Person A can go out tomorrow and murder someone. The law doesn't prevent that. But the laws are in place to provide deterrents and punishment. No laws prevent the breaking of them. Your arguments continue to be inane. If people aren't abiding by loose "mandates", proper rectification is to strengthen enforcement and increase the punishments. That's coming next. If you want more "freedom", just wear a frigging mask and socially distance, so this doesn't have to happen.
You don't get that they mandated masks because they saw numbers going up, the spike was baked in.
States that have mask mandates do have more people wearing them. People wear them in stores because they're required to. There's been very little evidence of large spreading in grocery stores, malls, department stores, etc. Is that because everyone is wearing masks in those settings or is it because you're not in long close contact with others? Probably both.
50% of the workforce at our local grocer were just diagnosed positive. And they all wear masks all the time.
If I’m not mistaken, you’re arguing for shutting schools in the other thread despite little documented evidence of school spread or spread from children to family members, and mandated mask wear/distancing.
What evidence, other than an increase of cases, do you have that everyone is breaking the rules/laws?
Count me as extremely skeptical that bars restaurants and weddings are the reason for our current spread.
If places and events where people are in close contact for long periods of time and many times are talking loudly isn't causing large spreading, then what is? Everything we know about the virus says those things would increase the chances of spread over walking by someone in a store for example.
Cinnamon is just a contrarian. I don’t think he ever really believes in anything he argues.
This is dotard level thinking.
Speed limits would be ineffective if more people started to die after they were put in place. The masks aren’t stopping the spread of Covid or deaths. So all you have is feaux claims that mask mandates aren’t being followed.
Walz told us all the same things on where it was and wasn’t spreading. The MDH even made a pie graph to support it. That pie graph was based on less than 2.5% of the cases in Minnesota.
Weddings have been cancelled, postponed, and moved outside, and reduced in size. I simply don’t believe they are a factor. Bars and restaurants are empty. It’s really hard to believe they are the major reason for spread.
Speed limits are not stopping car wrecks.
You "don't believe". Yeah...we know. You're an excuse making dotard.
Lots of examples lately of weddings being super spreaders. And if bars and restaurants are empty, why are so many people complaining about restrictions? You seem to think we’re still in April.
Bars and restaurants were hanging on by a thread, closing them is a death knell. While it’s been nice, people have eaten outside.
How are weddings super spreaders? Almost no one gets married in November of a typical year, and I’m sure the number of weddings this year are far below a normal November. And cases are spiking right now.
I'm "arguing for shutting schools"? Where? No. I have argued that I think it is OK if schools decide to shut down temporarily to get their sh1t in order. I'm not sure what kind of a-hole would try to argue against something like that. If you want to be as idiotic as the Trumpsters around here, be my guest.
huh? What TF world do you live in, anyway? This is earth. Earth says hello!
I was in one. Almost ZERO mask wearing. The wedding and ceremony took place both outdoors and in indoor space with doors and windows open. I was one of the few who wore a mask and socially distanced as much as reasonably possible, which is difficult when you're in the wedding party, during photos, during the ceremony, during the dinner, at which the groom and bride requested we do not. Very few others that attended wore a mask at any time. Weddings like this are going on all over the place, especially in rural America. They are common spreader events. Wake up, man.