Dallas police officer convicted of murder

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Your fault for not understanding it.

You won't/can't allow yourself to get it, that's not my problem.

Not seeing why this needs to continue any further.
 

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Your fault for not understanding it.

You won't/can't allow yourself to get it, that's not my problem.

Not seeing why this needs to continue any further.
You should maybe read some facts from the case, read her testimony then get back to me. You obviously don't understand.
 

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Nope. There is a difference between 2nd degree murder and voluntary manslaughter.

Her's was the latter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(United_States_law)#Degrees


Note that "intent to kill" means *prior* intent to kill. That is correct. She's talking about in the moment (ie, she wasn't aiming for his leg, or something like that). You don't understand the difference and are conflating the two separate meanings.
Lemmesee now...an overworked, sexually frustrated/aroused female with a loaded weapon illegally enters a person’s home(castle); finds him eating ice cream; becomes terribly afraid so then shoots him dead. Call it what you will, but that just ain’t right mate!:(
 

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Lemmesee now...an overworked, sexually frustrated/aroused female with a loaded weapon illegally enters a person’s home(castle); finds him eating ice cream; becomes terribly afraid so then shoots him dead. Call it what you will, but that just ain’t right mate!:(
Correct, that is terrible.

Voluntary manslaughter is a terrible offense, and can (and should) be punished with prison time.
 

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Did the guy she shot and killed attack her or something?
 

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I think he was in his own apartment. Just sort of minding his own business.
I know that he was in his own apartment. A lot of people are questioning the murder charge. Sure....premeditation is certainly a factor....but if the guy made no threatening actions towards her and she simply saw him and started shooting....I don't see how you could call it anything other than murder.
 

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I know that he was in his own apartment. A lot of people are questioning the murder charge. Sure....premeditation is certainly a factor....but if the guy made no threatening actions towards her and she simply saw him and started shooting....I don't see how you could call it anything other than murder.
He was sitting on his couch, watching TV and eating ice cream.
 

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I know that he was in his own apartment. A lot of people are questioning the murder charge. Sure....premeditation is certainly a factor....but if the guy made no threatening actions towards her and she simply saw him and started shooting....I don't see how you could call it anything other than murder.
Well, a lot of people have thought about this for a long time. The laws we have around these situations are indeed quite a bit more nuanced than what you express here.

Would encourage you to understand the difference between the four levels of homicide: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide
 

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He was sitting on his couch, watching TV and eating ice cream.
Hmmm....then maybe I'm missing something....because trained police officer or not....walking into someone else's apartment and not realizing that it's not your own....and then opening fire and killing someone that is offering you little threat screams murder to me.
 

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Hmmm....then maybe I'm missing something....because trained police officer or not....walking into someone else's apartment and not realizing that it's not your own....and then opening fire and killing someone that is offering you little threat screams murder to me.
Well, you probably think it’s murder when a person who is texting while driving runs over and kills a person that was minding their own business.

Each person is going to think how they want to think, regardless of our standard definitions.
 

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Well, a lot of people have thought about this for a long time. The laws we have around these situations are indeed quite a bit more nuanced than what you express here.

Would encourage you to understand the difference between the four levels of homicide: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide
Well....the way that she went in gung-ho and immediately shot someone in their own apartment....someone who was of little to no threat certainly suggests that premeditation may have been on the table. And even if not.....it certainly fits the bill for second-degree.
 

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Well, you probably think it’s murder when a person who is texting while driving runs over and kills a person that was minding their own business.

Each person is going to think how they want to think, regardless of our standard definitions.
I don't see how the situation you present has 'intentional' killing anywhere to be found.

Fail.
 

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Well....the way that she went in gung-ho and immediately shot someone in their own apartment....someone who was of little to no threat certainly suggests that premeditation may have been on the table. And even if not.....it certainly fits the bill for second-degree.
Only if you can prove prior intent. She never indicated that in her testimony (bass will say she did, but it’s because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about).
 

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I don't see how the situation you present has 'intentional' killing anywhere to be found.

Fail.
Correct, it would be involuntary manslaughter.

The difference between 2nd degree murder and voluntary manslaughter is difficult to understand for you, I can see.
 

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Only if you can prove prior intent. She never indicated that in her testimony (bass will say she did, but it’s because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about).
THis is the THIRD time I've posted this, have you read it yet?

What is Murder in Texas?
Pursuant to Penal Code § 19.02(b)(1) there are three ways murder may be alleged. A person commits murder when:

The person intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual;
The person intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act that causes the death of an individual;
or
The person causes the death of an individual during the commission or attempted commission of a felony.



Her testimony qualifies for 2 of those. There were many people criticizing her lawyer for letting her say that she intended to harm and kill him because she feared for her life. Under texas law murder is correct.

NONE OF THIS IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. If you would just take the time to look up what you are posting about the info is there.
 

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Correct, it would be involuntary manslaughter.

The difference between 2nd degree murder and voluntary manslaughter is difficult to understand for you, I can see.
In texas it's capital murder or murder. She stated she intended to harm and kill him = murder.
 

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Correct, it would be involuntary manslaughter.

The difference between 2nd degree murder and voluntary manslaughter is difficult to understand for you, I can see.
Why would you bring up that example if it is not even close to relevant to this case? Accidentally killing someone by hitting them in a car because someone's on their phone vs. shooting someone in their apartment.

As for voluntary manslaughter vs second degree murder....it definitely smells like murder. There is no good defense to shooting someone posing no threat in their own apartment.

Sorry....but you are wrong.
 
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Why would you bring up that example if it is not even close to relevant to this case? Accidentally killing someone by hitting them in a car because someone's on their phone vs. shooting someone in their apartment.

As for voluntary manslaughter vs second degree murder....it definitely smells like murder. There is no good defense to shooting someone posing no threat in their own apartment.

Sorry....but you are wrong.
There is no good defense for it. She committed a crime. She was charged and convicted.

Just because you don’t like what she did doesn’t mean you can arbitrarily label it murder, any more than I can label you a murderer for walking out of a Starbucks without paying.

That’s your fault.

You pretty clearly don’t have any interest in understanding why 2nd degree murder and voluntary manslaughter are two completely separate crimes with separate definitions. So there’s no point in continuing.
 

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There is no good defense for it. She committed a crime. She was charged and convicted.

Just because you don’t like what she did doesn’t mean you can arbitrarily label it murder, any more than I can label you a murderer for walking out of a Starbucks without paying.

That’s your fault.

You pretty clearly don’t have any interest in understanding why 2nd degree murder and voluntary manslaughter are two completely separate crimes with separate definitions. So there’s no point in continuing.
She was convicted of murder....so clearly YOU are on the wrong side of this. It seems that you are arbitrarily labeling it manslaughter.

And I get that they are two different crimes. What makes you think otherwise? Are you so flustered by the facts that you cannot comprehend that the claims of this shooting being a mistake are highly questionable considering how everything went down?

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Her sentence is fair either way.
She committed manslaughter and she deserves to be convicted of that and punished accordingly.

She didn’t walk up to the apartment intending to kill the man inside. Guessing she had never even met the guy. That is crystal clear as failing to meet the definition of murder.
 

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She committed manslaughter and she deserves to be convicted of that and punished accordingly.

She didn’t walk up to the apartment intending to kill the man inside. Guessing she had never even met the guy. That is crystal clear as failing to meet the definition of murder.
The sentence of 10 years would be allowed in either case.
 

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