Congressperson Maxine Waters calling for violence

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But but but but but but but

Trump. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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Ha! Trump: Make America Great! History: Don't produce goods in the U.S. Avoid paying taxes any way possible.

But, but, but, but....

Ag Structure arsonist. The King of whataboutisms...
 

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I have always denounced Trump, so that alone makes you ignorant.

Second, the history of the Republican Party is abolition of slavery and the fight for equality with no distinction based on skin color, but only upon personal effort. This remains true today.

Third, Frederick Douglas' writings are excellent. Try reading them sometime.
 

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I have always denounced Trump, so that alone makes you ignorant.

Second, the history of the Republican Party is abolition of slavery and the fight for equality with no distinction based on skin color, but only upon personal effort. This remains true today.

Third, Frederick Douglas' writings are excellent. Try reading them sometime.
Yet you parrot his ideas continually. I am well aware of Frederick Douglas. I am aware of Booker T Washington, WEB Dubois, ED Nixon, Martin Luther King Sr, and Jr. Shall we keep going?

I am also aware of Fannie Lou Hamer. She had much to do with many Dixiecrats moving away from the Democratic Party.


Clearly a racist! Right?

This is when the rats started jumping ship...
 

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BTW Fannie Lou Hamer was confrontational, So was Frederick Douglas!
 
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Florida required proof a residency (ID of some form) b/c people were flying here from out of state, sometimes out of the country, to get the vaccine.

Apparently, no out-of-staters wanted to come to Minnesota to jump the vaccine line. But as Spoofin said, you were asked to show your insurance card, which is ID. Dummy.

Furthermore, those sites or states that did not require ID allowed people to jump the line ahead of those that were more aged and/or vulnerable, otherwise known as cheating.

Requiring ID preventing cheating and was security that those that qualified and most in need of the vaccine were vaccinated first.

ID is a security check. That’s your problem with it.
You can't vote with an insurance card, so it's a dumb comparison. And if you said you didn't have insurance, you got the shot anyway, so it wasn't required at all.

We have gone around in circles about this enough. I have no issue with reasonable voter ID laws, such as what MN has. Most people don't. The issue is with needlessly restrictive laws meant to stop people from voting. You are dishonest and pretend otherwise.
 

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Ahhh, so people can change? Perhaps parties, political affiliations, and even minds can change.

Hmmm. IIRC Minnesota was a Democratic state (DFL) so by your definition a racist state, and an unwavering supporter of slavery.

https://www.startribune.com/looking...bachmann-mondale-humphrey-mccarthy/502089941/


Can you provide some information on overt racism today?https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/confederate-flag-trump.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/tru...s-furthers-idea-white-americans-own-us-2020-6

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Just some food for thought:

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/...iberal-media-is-dividing-the-republican-party
This lovely picture of their fellow Trump cultists and their Confederate Flag is all that's needed. They're lying and they know it.
 

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Ha! Trump: Make America Great! History: Don't produce goods in the U.S. Avoid paying taxes any way possible.

But, but, but, but....

Ag Structure arsonist. The King of whataboutisms...
Not a word about back tax payments from you regarding Al. Racist.
 

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This lovely picture of their fellow Trump cultists and their Confederate Flag is all that's needed. They're lying and they know it.
What is hilarious, is that it is so easy to find so many more. Even to this day. January 6th is proof. That and defaced US flags. Many are okay with Trump plastered on the flag. So much so, that they buy it and display it, yet they bash player(s) for kneeling before the flag?
 

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BTW Fannie Lou Hamer was confrontational, So was Frederick Douglas!
Nothing wrong with confrontation. That's what you and I are doing. There is everything wrong with violent confrontation and Maxine Waters stepped toward that line. MLK called for non-violent confrontation. Huey Newton called for violent confrontation.
I agree with MLK.
 

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Nothing wrong with confrontation. That's what you and I are doing. There is everything wrong with violent confrontation and Maxine Waters stepped toward that line. MLK called for non-violent confrontation. Huey Newton called for violent confrontation.
I agree with MLK.
Did Huey? or did he reserve the right to escalate as necessary?
 

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How does he not "look like a RWer?"
Murray identified these guys as RWers in his post. How does he know they are RWers?
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I’m pretty good a logic tests, but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out which is which.
He doesn’t look like these people pictured above.
 

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You can't vote with an insurance card, so it's a dumb comparison. And if you said you didn't have insurance, you got the shot anyway, so it wasn't required at all.

We have gone around in circles about this enough. I have no issue with reasonable voter ID laws, such as what MN has. Most people don't. The issue is with needlessly restrictive laws meant to stop people from voting. You are dishonest and pretend otherwise.
Actually, an insurance card may be sufficient ID for Georgia voters to apply for and receive a state voter ID card. Or a utility or phone bill. Sooooo onerous.

Residents can receive a free ID Card from the state at any county registrar’s office with proper proof of residency and other documentation.

Out of Georgia’s near 11 million population, approximately 200,000 Georgian’s lack a drivers license or state identification card, according to CNN. That is less than 2% of the state’s population. AJC reports 97% of registered Georgia voters have an official driver’s license or state ID.

For the some 200,000 residents who don’t have identification, Georgia residents can receive a Georgia ID card which has no age restriction. Applicants have to fill out the required forms to receive an ID. Applicants must also provide proof of residency, their social security number and proof of citizenship. Utility bills, phone bills and a birth certificate are just some of the ways residents can prove they are Georgia residents.



So, I’ll ask you again. What is unreasonable about the Georgia requirements for getting a voter ID? What is racial voter suppression about the above requirements?
 

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Nothing wrong with confrontation. That's what you and I are doing. There is everything wrong with violent confrontation and Maxine Waters stepped toward that line. MLK called for non-violent confrontation. Huey Newton called for violent confrontation.
I agree with MLK.
Speaking of MLK jr. who would he be walking with? Was he for poll taxes? Was he for the poor? Was he for workers and basic human dignity? What about El Hajj Malik El Shabazz? Were there philosophies converging, or diverging?

Back to Congress person Waters. Many people know that they may very well need to protest/ crowd the streets to confront injustice head on!

You want to see true pressuring jury's (assuming the 'defendant got to the courtroom)? This is what it looks like.
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So excuse Ms. Waters if her words were not perfect. She's seen far too many innocent children of God robbed of their lives.
 
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So, I’ll ask you again. What is unreasonable about the Georgia requirements for getting a voter ID? What is racial voter suppression about the above requirements?
What was the issue with the current law that needed addressing again? The zero cases of voter fraud that were found?
 

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What was the issue with the current law that needed addressing again? The zero cases of voter fraud that were found?
Zero cases? Boy, you are delusional.

But if you don’t have the processes to enable you to verify voter fraud, you won’t find it.

One more time. What is racial or onerous about the voter ID laws in Georgia? You have a problem with having to come up with a utility bill to ID yourself? It’s racist?

And these changes are actually constitutional b/c the state legislature made them law. Not a consent decree by the Sec of State.
 

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Zero cases? Boy, you are delusional.

But if you don’t have the processes to enable you to verify voter fraud, you won’t find it.

One more time. What is racial or onerous about the voter ID laws in Georgia? You have a problem with having to come up with a utility bill to ID yourself? It’s racist?

And these changes are actually constitutional b/c the state legislature made them law. Not a consent decree by the Sec of State.
If voter fraud was remotely an issue in the #'s needed to change anything, Fraud Guarantee Rudy G. and Ms. Kraaken would have found at least several instances and you'd be shouting them from the rooftop. But nope. Nothing.

Why can't the utility bill itself be sufficient ID? Why do they have to go through multiple hoops? Are you trying to prevent voter fraud or make registering and voting as painful as possible so less people will do it?
 

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If voter fraud was remotely an issue in the #'s needed to change anything, Fraud Guarantee Rudy G. and Ms. Kraaken would have found at least several instances and you'd be shouting them from the rooftop. But nope. Nothing.

Why can't the utility bill itself be sufficient ID? Why do they have to go through multiple hoops? Are you trying to prevent voter fraud or make registering and voting as painful as possible so less people will do it?
This system has worked for how long? There is no evidence of widespread fraud. Spoofin brought that to light. Fraud is such a non-issue. Why the need for change. Why the strange timing. We've seen these patterns going back to the 1870's.
 

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If voter fraud was remotely an issue in the #'s needed to change anything, Fraud Guarantee Rudy G. and Ms. Kraaken would have found at least several instances and you'd be shouting them from the rooftop. But nope. Nothing.

Why can't the utility bill itself be sufficient ID? Why do they have to go through multiple hoops? Are you trying to prevent voter fraud or make registering and voting as painful as possible so less people will do it?
You can‘t answer the question.

Why is supplying a utility bill in advance of Election Day or month an undue request? That’s jumping through a hoop? Providing a utility bill and getting logged with the state as a legitimate voter?

Besides, only 2% of voters in Georgia don’t have a DL or voter ID card.

Where is the racism? Asking the minimal of someone to provide a phone bill or utility bill to prove residency is “jumping through hoops”? 🙄. You really are pathetic.

You can’t answer the questions. All you can do is deflect with weak excuses.
 

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You can‘t answer the question.

Why is supplying a utility bill in advance of Election Day or month an undue request? That’s jumping through a hoop? Providing a utility bill and getting logged with the state as a legitimate voter?

Besides, only 2% of voters in Georgia don’t have a DL or voter ID card.

Where is the racism? Asking the minimal of someone to provide a phone bill or utility bill to prove residency is “jumping through hoops”? 🙄. You really are pathetic.

You can’t answer the questions. All you can do is deflect with weak excuses.
You're so full of it. I just said fine, make them show a utility bill to prove residency. Why can't that be done at the polls? Why do they have to travel to a government office weeks in advance, then wait on an ID, then go stand in line for 5 hours with no water just to vote? Oh right, we're "tightening things up."

MN and WI have same-day registration and almost no fraud. Guess what they also have? The highest turnout. The horror! The horror!
 

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You're so full of it. I just said fine, make them show a utility bill to prove residency. Why can't that be done at the polls? Why do they have to travel to a government office weeks in advance, then wait on an ID, then go stand in line for 5 hours with no water just to vote? Oh right, we're "tightening things up."

MN and WI have same-day registration and almost no fraud. Guess what they also have? The highest turnout. The horror! The horror!
Wow, so many lies.

No water? Factually wrong and a lie. Only campaigns or politically affiliated groups are prevented from supplying food or water. But you knew that.

Wait in line for 5 hours? Lie. That’s a local issue IF it happens. The state does not control that. But if you acquire a voter ID, you can vote absentee by providing your voter ID #. And Georgia has 19 days of early voting, including some Saturdays and Sundays.

Presenting a utility bill or phone bill on the day of voting would require someone to “stand in line” to vote, and it would be much less secure and make checking double voting nearly impossible along with a number of other voter integrity checks. It also delays the knowing the election results in a timely manner.

You still haven’t said what is racially biased about any of the law. I’ll have to assume you don’t have an answer and admit that it isn’t racially biased.
 

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Wait in line for 5 hours? Lie. That’s a local issue IF it happens. The state does not control that. But if you acquire a voter ID, you can vote absentee by providing your voter ID #. And Georgia has 19 days of early voting, including some Saturdays and Sundays.

Presenting a utility bill or phone bill on the day of voting would require someone to “stand in line” to vote, and it would be much less secure and make checking double voting nearly impossible along with a number of other voter integrity checks. It also delays the knowing the election results in a timely manner.

You still haven’t said what is racially biased about any of the law. I’ll have to assume you don’t have an answer and admit that it isn’t racially biased.
The state controls funding and rushed to close polling places in "certain" counties after the VRA was gutted. Saying they don't control it is a a lie.

How do MN, WI and other states have same-day registration if it's "nearly impossible"? And why don't they have massive fraud if it's "much less secure"? And why do they report results as quickly as most other states? More lies.

If your standard is nothing in the law says black people can't vote, then no it's not racially biased. But the intent is suppress minority vote, and you know it. So you pretzel.

I also love that you're so proud that the elections staff can give out water etc.. Of course the original bill banned it out right, banned Sunday voting, etc. Just because the final bill is less awful than the original doesn't make it right. And it's only the case because people spoke out. If they'd passed the original bill, you'd be here vehemently defending it.
 

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Murray identified these guys as RWers in his post. How does he know they are RWers?
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I’m pretty good a logic tests, but it doesn’t take a genius to figure out which is which.
He doesn’t look like these people pictured above.
It might be time for you to just not answer this question.
 

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Wow, so many lies.

No water? Factually wrong and a lie. Only campaigns or politically affiliated groups are prevented from supplying food or water. But you knew that.

Wait in line for 5 hours? Lie. That’s a local issue IF it happens. The state does not control that. But if you acquire a voter ID, you can vote absentee by providing your voter ID #. And Georgia has 19 days of early voting, including some Saturdays and Sundays.

Presenting a utility bill or phone bill on the day of voting would require someone to “stand in line” to vote, and it would be much less secure and make checking double voting nearly impossible along with a number of other voter integrity checks. It also delays the knowing the election results in a timely manner.

You still haven’t said what is racially biased about any of the law. I’ll have to assume you don’t have an answer and admit that it isn’t racially biased.
Looks like 5 hours is sometimes an express line.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-long-lines-as-early-voting-starts-in-georgia

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/9245...-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl

https://www.ajc.com/politics/politi...o-vote-in-georgia/YKXQ63ZMUJC4POV7YCTYS7DNPQ/
 

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The state controls funding and rushed to close polling places in "certain" counties after the VRA was gutted. Saying they don't control it is a a lie.

How do MN, WI and other states have same-day registration if it's "nearly impossible"? And why don't they have massive fraud if it's "much less secure"? And why do they report results as quickly as most other states? More lies.

If your standard is nothing in the law says black people can't vote, then no it's not racially biased. But the intent is suppress minority vote, and you know it. So you pretzel.

I also love that you're so proud that the elections staff can give out water etc.. Of course the original bill banned it out right, banned Sunday voting, etc. Just because the final bill is less awful than the original doesn't make it right. And it's only the case because people spoke out. If they'd passed the original bill, you'd be here vehemently defending it.
There the disenfranchised go again. Confronting and stuff. Causing good trouble.
 

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The state controls funding and rushed to close polling places in "certain" counties after the VRA was gutted. Saying they don't control it is a a lie.

How do MN, WI and other states have same-day registration if it's "nearly impossible"? And why don't they have massive fraud if it's "much less secure"? And why do they report results as quickly as most other states? More lies.

If your standard is nothing in the law says black people can't vote, then no it's not racially biased. But the intent is suppress minority vote, and you know it. So you pretzel.

I also love that you're so proud that the elections staff can give out water etc.. Of course the original bill banned it out right, banned Sunday voting, etc. Just because the final bill is less awful than the original doesn't make it right. And it's only the case because people spoke out. If they'd passed the original bill, you'd be here vehemently defending it.
The state controls the funding? Please show me exactly how election funds are doled out, being that you claim to know?

How exactly are these laws suppressing minority vote? Is it harder for black people than white people to procure a voter ID?

If? Deflection and speculation with no basis in fact.

Answer the first two paragraphs.
 
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