Big Ten Expects To Have All 14 Schools Ready For College Football This Fall

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This is interesting because the UFC just had 3 fight cards in the last week. 1 team tested positive and was not allowed to fight, but nobdy else. These were in Florida, where the restrictions were lighter. No fans, but there is a glimmer of hope that if they can do it, there may be a way-somehow. But the next question is what is the risk/reward? I'm not saying good or bad, but there is going to be data after these fights to help make a move one way or the other.
 

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I think it's important to directly show the actual Tweet, that the article bases its speculation around.



Basically - I think - this is the NW president saying that all 14 presidents are committing that their respective universities won't make decisions for their campuses that they'll choose not to play football.

Didn't think they would be that stupid, even in Minnesota, Illinois, New Jersey, etc. It's just a matter of the state orders, then. Guessing by June at some point, everyone will be ready to get back to work.
 

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I think it's important to directly show the actual Tweet, that the article bases its speculation around.



Basically - I think - this is the NW president saying that all 14 presidents are committing that their respective universities won't make decisions for their campuses that they'll choose not to play football.

Didn't think they would be that stupid, even in Minnesota, Illinois, New Jersey, etc. It's just a matter of the state orders, then. Guessing by June at some point, everyone will be ready to get back to work.
Yeah.

waiting to open until a vaccine isn’t happening. Considering it is possibly that there is never an effective vaccine you’d be committing to shutting down for the rest of eternity if necessary.

I personally think most states will opt the route of slowly reopening and then quickly shutting down for 2-4 week periods if health systems start to get to near peak capacity.
 

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Yeah.

waiting to open until a vaccine isn’t happening. Considering it is possibly that there is never an effective vaccine you’d be committing to shutting down for the rest of eternity if necessary.

I personally think most states will opt the route of slowly reopening and then quickly shutting down for 2-4 week periods if health systems start to get to near peak capacity.
If you're not old or if you don't have preexisting conditions that warrant it ... you really need to stay home, if you get it.

We can't cripple our healthcare system with hundreds of millions of people rushing to the doctor. It just can't work like that.
 

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I think it's important to directly show the actual Tweet, that the article bases its speculation around.



Basically - I think - this is the NW president saying that all 14 presidents are committing that their respective universities won't make decisions for their campuses that they'll choose not to play football.

Didn't think they would be that stupid, even in Minnesota, Illinois, New Jersey, etc. It's just a matter of the state orders, then. Guessing by June at some point, everyone will be ready to get back to work.
I respectfully disagree. Each university will simply put it to their state governor that if the team is not permitted to play he or she, the governor, will need to come up with the $75 million dollars needed to maintain the athletic budget or be directly responsible for the closing down of several sports at the university. This constant speculation on whether the teams will be playing in the fall is surely now quite silly. The only remaining issue in reality is how many, if any, fans will be allowed at the first game.
 

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No idea what you think you're disagreeing with. Sounds like we both believe football will be back in the fall.

I think there will be fans in the stands, with limited capacity.
 

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If you're not old or if you don't have preexisting conditions that warrant it ... you really need to stay home, if you get it.

We can't cripple our healthcare system with hundreds of millions of people rushing to the doctor. It just can't work like that.
"...hundreds of millions of people rushing to the doctor." ??? Easy there, oh wise one.
 

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If you're not old or if you don't have preexisting conditions that warrant it ... you really need to stay home, if you get it.

We can't cripple our healthcare system with hundreds of millions of people rushing to the doctor. It just can't work like that.
And more importantly, it didn't work like that. Instead, hospitals and health care has been decimated because of the ridiculous lock down of healthy people. Ugh, don't get me started....
 
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I have visions of the best Gopher Football performance in 60 years and a trip to Indy and the Rose Bowl. But no live fans see any of it. If the Gophers win the Big Ten and no one is there to see it does it count?
 

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I have visions of the best Gopher Football performance in 60 years and a trip to Indy and the Rose Bowl. But no live fans see any of it. If the Gophers win the Big Ten and no one is there to see it does it count?
Yes.....1000%....Yes :)
 

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Take a look at this. It’s not shocking, but I haven’t seen it laid out quite like that, with the dart board image.

 

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What will the conference do when a player tests positive which is essentially inevitable? Will they shut down that team? Or the team they played the previous week?
 

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Take a look at this. It’s not shocking, but I haven’t seen it laid out quite like that, with the dart board image.

Really an interesting chart. Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately, it makes sense. People aren't flying around the country, but they are talking with neighbors, and so it spreads from the epi-center of NY where they did a miserable job containing it (e.g., didn't even bother cleaning the subway trains). Looks like Cuomo's failures could be impacting everyone across the country.
 

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What will the conference do when a player tests positive which is essentially inevitable? Will they shut down that team? Or the team they played the previous week?
Couple of the many worms in the can.
 

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Yes, inevitably there will be players this fall that come down with the virus. I agree that the question of shutting down a team is interesting. Also though, how about just everyday functioning of a team. Locker room, training room, cafeteria... I heard on a podcast the idea of 2 separate practices for teams, offensive players/defensive players, 1’s/2’s, etc. I’m glad PJ is our coach as I’m sure he’ll figure these logistical things out
 

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Question. Has anyone heard of any college football players getting it even staying at home? I know that must be private unless chosen to make public by the person. I don't follow sports to that extent anymore, but I've only heard of Karl Anthony Towns' (I think) grandmother. I'm sure there's more, but I've not heard.

Any idea about college football, and I guess any college sports players getting it?
 

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What will the conference do when a player tests positive which is essentially inevitable? Will they shut down that team? Or the team they played the previous week?
Unless he or one of his teammates have pre-existing conditions (highly unlikely), treat it like the flu.
 

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Does Casey O’Brien have pre-existing conditions? How would you recommend the Gophers handle an infection on the team?
Casey probably won’t be able to rejoin the team until there’s a vaccination. Simple as that.
 

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Casey probably won’t be able to rejoin the team until there’s a vaccination. Simple as that.
So let’s assume that this is a viable option, and that players can choose whether they re-join team activities. That ignores a ton of grey area, competing forces, potential stigma and repercussions if they disagree with coaches; but let’s assume they can work out how to make that happen.

So what about players like Gary Tinsley? Players who outwardly appear to be 100% healthy, but have undiagnosed health issues that have proven to be fatal even without an additional stressor like COVID-19?

I am not trying to forecast the impact of starting up collegiate athletics, because I am not a virologist and I don’t claim to have sufficient insight into the risks or rewards that come with that decision. And I wish others would recognize that the same is true for themselves. Simplifying this whole situation into “football players are young and healthy, so they will be fine” as GoldenRodents has done many times is such a blindingly stupid argument to make.
 

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What will the conference do when a player tests positive which is essentially inevitable? Will they shut down that team? Or the team they played the previous week?
If you're testing every player every day, maybe multiple times in the days before/during a game, it should be physically impossible for a "oh whoops! we think a player might've been on the field with cv19, sorry lol"

That just can't happen.
 

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Take a look at this. It’s not shocking, but I haven’t seen it laid out quite like that, with the dart board image.

My issue is the fact that this data includes the lock downs which definitely slows the virus. No one knows what the death toll would be like now if everyone had just gone about their business since march. One of the hallmarks of successfully flattening the curve is people saying "what was the big deal". I'm not for keeping shut down at this level until we get a vaccine, but all of these numbers need an asterix and we need to methodically open back up and monitor hospital capacity.
 

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If you're testing every player every day, maybe multiple times in the days before/during a game, it should be physically impossible for a "oh whoops! we think a player might've been on the field with cv19, sorry lol"

That just can't happen.
The issue here is whether or not the test is sensitive enough to turn positive before someone is shedding enough virus to be contagious...you test negative until you don't, there's no "Maybe" option, so we'd need to be confident that a negative meant that even if they were in the beginnings of an infection that they could not spread it.

Honestly, I'd be worried as an OL player, you're face to face with the DL and most of those guys are heavier than they should be...
 

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The issue here is whether or not the test is sensitive enough to turn positive before someone is shedding enough virus to be contagious...you test negative until you don't, there's no "Maybe" option, so we'd need to be confident that a negative meant that even if they were in the beginnings of an infection that they could not spread it.

Honestly, I'd be worried as an OL player, you're face to face with the DL and most of those guys are heavier than they should be...
If a test can detect inactive "dead" virus, via amplifying any virus genetic material that could be there, it will lean on the side of the false positive, rather than the false negative.

I don't think that will be a problem.
 

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If you're testing every player every day, maybe multiple times in the days before/during a game, it should be physically impossible for a "oh whoops! we think a player might've been on the field with cv19, sorry lol"

That just can't happen.
That is assuming that many tests are even available, which is unlikely. And then it ignores the accuracy. Dr. Osterholm said many of the tests out there are at best 90% accurate. One false negative could infect the whole team. I don't think counting on testing is a viable solution.

A vaccine is almost impossible to be at a point where it is proven reliable AND produced AND distributed in numbers such that normally healthy populations could get it (such as student athletes) by fall. It'll be lucky to happen by spring. Counting on a vaccine is also not a viable solution.

So that leaves us at the point of whether to accept the risks that come to this population from this disease for players that are not outright paid to play. With as much social distancing as possible and frequent health checks and some testing, could the risks be reduced enough to make it seem reasonable? I don't know.

I think what's really going to decide this is where the numbers are in mid July. If all the states are coming down from peaks at that point even with opening up, then I think football will happen. If states have had to close again because of flooding health care, there isn't an end in sight, then there will not be football.
 

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Young players without risk factors are at almost zero risk of serious illness from COVID-19. If they do contract the illness, they will emerge with immunity a week or so later. This virus simply bounces off the young and healthy.
 

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If a test can detect inactive "dead" virus, via amplifying any virus genetic material that could be there, it will lean on the side of the false positive, rather than the false negative.

I don't think that will be a problem.
False negative doesn't quite catch what I meant though. There is a certain threshold at which the test can detect the virus, as you have pointed out. What we don't know is if that threshold is lower than the point of viral load needed to be contagious. If it is, then yes, no problem, but if it isn't, that means someone could test negative and still be contagious. This can be categorized as a false negative yes, but my point is a bit more nuanced.
 
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