Biden immigration strategy

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https://www.startribune.com/kinder-gentler-on-immigration-but-no-open-borders/573197921/

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In the 2010s, a wave of families came seeking refuge from the poor and violent countries of Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador. This wave was only a fraction of the number of people who had immigrated from Mexico in previous decades, but the sight of tens of thousands of destitute Central American families streaming north alarmed many conservatives.

Compounding this was the fact that the U.S. system didn't really have a good way to deal with large numbers of people crossing the border illegally and then turning themselves in to authorities and requesting asylum. It generally wasn't possible to tell whether these people were coming for economic reasons or to escape the endemic violence that plagues many Central American countries — it was probably almost always a mix of both.

And even if judges decided most migrants didn't deserve asylum, the long waiting periods before their hearings tempted some to slip away to live in the U.S. without documents.

Trump's policies quashed that asylum wave. In addition to the cruel treatment, Trump deployed a blizzard of legal changes. He tightened the standards for granting asylum, required many migrants to remain in Mexico while awaiting their hearings, and struck agreements that sent many asylum-seekers to Central American countries different from their origin nation. As a result, the border surge had fizzled out even before the COVID-19 pandemic struck.

If Biden hits reverse too hard, it could cost him politically. In economic terms, a few hundred thousand Central American migrants will do little to hurt the U.S., but their presence will rile up law-and-order voters. That could hurt Biden with constituencies like Hispanic voters who live in the Texas border counties that swung hard to Trump in 2020.

That means that the new administration is highly unlikely to embrace radical pro-immigration ideas like open borders, or recent Democratic presidential candidate Julian Castro's call to decriminalize unauthorized border crossing.

Instead, Biden and Mayorkas will probably try to accept asylum-seekers from Central America at a slow and ordered pace. Detention will probably persist, in a much more humane form.


In other words, expect Biden's policy toward Central American migrants to be more welcoming, but not nearly as welcoming as many activists would like.
 

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Most importantly we need to get back to allowing the smart people in.
 

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Most importantly we need to get back to allowing the smart people in.
The smart people have respect for our immigration process and are going about things the right way. All the while they get to watch jackasses leap across the border to the applause of lefty politicians and lefty useful idiots like yourself.
 

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The smart people have respect for our immigration process and are going about things the right way. All the while they get to watch jackasses leap across the border to the applause of lefty politicians and lefty useful idiots like yourself.

So someone seeking a better life and pursuing the American dream of freedom is categorically a jackass. Got it.


I don't recognize you, but wow, you seem awesome.
 

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The smart people have respect for our immigration process and are going about things the right way. All the while they get to watch jackasses leap across the border to the applause of lefty politicians and lefty useful idiots like yourself.

Why is Trump blocking them then?
Way to deflect....
 

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The Democrats would never lose the House, Senate, or President office again if they committed/performed to actually enforce strict border controls; finish the wall; deport all illegal aliens and criminals; stopped the drug cartels, etc. You know, policies that actually benefit the working class.

They won't.
 

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The Democrats would never lose the House, Senate, or President office again if they committed/performed to actually enforce strict border controls; finish the wall; deport all illegal aliens and criminals; stopped the drug cartels, etc. You know, policies that actually benefit the working class.

They won't.

Prove they benefit the working class. You can't, your just talking out your ass.
 

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ICE cancels deportation flight to Africa after claims of brutality

A plane carrying Cameroonian, Angolan and Congolese asylum seekers was due to take off from Alexandria, Louisiana, at 3pm on Wednesday but was canceled with minutes to spare. US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) canceled a deportation flight to west Africa because of allegations of brutality by Ice agents in the treatment of the deportees, the agency has said in a statement.

The change suggests that the newly confirmed secretary for Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, may have begun to exert control over what some critics have described as a “rogue agency”. There have been multiple reports that Cameroonians deported by the Trump administration in October and November have been jailed, tortured or disappeared by a government fighting a brutal counter-insurgency against anglophone separatists in the west and south of the country.

Ice was accused of similar abuse in October but denied the claims and did not change its policy of accelerated deportation of African and Caribbean asylum seekers. On Thursday, an Ice spokesperson signalled a change in stance. “Ice takes all allegations of detainee abuse with the utmost seriousness. Allegations of misconduct by Ice employees or contractors are reported to Ice’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) and are reviewed by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) office of the inspector general (OIG),” the spokesperson said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ation-flight-african-asylum-seekers-brutality
 

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How? Are you proposing the military should wage physical war in Mexico?

Trump stopped the cartels, but overdoses are up. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

You think the right would understand supply and demand. Obviously they don't.
 

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Joe Biden’s Immigration Acid Test

Last week, Democrats introduced the U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021—a comprehensive immigration bill that will evidently be one of the Biden administration’s first major legislative battles after the coronavirus relief fight is finished. If passed, the Act will be the culmination of decades of efforts from both reformers and restrictionists to fundamentally reshape the American immigration system, including abortive attempts at crafting a path to citizenship for the undocumented during the Bush and Obama administrations and, of course, Donald Trump’s attempts to deepen the system’s racism and traumas.

The Citizenship Act offers an eight-year path to citizenship for the estimated 10.4 million undocumented immigrants already in the United States, including those eligible for Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals and Temporary Protected Status recipients, who would immediately be allowed to apply for green cards.
The bill also includes reforms to the legal immigration system—including the addition of 25,000 more diversity visas and lifting per-country visa caps—as well as $4 billion in funding to address the root causes of migration for distressed communities in Central America.

Earlier this month, Data for Progress found that 69 percent of likely voters support granting the undocumented a path to citizenship. Another recent poll by Quinnipiac found 65 percent support for legalization among the American public at large. And last year, Gallup noted that for the first time on record, the number of Americans who support increasing immigration (34 percent) had surpassed the number supporting an immigration decrease (28 percent).

As much as the administration has done by executive action, the White House is already running into obstacles imposed by Trump and the deficiencies that were present in the policy regime Trump inherited. Biden’s promise of a 100-day deportation moratorium has been blocked by a Trump-appointed federal judge, and a large child-detention facility in Texas set up under Trump was reopened on Monday. Ultimately, bringing broad, stable, and lasting changes to the system will depend on legislation and the willpower of Biden and his party.

https://newrepublic.com/article/161473/joe-biden-immigration-reform-test
 

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The smart people have respect for our immigration process and are going about things the right way. All the while they get to watch jackasses leap across the border to the applause of lefty politicians and lefty useful idiots like yourself.

I have an acquaintance who waited 18 years for his immigration request to be accepted.
 

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So someone seeking a better life and pursuing the American dream of freedom is categorically a jackass. Got it.


I don't recognize you, but wow, you seem awesome.
Interesting spin you just made. You take a person who is breaking the law and illegally entering the country (similar to an uninvited person walking into your house and sleeping in your bedroom) and call them "someone seeking a better life and pursuing the American dream of freedom."

Fine. Give them your address and have them sleep in your bedroom. You can feed them, cloth them, give them medical care, and fully support them. You don't get to vet them. You get whoever broke in. Good luck with that.
 

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Fine. Give them your address and have them sleep in your bedroom. You can feed them, cloth them, give them medical care, and fully support them.

That is a bs argument, illegals come knowing they have to work.
 

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I have an acquaintance who waited 18 years for his immigration request to be accepted.
...and this is why immigration reform is a real need. The US is extremely inefficient in processing legal immigration requests.
 

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That is a bs argument, illegals come knowing they have to work.
...while they sleep in your bed. Wally, give them your address so they can squat in your house with your wife and kids. You don't get to vet them. You just accept anyone and everyone. Open your borders and let them in.
 

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Here is proof:


There is no proof, no studies cited, just an economist spewing ala Deuce.

Not saying I totally disagree, there are other ways besides reducing immigration to address the problem of low wages.

A scarcity of workers doesn't make the country stronger, do you care about having a strong country?
 

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There is no proof, no studies cited, just an economist spewing ala Deuce.

Not saying I totally disagree, there are other ways besides reducing immigration to address the problem of low wages.

A scarcity of workers doesn't make the country stronger, do you care about having a strong country?
AOC's district is at 15% unemployment. Pretty sure there isn't a scarcity of workers...
 

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There is no proof, no studies cited, just an economist spewing ala Deuce.

Not saying I totally disagree, there are other ways besides reducing immigration to address the problem of low wages.

A scarcity of workers doesn't make the country stronger, do you care about having a strong country?

If we cant trust research from a 30 yr harvard professor, who is quite likely liberal, not sure who we can trust. Not sure how closely u read the article but he also doesnt let trump c
skate. Trump has quoted him so would guess if there was any way to put holes in his research that wouldve been done.

We need work visas for some and then also to provide permanent status to immigrants who can fill holes in our system. The lottery system is an absolute joke which exists to provide votes for one political party.
 

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President Biden reopened the country on Wednesday to people seeking green cards, ending a ban on legal immigration that President Donald J. Trump imposed last spring, citing what he said was the need to protect American jobs during the pandemic.

In a proclamation, Mr. Biden said that the ban did “not advance the interests of the United States,” challenging Mr. Trump’s claims that the way to protect the American economy during the health crisis was to shut the country off from the rest of the world.

“To the contrary,” Mr. Biden said of his predecessor’s immigration ban, “it harms the United States, including by preventing certain family members of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents from joining their families here. It also harms industries in the United States that utilize talent from around the world.”

The president’s action was the latest example of his efforts to roll back Mr. Trump’s assault on the nation’s immigration system. Since taking office, Mr. Biden has issued several executive orders and directives aimed at lifting restrictions on immigrants put in place over the past four years.
 

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So then wages will not go up by cutting immigration.... Thanks
Wages go up based upon supply and demand. Artificial wage increase results in more job loss. If people in AOCs district want to work, they will move out of her district and go where the job market provides them a job. And the great thing is they don't need to do so illegally. Do you see how that works? Probably not, since communism functions on failed Marxist ideology.
 

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President Biden reopened the country on Wednesday to people seeking green cards, ending a ban on legal immigration that President Donald J. Trump imposed last spring, citing what he said was the need to protect American jobs during the pandemic.

In a proclamation, Mr. Biden said that the ban did “not advance the interests of the United States,” challenging Mr. Trump’s claims that the way to protect the American economy during the health crisis was to shut the country off from the rest of the world.

“To the contrary,” Mr. Biden said of his predecessor’s immigration ban, “it harms the United States, including by preventing certain family members of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents from joining their families here. It also harms industries in the United States that utilize talent from around the world.”

The president’s action was the latest example of his efforts to roll back Mr. Trump’s assault on the nation’s immigration system. Since taking office, Mr. Biden has issued several executive orders and directives aimed at lifting restrictions on immigrants put in place over the past four years.

American citizens get the shaft again from the Biden admin. Hundreds of thousands out of work, during a pandemic- let's allow millions into the Country. And the majority will be unskilled eligible for entitlements.
 
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