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Here's a tweet from Erik Erickson, founder of the Red State blog and a man of impeccable conservative credentials (however, he was never a fan of Trump). He was describing that batshit crazy press conference of Guliani, Powell, etc. I'd say the people he is referring to describes bga1 well.

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I feel very sorry for the people who believe the bullshit we just heard. There are a lot of broken people who are being lied to and many of them want to believe the lie because their religion has become politics and they cannot believe their god is abandoning them.
 

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Here's a tweet from Erik Erickson, founder of the Red State blog and a man of impeccable conservative credentials (however, he was never a fan of Trump). He was describing that batshit crazy press conference of Guliani, Powell, etc. I'd say the people he is referring to describes bga1 well.

Erick Erickson
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I feel very sorry for the people who believe the bullshit we just heard. There are a lot of broken people who are being lied to and many of them want to believe the lie because their religion has become politics and they cannot believe their god is abandoning them.
To bga IMPOTUS’ departure in January will be the 2nd going of Christ; without the apotheosis of course!
 

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To bga IMPOTUS’ departure in January will be the 2nd going of Christ; without the apotheosis of course!
I will be partying outside Trump Tower after Joltin' Joe is inaugurated on 1/20 (Yes, I realize that he no longer lives there is no in FLA, but it is symbolic, he lived there for many years and maybe i'll get brandished on my dome with a tire iron wielding Proud Boyz).
 

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I posted this in the other thread, then discovered there's a "coup" thread, so I'll plop it here, too.

I'm guessing Trump and his people are calling around the country and pressuring state and local Republicans to get in line with the message. It's going to take broad-based support to be able to pull this off.
 

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I posted this in the other thread, then discovered there's a "coup" thread, so I'll plop it here, too.

I'm guessing Trump and his people are calling around the country and pressuring state and local Republicans to get in line with the message. It's going to take broad-based support to be able to pull this off.
The coup needs it's own thread. It's going to be a long 3 weeks watching these spineless cowards try to pull this off. They've already summoned the Michigan GOP. Now PA.
 

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Not so fast! Georgia has not yet certified their results according to the SoS. They say they will later today.
 

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I posted this in the other thread, then discovered there's a "coup" thread, so I'll plop it here, too.

I'm guessing Trump and his people are calling around the country and pressuring state and local Republicans to get in line with the message. It's going to take broad-based support to be able to pull this off.
Wonder if the dems are calling all around the country? For Georgia?

fraud
 

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Powerline: Do Trump’s Lawyers Know What They Are Doing?

Today several of President Trump’s lawyers, including Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, held a press conference in which they alleged that they have convincing if not conclusive evidence that the presidential election was rigged, and that in addition to garden variety voter fraud, hundreds of thousands of votes were added to Joe Biden’s totals through electronic manipulation.

There is circumstantial evidence of more than a normal amount of voter fraud in this year’s election, but Trump’s lawyers have not yet presented most of the evidence supporting the electronic claims that they must rely on to have any hope of reversing the outcome of the election. So we can only reserve judgment for now. It is hard to understand what motive lawyers like Sidney Powell and Lin Wood might have to make explosive claims that they cannot prove, which would be career-destroying.

However: I got an email today from a Minnesota resident, a conservative and a smart guy who is the CEO of a company, and later talked with him on the phone. He has taken the trouble to read the filings that have been made so far by Trump’s lawyers. He directed my attention to an affidavit signed by Russell Ramsland, a Texas resident who is an expert on cyber security. The affidavit was filed by Lin Wood in the Georgia lawsuit, but it relates entirely to Michigan, and it is a safe bet that it has been filed in one or more cases in that state as well.

The Ramsland affidavit is part of the Trump team’s case relating to Dominion. In paragraph 9, the affidavit states:

Based on the significant anomalies and red flags that we have observed, we believe there is a significant probability that election results have been manipulated within the Dominion/Premier system in Michigan.

What are those anomalies and red flags? Paragraph 11 explains:

Another statistical red flag is evident is evident in the number of votes cast compared to the number of voters in some precincts. A preliminary analysis using data obtained from the Michigan Secretary of State pinpoints a statistical anomaly so far outside of every statistical norm as to be virtually impossible. … There were at least 19 precincts where the Presidential Votes Cast compared to the Estimated Voters based on Reported Statistics exceeded 100%.

This is a screen shot of the list of 19 precincts:


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Paragraph 17, continuing in the same vein, says:

Wayne County uses Dominion equipment, 46 out of 47 precincts/townships display a highly unlikely 96%+ as the number of votes cast, using the Secretary of State’s number of voters in the precinct/township; and 25% of those 47 precincts/townships show 100% turnout.

This list of 25 precincts or townships (a number that does not obviously fit with the preceding language) follows:

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Here’s the problem: the townships and precincts listed in paragraphs 11 and 17 of the affidavit are not in Michigan. They are in Minnesota. Monticello, Albertville, Lake Lillian, Houston, Brownsville, Runeberg, Wolf Lake, Height of Land, Detroit Lakes, Frazee, Kandiyohi–these are all towns in Minnesota. I haven’t checked them all, but I checked a lot of them, and all locations listed in paragraphs 11 and 17 that I looked up are in Minnesota, with no corresponding township in Michigan. This would have been obvious to someone from this state, but Mr. Ramsland is a Texan and the lawyers are probably not natives of either Minnesota or Michigan.

Evidently a researcher, either Mr. Ramsland or someone working for him, was working with a database and confused “MI” for Minnesota with “MI” for Michigan. (The postal code for Minnesota is MN, while Michigan is MI, so one can see how this might happen.) So the affidavit, which addresses “anomalies and red flags” in Michigan, is based largely, and mistakenly, on data from Minnesota.

This is a catastrophic error, the kind of thing that causes a legal position to crash and burn. Trump’s lawyers are fighting an uphill battle, to put it mildly, and confusing Michigan with Minnesota will at best make the hill steeper. Credibility once lost is hard to regain. Possibly Trump’s lawyers have already discovered this appalling error, and have undertaken to correct it. But the Ramsland Affidavit was filed in Georgia just yesterday.

A postscript: has Mr. Ramsland inadvertently stumbled across evidence of voter fraud in Minnesota? I seriously doubt it. The venues in question are all in red Greater Minnesota, not in the blue urban areas where voter fraud is common.

Trump’s lawyers have not yet had their day in court, but they will have to do a great deal better than this if they hope to succeed.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/do-trumps-lawyers-know-what-they-are-doing.php
 
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The GOP, self-described party of "law and order," actually want to set the Constitution on fire.

Oh, the irony.
It's silly now. It's going to be downright funny when this failure of a coup is continued to be brought up. Especially when right wing elected officials who stayed silent or even worse....sided with Trump are brought up for reelection. It's great ammo for their opponent.
 

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There are plenty of states that have no state law whatsoever regarding penalties or remediation for faithless electors. Georgia, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Illinois.

Other states have laws, and sometimes even penalties, but the vote counts as it was cast.


That's the coup, if it can actually be pulled off.


The part I don't understand well is, the mechanisms of how the electors are selected, and if there are any state laws saying they must select an elector that swears to vote according to the state's popular vote, or anything like that.


If they try it, of course there will be lawsuits. Perhaps going all the way to the supreme court.
 

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By the way....if you aren't watching John Oliver....you are missing out.
 

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There are plenty of states that have no state law whatsoever regarding penalties or remediation for faithless electors. Georgia, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Illinois.

Other states have laws, and sometimes even penalties, but the vote counts as it was cast.


That's the coup, if it can actually be pulled off.


The part I don't understand well is, the mechanisms of how the electors are selected, and if there are any state laws saying they must select an elector that swears to vote according to the state's popular vote, or anything like that.


If they try it, of course there will be lawsuits. Perhaps going all the way to the supreme court.
Here's the question and the thought exercise: putting aside laws and lawsuits and the constitution (because when you shoot the moon and try for an overthrow, you're not abiding by any laws or any courts), is there a real mechanism for doing these things? Again, regardles of the law? Is there a way to get faithless electors in place--human beings who will go to wherever the EC meets and be in a position to cast illegitimate ballots? If not, you have to wonder whether this whole ploy is a diversionary or delay tactic for something else.

I'm not going to say that what they're trying to accomplish is impossible, because nobody has stopped these people yet, but my gut tells me that their measures are going to have to get a whole lot more desperate and drastic to get this thing over the top.
 
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