All Things Trump Conflicts of Interest Thread

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It is unbelievable hypocrisy that hotel stays (in hotels that it would be logical for them to choose anyway) could be of interest to you after you ignored the Clinton Foundation raking in 100's of millions in from foreign interests while Hillary was SOS and those donations correlated closely with actions taking by the US government on the interest of those foreign groups.

I cannot wait for you to retweet something about Elijah Cummings, Dianne Feinstein or a horde of other establishment politicians who have schemed to rake in millions off of their influence in government.
 

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It is unbelievable hypocrisy that hotel stays (in hotels that it would be logical for them to choose anyway) could be of interest to you after you ignored the Clinton Foundation raking in 100's of millions in from foreign interests while Hillary was SOS and those donations correlated closely with actions taking by the US government on the interest of those foreign groups.

I cannot wait for you to retweet something about Elijah Cummings, Dianne Feinstein or a horde of other establishment politicians who have schemed to rake in millions off of their influence in government.
I suppose the flip of that argument is all the Conservative calls for investigations into the Clinton Foundation, a non-profit, whereas there's nary a peep about direct profit to Trump.

http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?69441-All-things-Clinton-Foundation
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?69952-5-7-of-Clinton-Foundation-Donations-Goes-to-Charity
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?67138-Clinton-Foundation
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?62658-Clinton-fixed-it-for-UBS-then-the-Foundation-got-funds
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?60539-DFL-Leftist-Clinton-Foundation-violated-ethics-agreement
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?68471-Clinton-Foundation-and-Laureate-International-University

For being the manifestation and embodiment of pure evil on Earth, Obama and Clinton sure do get held up as acceptable standards for behavior pretty frequently when it comes to defending Trump.
 

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It is unbelievable hypocrisy that hotel stays (in hotels that it would be logical for them to choose anyway) could be of interest to you after you ignored the Clinton Foundation raking in 100's of millions in from foreign interests while Hillary was SOS and those donations correlated closely with actions taking by the US government on the interest of those foreign groups.

I cannot wait for you to retweet something about Elijah Cummings, Dianne Feinstein or a horde of other establishment politicians who have schemed to rake in millions off of their influence in government.
But Hillary! Trump promised to drain the swamp and you bought it hook line and sinker. Instead he's used his office to profit for himself and his cronies in every way possible.
 

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But Hillary! Trump promised to drain the swamp and you bought it hook line and sinker. Instead he's used his office to profit for himself and his cronies in every way possible.
^^^^ He's right you know. ^^^^

The saddest part is the widest latitude of behavior versus words goes to the biggest hypocrite.

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^^^^ He's right you know. ^^^^

The saddest part is the widest latitude of behavior versus words goes to the biggest hypocrite.

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Has Trump really profited from office? I can't believe he has. Sure, maybe some world leaders stay at his hotel to curry favor. How many other people wouldn't be caught dead doing business with him?
 

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Has Trump really profited from office? I can't believe he has. Sure, maybe some world leaders stay at his hotel to curry favor. How many other people wouldn't be caught dead doing business with him?
Ah, yes. The common definition of "conflict of interest" in which it's only problematic if holding the office has been a profitable enterprise in the aggregate.
 

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Has Trump really profited from office? I can't believe he has. Sure, maybe some world leaders stay at his hotel to curry favor. How many other people wouldn't be caught dead doing business with him?
The simple fact that the government pays Mar-a-lago for the President's stays there is enough to say "Hell, yes. What part of direct payments from the government to President Trump's legal entity is not a profit driven conflict of interest?"

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The simple fact that the government pays Mar-a-lago for the President's stays there is enough to say "Hell, yes. What part of direct payments from the government to President Trump's legal entity is not a profit driven conflict of interest?"

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We have paid his resort more to house him, his family and the secret service at Mar-a Lago than Obama spent on vacations total by a factor of 10's of not hundreds by now. I remember the Fellas screaming bloody murder about Obama's golf. At least he didn't profit tens of thousands of dollars every time he went.

And whatever he's losing from people who won't do business with him, he's gaining back many times over in the deals he's getting for Jared with the Saudi's etc, who magically decided to invest millions in Jared's failed NY buildings when Trump became President. That is far worse, but harder to prove outright. The smaller stuff is just grift right out in the open.
 
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Ah, yes. The common definition of "conflict of interest" in which it's only problematic if holding the office has been a profitable enterprise in the aggregate.
Cool, but I didn’t say any of that. I just asked if it’s been profitable which is what was asserted. Sounds like you agree.


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The simple fact that the government pays Mar-a-lago for the President's stays there is enough to say "Hell, yes. What part of direct payments from the government to President Trump's legal entity is not a profit driven conflict of interest?"

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That wasn’t the question.


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Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

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I questioned whether he has profited because he’s president. That’s not a defense of anything. Deflect what? I asked a question. You didn’t address it. How am I deflecting?


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Cool, but I didn’t say any of that. I just asked if it’s been profitable which is what was asserted. Sounds like you agree.


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Where was that asserted? The post you responded to said:

"^^^^ He's right you know. ^^^^

The saddest part is the widest latitude of behavior versus words goes to the biggest hypocrite. "

If you weren't implying that the lack of overall profitability means the conflicts of interest aren't important, then your post was a total non sequitir.
 

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The simple fact that the government pays Mar-a-lago for the President's stays there is enough to say "Hell, yes. What part of direct payments from the government to President Trump's legal entity is not a profit driven conflict of interest?"

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Get real. He doesn't even accept his pay to be President. He can stay where he wants to. Do you expect him to stay at the Hampton Inn? What a bummer that we elected a President who is actually a successful businessman who didn't earn his money as a US politician selling influence. He owns things. Get over it and enjoy the economy of go get your GED and then enjoy it.
 

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Get real. He doesn't even accept his pay to be President. He can stay where he wants to. Do you expect him to stay at the Hampton Inn? What a bummer that we elected a President who is actually a successful businessman who didn't earn his money as a US politician selling influence. He owns things. Get over it and enjoy the economy of go get your GED and then enjoy it.
First bolded: This is exactly what he's doing now. There are 45 pages of examples.

Second bolded: Great timing.
 

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First bolded: This is exactly what he's doing now. There are 45 pages of examples.

Second bolded: Great timing.
No it is not. He has lost net worth while serving as President. Not that it mattered as he was already worth 3-4 billion- quite likely a lot more than he will need to live out his remaining 6 years as president and perhaps 20 years on earth.

Meanwhile in Europe....https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-07/german-industrial-output-plunges-most-in-almost-four-years
 
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No it is not. He has lost net worth while serving as President. Not that it mattered as he was already worth 3-4 billion- quite likely a lot more than he will need to live out his remaining 6 years as president and perhaps 20 years on earth.

Meanwhile in Europe....https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-07/german-industrial-output-plunges-most-in-almost-four-years
Again, it's very possible to sell influence while at the same time running a net loss in your personal business.

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Again, it's very possible to sell influence while at the same time running a net loss in your personal business.

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So your collection of tweets show that Trump's Hotels sold rooms to the Saudis well before (2001- 2015) and after the election. So nothing changed because he became a politician. Perfect. Thanks for making my point for me.

Would the Trump administration be the first administration to sell arms to the Saudis? Guess not....

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-security/obama-administration-arms-sales-offers-to-saudi-top-115-billion-report-idUSKCN11D2JQ

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration has offered Saudi Arabia more than $115 billion in weapons, other military equipment and training, the most of any U.S. administration in the 71-year U.S.-Saudi alliance, a report seen by Reuters has found.

Obviously, as a community organizer who had to borrow money from a crook to buy his Chicago home, Obama didn't own any hotels to rent to the Saudis. So there is that...
 
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Get real. He doesn't even accept his pay to be President. He can stay where he wants to. Do you expect him to stay at the Hampton Inn? What a bummer that we elected a President who is actually a successful businessman who didn't earn his money as a US politician selling influence. He owns things. Get over it and enjoy the economy of go get your GED and then enjoy it.
He is the most conflicted President in history. We made Jimmy Carter sell his peanut farm, but Don hasn't done one thing to remove his conflicts except put his sons in charge and claim they don't discuss anything which is absurd. He has filled his cabinet with people using their positions to enrich themselves from Wilbur Ross to Zinke to Price. Not mention Jared's many shady dealings. You don't care. Corruption and grifting is OK as long as they're a Republican.
 

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No it is not. He has lost net worth while serving as President. Not that it mattered as he was already worth 3-4 billion- quite likely a lot more than he will need to live out his remaining 6 years as president and perhaps 20 years on earth.

Meanwhile in Europe....https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-07/german-industrial-output-plunges-most-in-almost-four-years
How could you possibly know that? Have you seen his tax returns? He is not only deeply conflicted, he's offered zero transparency.
 

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I read. You should try it. Here- see if you can get all the way through this: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-forbes-billionaires-list-net-worth-3-billion-2019-3

Do you ever get embarrassed that you get schooled so often?
Forbes list means little. Of course Trump cares about it, that's why he's lied to them in the past.

Michael Cohen, Trumps' former layer and fixer, also testified to Congress last week that the president attempted to inflate his worth to Forbes.

"It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes, such as trying to be listed among the wealthiest people in Forbes, and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes," Cohen said in his prepared testimony.
 

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Where was that asserted? The post you responded to said:

"^^^^ He's right you know. ^^^^

The saddest part is the widest latitude of behavior versus words goes to the biggest hypocrite. "

If you weren't implying that the lack of overall profitability means the conflicts of interest aren't important, then your post was a total non sequitir.
Howies post. Is what that post was agreeing with.

Trump is profiting from office. That’s the assertion. I think it’s completely questionable. I could believe
It has but not a given to me.
Even if he’s lost money he can have problematic conflicts of interest.


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Disgusting.
He's trolling you on the left and advertising at the same time. I very much doubt that G7 is held there but he knows he can get you outraged which means tons of coverage..which means much recognition for the resort. If the media is going to hate you, you might as well take advantage of it. At some point soon he will likely announce that they chose another site and that it's too bad because the Miami Doral is the best.
 

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He's trolling you on the left and advertising at the same time. I very much doubt that G7 is held there but he knows he can get you outraged which means tons of coverage..which means much recognition for the resort. If the media is going to hate you, you might as well take advantage of it. At some point soon he will likely announce that they chose another site and that it's too bad because the Miami Doral is the best.
More 19-D chess from the stable genius. And no need to worry about holding it in Florida during hurricane season. We'll nuke the SOB's! MAGA!
 

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More 19-D chess from the stable genius. And no need to worry about holding it in Florida during hurricane season. We'll nuke the SOB's! MAGA!
More Fake News and checkers from Howie.
 
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