All things Tim Walz. Is he doing a good job?

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He hasn't waited two weeks.

He waited 8 weeks to even consider thinking about nursing homes. He's still thinking, it appears.
It seems most were on board with what was done through May 4th. Since then, the right has been screaming and moaning about every word he says.
 

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Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Australia, Iowa, Texas, Georgia, 25 other states and Florida, Belgium, have all put this bullshit to rest. Can we?
 

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So you like that MN has done really poorly responding to Covid, and as a result many have needlessly died? Yikes.
Want to play that game?

Trump and company calling coronavirus a hoax.....telling people that all fifteen cases were going down to zero? Not getting companies on board to help with PPE?

Damn....Trump really caused many to needlessly die. If only he wouldn't have lied for no reason.
 

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The state constitution grants him emergency powers, of course. And the federal constitution grants states their due rights.

So I'm afraid you don't have a leg to stand on.

Thankfully, our supreme court isn't anywhere near that shitburger Wisconsin's. Get out, and move over there, if that's what you want.
First, emergency powers never Trump the Constitution...ever.
Second, the Minnesota Constitution limits the emergency powers, in which Walz has overstepped.
Third, there are now many States who have overturned illegal declarations by Governor's. The question is not if Governor Walz will see his actions anuled. The question is when. The first judge is set for Tuesday, May 26th.
 

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First, emergency powers never Trump the Constitution...ever.
Second, the Minnesota Constitution limits the emergency powers, in which Walz has overstepped.
Third, there are now many States who have overturned illegal declarations by Governor's. The question is not if Governor Walz will see his actions anuled. The question is when. The first judge is set for Tuesday, May 26th.
Walz hasn’t overstepped anything. That’s your opinion, and you’re not a lawyer.

Doubt it’s many other states, either. I know of none off the top of my head than Wisconsin. But I don’t keep tabs on such a silly subject. How many is it, what’s the number?
 

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Walz hasn’t overstepped anything. That’s your opinion, and you’re not a lawyer.
And the same can be said about you.

I’ll get this in now - however you response to this will surely be ridiculous.
 

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Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark, Australia, Iowa, Texas, Georgia, 25 other states and Florida, Belgium, have all put this bullshit to rest. Can we?
Go move to one of those places. See ya!
 

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https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-church-groups-divided-on-gov-walz-s-orders/570676942/

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Health officials have argued that church settings are particularly vulnerable to spreading the coronavirus.

Earlier this week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a report on the repercussions of a rural Arkansas church’s decision to open from March 6 to 11.


The report found that among the 92 people who attended services, 35 developed COVID-19 and three died.

Given those numbers, clergy such as the Rev. Billy Russell, president of the Minnesota State Baptist Convention, are strictly following the state’s health care recommendations.

He’s been livestreaming services from his Greater Friendship Missionary Baptist Church in Minneapolis and has no plans to change for now.

His congregation is largely black, a community hit particularly hard by the coronavirus.

“I’m going to stay with the state’s recommendation and listen to the professionals,” he said. “They’ve got the data.”

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https://www.startribune.com/brooks-...anyone-but-rushing-to-reopen-might/570680062/

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Not attending church won't kill anyone, but rushing to reopen might
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The Catholic conference and the conservative Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod — who the rest of Minnesota Lutherans would like you to know do not speak for them — are promising every precaution as they defy the state’s pandemic plan. They promise masks, deep cleaning, and houses of worship no more than a third full.

They took precautions at Holy Ghost Catholic Church in Houston, Texas, too, when they reopened earlier this month. Now they’re burying one of their priests, other priests and parishioners have tested positive for COVID-19 and the church is closed again.

Maybe we can’t save everyone from this pandemic.

But I expected the churches to try.

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^^^ gee, I wonder what the hell Walz and his team were thinking???

Quite obvious they were just throwing darts at a wall of stuff to reopen. Picking winners and losers! :sneaky:
 

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Walz hasn’t overstepped anything. That’s your opinion, and you’re not a lawyer.

Doubt it’s many other states, either. I know of none off the top of my head than Wisconsin. But I don’t keep tabs on such a silly subject. How many is it, what’s the number?
You have your head in the sand. At least five states have now overturned their governors overstep in the last five days.
With Walz showing preference to some while shutting down others, the lack of equity is obvious even to the obtuse. That you are blind to what is happening is just proof as to your level of knowledge on the subject.
 

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https://www.startribune.com/brooks-...anyone-but-rushing-to-reopen-might/570680062/

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Not attending church won't kill anyone, but rushing to reopen might
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The Catholic conference and the conservative Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod — who the rest of Minnesota Lutherans would like you to know do not speak for them — are promising every precaution as they defy the state’s pandemic plan. They promise masks, deep cleaning, and houses of worship no more than a third full.

They took precautions at Holy Ghost Catholic Church in Houston, Texas, too, when they reopened earlier this month. Now they’re burying one of their priests, other priests and parishioners have tested positive for COVID-19 and the church is closed again.

Maybe we can’t save everyone from this pandemic.

But I expected the churches to try.

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Do you think Christians worry about their own death? Why would you expect churches to not meet when they have met for millenniums under much more trying circumstances than a virus that isn't wiping out huge portions of society.
Now, if you're an atheist, then all you get is the few years here on Earth. You should be quaking in your boots.
 

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^^^ gee, I wonder what the hell Walz and his team were thinking???

Quite obvious they were just throwing darts at a wall of stuff to reopen. Picking winners and losers! :sneaky:
The church said it was possible Kirchner, 79, contracted COVID-19 and that "one or more of the community might have been exposed." The priest's cause of death is unknown, though he was diagnosed with pneumonia before he died at home May 13.

Don't see that he died for Covid-19. We are 8 days after his death, I would assume if he had tested positive that would have made the news.
 

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Today President Trump declared all churches as essential. He told the governor's to open them back up.
How long will Walz fight back when both bars and churches across the State are filing lawsuits and the President of the United States is opposed to him? I Walz folds before the weekend, but it will be sooner than later. Society and Law stand opposed to him.
 

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https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-church-groups-divided-on-gov-walz-s-orders/570676942/

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Health officials have argued that church settings are particularly vulnerable to spreading the coronavirus.

Earlier this week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention issued a report on the repercussions of a rural Arkansas church’s decision to open from March 6 to 11.

The report found that among the 92 people who attended services, 35 developed COVID-19 and three died.


Given those numbers, clergy such as the Rev. Billy Russell, president of the Minnesota State Baptist Convention, are strictly following the state’s health care recommendations.

He’s been livestreaming services from his Greater Friendship Missionary Baptist Church in Minneapolis and has no plans to change for now.

His congregation is largely black, a community hit particularly hard by the coronavirus.

“I’m going to stay with the state’s recommendation and listen to the professionals,” he said. “They’ve got the data.”

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I blame Governor Walz for this. If only he would have opened everything earlier.
 

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Today President Trump declared all churches as essential. He told the governor's to open them back up.
How long will Walz fight back when both bars and churches across the State are filing lawsuits and the President of the United States is opposed to him? I Walz folds before the weekend, but it will be sooner than later. Society and Law stand opposed to him.
How is Trump "ordering" Churches open any less "authoritarian" than Walz keeping them closed?
 

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Wait, what happened to states’ rights?

Why bother asking, we know the response from the “freedom” lovers will be that they have the right to go to church according to the first amendment. Completely false answer in emergency times, such as now. But being wrong never stopped them from believing it before.
 

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Here's a copy and paste of the article for those without a subscription:

Minnesota Not Nice
Could a state design a more destructive policy to address coronavirus?
By
James Freeman
May 21, 2020 1:19 pm ET
Thank goodness Covid-19 isn’t as deadly as many media pundits feared. Given the incomprehensible policy blunders of Minnesota’s state government, its health system might have been completely overwhelmed by now.

The sad news from the Land of 10,000 Lakes (and nearly 50,000 state employees) is that Minnesota has been implementing the disastrous Covid-19 strategy made famous by New York’s Gov. Andrew Cuomo. The essence of the plan is to forcefully reduce the income of people at low risk, while simultaneously increasing the chances of virus exposure for those at high risk.

Chris Serres reports in the Minneapolis Star Tribune:

Early in the pandemic, the Minnesota Department of Health turned to nursing homes and other long-term care facilities to relieve the burden on hospitals that were at risk of being overwhelmed by COVID-19 patients. Minnesota hospitals have since discharged dozens of infected patients to nursing homes, including facilities that have undergone large and deadly outbreaks of the disease, state records show...
One such facility, North Ridge Health and Rehab in New Hope, has accepted 42 patients from hospitals and other long-term care facilities since mid-April even as the coronavirus has raged through its 320-bed nursing home, killing 48 of its patients and infecting scores more.
It’s almost beyond belief that governors like Minnesota’s Tim Walz and New York’s Mr. Cuomo would impose impoverishing lockdowns that restrict so much of everyday life—while systematically endangering the elderly who bear by far the greatest risk.

The results in Minnesota are hardly surprising. On Tuesday the Star Tribune’s Jeremy Olson reported:

Deaths from COVID-19 continue to be concentrated among the elderly and residents of long-term care facilities, with 13 of 17 newly reported fatalities on Tuesday involving residents of these facilities.
The pandemic has now been associated with 748 deaths in Minnesota, including 608 long-term care residents, according to the latest COVID-19 figures provided Tuesday by the Minnesota Department of Health. Total infections have reached 17,029, and the number of hospitalized patients stands at 545 — with 229 of those patients in intensive care.
“State health officials on Monday said they were making strides in their latest strategies to protect residents and workers at long-term care facilities,” adds Mr. Olson.

Apparently Minnesota’s governor is really impressed with the progress being made by his entire team. Over at the St. Paul Pioneer Press, Christopher Magan reports:

The administration of Democratic Gov. Tim Walz will go ahead and implement pay raises in July for thousands of state workers over the objections of Republicans who control the state Senate...
Senate Majority Leader Paul Gazelka, R-Nisswa, said Tuesday implementing the raises would be “tone deaf” because “there are 12 unemployed Minnesotans for every state employee who would receive a raise this July.”
A new Journal editorial notes another appalling element of the Walz agenda as he ever so slowly allows Minnesotans to resume their lives:
Minnesota churchgoers were hoping for a reprieve Wednesday when Gov. Tim Walz, as expected, announced steps for easing restrictions on bars, restaurants, hair salons and barbershops starting June 1. But churches didn’t make the cut.
In response, an interfaith group including the Minnesota Catholic Conference, the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod and the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty immediately put the Governor on notice. In accordance with their First Amendment right to the free exercise of religion, they sent letters to their congregations and Gov. Walz announcing their intention to reopen their churches next week—without his blessing.
As far as the plans blessed by governors like Messrs. Walz and Cuomo, it’s getting harder to tell what they have to do with countering the virus. Meanwhile in New Jersey another Democrat, Gov. Phil Murphy, has been blaming nursing-home operators for the relatively high death toll in such facilities. But Susan Livio and Ted Sherman at NJ.com say their reporting “points to major missteps and negligence by the state.” They note:
Despite the governor’s criticism of nursing home operators, the long-term care facility in New Jersey with the most deaths is the state-run Veterans Memorial Home in Paramus, which as of Monday reported 79 dead and 283 residents testing positive for COVID-19.
Governors should immediately liberate private citizens to exercise their beliefs, restore their livelihoods and protect their elderly neighbors.
 

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How is Trump "ordering" Churches open any less "authoritarian" than Walz keeping them closed?
He's not ordering them to open. They can choose to stay closed. He's making their opening equitable with other organizations that are already open.
Personally, I would prefer giving individuals the free right (found in the Constitution) to assemble. If a human chooses poorly, they reap what they sow. Let the market dictate.
For those who are highly at risk, we can mitigate their risks if they so choose.
What we have seen over the past 90 days is how socialism removes human rights and how those who buy in to that oppression become snitches to the oppressing government. It was like watching the first layer of Soviet Communism fall across the land. Eery in how easily manipulated people were.
 

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Wait, what happened to states’ rights?

Why bother asking, we know the response from the “freedom” lovers will be that they have the right to go to church according to the first amendment. Completely false answer in emergency times, such as now. But being wrong never stopped them from believing it before.
Walz has the freedom to keep breaking the Constitution until the courts stop him. Citizens have the right to remove him from office. Under Federalism States rights are given unless the State breaks the Constitution. If this were not so, the Civil Rights movement would never have seen Federal protection by the US government. States could have dictated anything they wanted. In this case, Walz falls on the wrong side of the law.
 

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He's not ordering them to open. They can choose to stay closed. He's making their opening equitable with other organizations that are already open.
Personally, I would prefer giving individuals the free right (found in the Constitution) to assemble. If a human chooses poorly, they reap what they sow. Let the market dictate.
For those who are highly at risk, we can mitigate their risks if they so choose.
What we have seen over the past 90 days is how socialism removes human rights and how those who buy in to that oppression become snitches to the oppressing government. It was like watching the first layer of Soviet Communism fall across the land. Eery in how easily manipulated people were.
Making a decision you disagree with about how to manage a pandemic does not equal Socialism or Communism. Stop it.

I tend to agree, that the fight is not worth it. If folks want to take an unwise risk, let them. But like drunk driving, it won't only impact them.
 

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Making a decision you disagree with about how to manage a pandemic does not equal Socialism or Communism. Stop it.

I tend to agree, that the fight is not worth it. If folks want to take an unwise risk, let them. But like drunk driving, it won't only impact them.
Their rights to freedom end, where involuntary manslaughter starts.

People clamoring to reopen should be forced to sign a legal document that they can be held liable for death or injury they cause by passing the virus on to others.
 

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Walz has the freedom to keep breaking the Constitution until the courts stop him. Citizens have the right to remove him from office. Under Federalism States rights are given unless the State breaks the Constitution. If this were not so, the Civil Rights movement would never have seen Federal protection by the US government. States could have dictated anything they wanted. In this case, Walz falls on the wrong side of the law.
Go for it, lawsuit wise.

Trump has no such power to force states to open churches. His blathering will at most amount to a symbolic desire for people to break their state’s emergency orders.
 

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Making a decision you disagree with about how to manage a pandemic does not equal Socialism or Communism. Stop it.

I tend to agree, that the fight is not worth it. If folks want to take an unwise risk, let them. But like drunk driving, it won't only impact them.
When the decision breaks the Constitution and establishes government as the only one that can make decisions for a people, that is the essence of totalitarianism, which is what socialism points toward in the form of communism. You are welcome to close your eyes if that's not what you want to see. In your imagination you may think it's a rainbow forest of gumdrops and lollipops.
 

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Go for it, lawsuit wise.

Trump has no such power to force states to open churches. His blathering will at most amount to a symbolic desire for people to break their state’s emergency orders.
Government has zero power to close churches. Read your first amendment.
 

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Here's a copy and paste of the article for those without a subscription:

Minnesota Not Nice
Could a state design a more destructive policy to address coronavirus?
By
James Freeman
May 21, 2020 1:19 pm ET
Thank goodness Covid-19 isn’t as deadly as many media pundits feared. Given the incomprehensible policy blunders of Minnesota’s state government, its health system might have been completely overwhelmed by now.

The sad news from the Land of 10,000 Lakes (and nearly 50,000 state employees) is that Minnesota has been implementing the disastrous Covid-19 strategy made famous by New York’s Gov. Andrew Cuomo. The essence of the plan is to forcefully reduce the income of people at low risk, while simultaneously increasing the chances of virus exposure for those at high risk.

Chris Serres reports in the Minneapolis Star Tribune:


It’s almost beyond belief that governors like Minnesota’s Tim Walz and New York’s Mr. Cuomo would impose impoverishing lockdowns that restrict so much of everyday life—while systematically endangering the elderly who bear by far the greatest risk.

The results in Minnesota are hardly surprising. On Tuesday the Star Tribune’s Jeremy Olson reported:


“State health officials on Monday said they were making strides in their latest strategies to protect residents and workers at long-term care facilities,” adds Mr. Olson.

Apparently Minnesota’s governor is really impressed with the progress being made by his entire team. Over at the St. Paul Pioneer Press, Christopher Magan reports:


A new Journal editorial notes another appalling element of the Walz agenda as he ever so slowly allows Minnesotans to resume their lives:


As far as the plans blessed by governors like Messrs. Walz and Cuomo, it’s getting harder to tell what they have to do with countering the virus. Meanwhile in New Jersey another Democrat, Gov. Phil Murphy, has been blaming nursing-home operators for the relatively high death toll in such facilities. But Susan Livio and Ted Sherman at NJ.com say their reporting “points to major missteps and negligence by the state.” They note:

Governors should immediately liberate private citizens to exercise their beliefs, restore their livelihoods and protect their elderly neighbors.
Pay raises for state employees? Is this correct? There should be massive furloughs and 10-20% pay cuts the remainder for the duration. Is this article correct?
 

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Go for it, lawsuit wise.

Trump has no such power to force states to open churches. His blathering will at most amount to a symbolic desire for people to break their state’s emergency orders.
Why can't the churches open, allowing younger low risk people to attend and higher risk people still stay home? Reduce capacity, space people out etc. Same measures that are being applied across the spectrum of other businesses? People that don't want to take the risk can stay home, people who do can attend.

Anyone still defending Walz at this point is a moron. I cannot stress that more.
 
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