All Things "The Trump Admin is Objectively Ineffective"

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We’re pretty close to that point now, you’re just blissfully ignorant on who is going to be the authoritarian regime. Why is it that progs don’t think left wing governments are the authoritarian ones when they almost all are (yes including hitler).


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Your understanding of WW2 is as complete as the American Civil War, I see.
 

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Instead of starting a new thread, I'll just put this here.

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What in God's name is the idea behind bald-face lying all the time, even and especially when you have no reason to? I mean, did he really expect the soldiers to not know they've been getting raises all along or that they didn't just get a massive one? Doesn't he know that speaking obvious falsehoods to people's faces ruins your credibility with them? What can possibly be gained by compulsively lying like this?

I've said for some time that the best definition of compulsive or psychotic behavior is stuff that an observer just can't understand or find a reason for. Even a lot of antisocial or sociopathic behavior has a clear agenda, motive, desired outcome that makes sense, even in a screwed-up way.
He bald-face lies because ~40% of Americans are suckered by him. So an equally valid question is: why should he NOT lie? If he told the truth, almost no one would support him.
 

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We’re pretty close to that point now, you’re just blissfully ignorant on who is going to be the authoritarian regime. Why is it that progs don’t think left wing governments are the authoritarian ones when they almost all are (yes including hitler).


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Says the guy who championed against net neutrality harder than anyone. And Hitler was left-wing. Because you say so. Brilliant.
 

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He bald-face lies because ~40% of Americans are suckered by him. So an equally valid question is: why should he NOT lie? If he told the truth, almost no one would support him.
Exactly. It keeps the 30% gushing about how amazing he is "He loves our troops like no President before him!" while the 70% just roll their eyes. One more lie doesn't make any difference. May as well make it a good one. The few Trumpsters smart enough to know it's a lie either ignore it or explain it away.
 

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All Things &quot;The Trump Admin is Objectively Ineffective&quot;

Says the guy who championed against net neutrality harder than anyone. And Hitler was left-wing. Because you say so. Brilliant.
How am I even reading this post? The end of the internet is surely here by now? Oh wait. You think net neutrality repeal was authoritarian? Oh wow. How sad.

Yeah, the leader of the national socialist party was left wing. Agreed.


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Your understanding of WW2 is as complete as the American Civil War, I see.
I don’t really see what that has to do with the actual war. But whatever.


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How am I even reading this post? The end of the internet is surely here by now? Oh wait. You think net neutrality repeal was authoritarian? Oh wow. How sad.


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Did I say it was authoritarian? Increasingly we receive all of our information whether TV or newspapers via our internet connection. If Sinclair Broadcasting buys up internet providers and allows only pro-Trump media through, you would be fine with that. And if a left-wing outfit does the opposite, I guess you'll be fine with that too. Because we can just choose to not have internet access!

Meanwhile, you bemoan an "authoritarian regime" restricting access to news sources. If it happens, it will be because of things like the above, not because President Klobuchar will rule with an iron fist and take away your InfoWars.
 

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Did I say it was authoritarian? Increasingly we receive all of our information whether TV or newspapers via our internet connection. If Sinclair Broadcasting buys up internet providers and allows only pro-Trump media through, you would be fine with that. And if a left-wing outfit does the opposite, I guess you'll be fine with that too. Because we can just choose to not have internet access!

Meanwhile, you bemoan an "authoritarian regime" restricting access to news sources. If it happens, it will be because of things like the above, not because President Klobuchar will rule with an iron fist and take away your InfoWars.
:clap: spot on
 

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All Things &quot;The Trump Admin is Objectively Ineffective&quot;

Did I say it was authoritarian? Increasingly we receive all of our information whether TV or newspapers via our internet connection. If Sinclair Broadcasting buys up internet providers and allows only pro-Trump media through, you would be fine with that. And if a left-wing outfit does the opposite, I guess you'll be fine with that too. Because we can just choose to not have internet access!

Meanwhile, you bemoan an "authoritarian regime" restricting access to news sources. If it happens, it will be because of things like the above, not because President Klobuchar will rule with an iron fist and take away your InfoWars.
Lol!! It’s not possible Howie. The only way Sinclair or left wing Silicon Valley companies can gain that kind of control is thru government.

Without a huge change of direction, we are on the path to totalitarianism. It’s going to be a big crash and a depression, and a Young Bernie Sanders type, maybe a David Hogg. Not a trump or a ted Cruz. The complicit MSM and Silicon Valley is what you need to accomplish it. A true propaganda machine.

Local news is your concern and a single cable channel. Lol! Net neutrality! You guys were so sure of yourselves!!
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I don’t really see what that has to do with the actual war. But whatever.


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If you don’t, I can’t take anything you say seriously and have to assume you are forever trolling. But because I’m bored, explain why Germany had two fronts. I hope the answer involves an excuse to fly swastika flags from Anoka High School student pickups and heritage, not hate. And something arcanely Clavinesque about the Treaty of Versailles being invalid. I am playing duece bingo, and I’ve got three corners...
 
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Lol!! It’s not possible Howie. The only way Sinclair or left wing Silicon Valley companies can gain that kind of control is thru government.

Without a huge change of direction, we are on the path to totalitarianism. It’s going to be a big crash and a depression, and a Young Bernie Sanders type, maybe a David Hogg. Not a trump or a ted Cruz. The complicit MSM and Silicon Valley is what you need to accomplish it. A true propaganda machine.

Local news is your concern and a single cable channel. Lol! Net neutrality! You guys were so sure of yourselves!!
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You know you have a great argument when you have to name drop a 17 year old to make your point. Kudos.
 

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Lol!! It’s not possible Howie. The only way Sinclair or left wing Silicon Valley companies can gain that kind of control is thru government.

Without a huge change of direction, we are on the path to totalitarianism. It’s going to be a big crash and a depression, and a Young Bernie Sanders type, maybe a David Hogg. Not a trump or a ted Cruz. The complicit MSM and Silicon Valley is what you need to accomplish it. A true propaganda machine.

Local news is your concern and a single cable channel. Lol! Net neutrality! You guys were so sure of yourselves!!
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Nice word salad. David Hogg!?! Has he supplanted Ocasio-Cortez as the face of the party already?
 

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He bald-face lies because ~40% of Americans are suckered by him. So an equally valid question is: why should he NOT lie? If he told the truth, almost no one would support him.
Well, where the rubber hits the road is the current shutdown situation. He lied to the country that Mexico would pay for the wall. Then he lied to his supporters that the Republican Congress would fund it. Now he shut the government down at considerable cost to individuals, local governments, and ultimately the economy because the Democrats won't bail him out of his lying.
 

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You know you have a great argument when you have to name drop a 17 year old to make your point. Kudos.
I’m giving you the personality type that will be a leftist authoritarian to counter howedas Klobuchar straw man.


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If you don’t, I can’t take anything you say seriously and have to assume you are forever trolling. But because I’m bored, explain why Germany had two fronts. I hope the answer involves an excuse to fly swastika flags from Anoka High School student pickups and heritage, not hate. And something arcanely Clavinesque about the Treaty of Versailles being invalid. I am playing duece bingo, and I’ve got three corners...
Is it your position that because the Nazis were at war with communists, this proves that Fascism/nazism are right wing?


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Nice word salad. David Hogg!?! Has he supplanted Ocasio-Cortez as the face of the party already?
When you got nothing, it’s a word salad so you can’t possibly respond. Of course!
Cmon progs, aren’t you still irate about net neutrality? Jake, where are you?


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I’m giving you the personality type that will be a leftist authoritarian to counter howedas Klobuchar straw man.


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Yes. Because David Hogg if far more likely to be President one day than Amy Klobuchar. You're really dumb sometimes.
 

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Yes. Because David Hogg if far more likely to be President one day than Amy Klobuchar. You're really dumb sometimes.
What does “personality type” mean to you?


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Is it your position that because the Nazis were at war with communists, this proves that Fascism/nazism are right wing?


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I know people exist who believe all totalitarians are left wing, but they also would have to own that extreme right would be anarchy. And that isn’t so, either.
 

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Yes. Because David Hogg if far more likely to be President one day than Amy Klobuchar. You're really dumb sometimes.
I'm more likely to be elected President than Amy K. And we all know that ain't happenin'. I would love to see that poor lost lady run.
 

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I know people exist who believe all totalitarians are left wing, but they also would have to own that extreme right would be anarchy. And that isn’t so, either.
Hmm, you didn’t answer.
Pinochet was a right wing dictator. You could argue many monarchies were essentially right wing dictatorships. Capitalism is freedom. Pure laissez faire capitalism is not anarchy.


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I know people exist who believe all totalitarians are left wing, but they also would have to own that extreme right would be anarchy. And that isn’t so, either.
What, you don't remember the Nazi slogan: "Equality fur allen macht frei!" ?!?
 

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I know people exist who believe all totalitarians are left wing, but they also would have to own that extreme right would be anarchy. And that isn’t so, either.
It's easier to think of things as "left and right" but it's insufficient. The only recent example of a "right wing" totalitarian is Pinochet. Left and right isn't an accurate way to think of things. There probably is no perfect way. But certainly most of the 20th century dictators were on the left, including Hitler.
 

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I will never accuse Trump using rhetoric that is always consistent with his administration. In fact, I made a pretty damning comment yesterday about his sometimes delusional comments.

But, that doesn’t mean that his comments aren’t often strategic. In this case, it’s a push and pull attempt. Trump is the Push and Sec Nielsen is the Pull. Both can be effective. Maybe a little frustrating those countries, but it keeps them on their toes and they don’t take us for granted as they have in the past.

Trump is a grinder.
 
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