All Things Impeachment Inquiry

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You weren't sure if you jaywalked, but you think you might have.

So you hack into the city's security camera system, and delete the video showing you crossing the street from the system.


Turns out, you didn't break any jaywalking laws when you crossed street.


No crimes were committed, then?
What's the crime? Please cite the statute. Neither Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiuff, nor Jerry Nadler, have been able to cite an actual statute that was broken. Why haven't you asked yourself "why not"?
 

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You support Congress changing the rules for the impeachment process to exclude Republicans, the CIA changing the rules for the whistle-blower process to exclude evidence, launching an impeachment inquiry into ANY and ALL FUTURE Presidents if they try to investigate foreign election tampering or high level political corruption. It's really sick what you support. No liberal would ever be on board with this.
Your first sentence is living in some other reality than this one. None of that has happened or will happen.

That's what I believe.
 

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What's the crime? Please cite the statute.
Illegal misuse of security systems. I don't know the statute off the top of my head -- which doesn't prove it doesn't exist. I believe it does, I'm just not going to spend any effort to look it up.
 

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Illegal misuse of security systems. I don't know the statute off the top of my head -- which doesn't prove it doesn't exist. I believe it does, I'm just not going to spend any effort to look it up.
So you have no idea what the law says & don't care to understand. Well isn't that convenient. Since you're the one making these false claims, the burden really is on you to understand what you're claiming. Since what you're talking about is overturning the will of the American people and subverting the Democratic process, it seems like a pretty important detail.
 

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Your first sentence is living in some other reality than this one. None of that has happened or will happen.

That's what I believe.
Are you completely illiterate politically? Are you unaware that Pelosi changed the rules of impeachment to exclude Republicans & take away any voice, or representation for Trump voters?

- Nancy Pelosi’s December 2018 Rule Changes Block Republicans From Participating In Impeachment Process:
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/09/29/nancy-pelosis-december-2018-rule-changes-block-republicans-participating-impeachment-process/

Let me guess, you also didn't know that the CIA secretly changed the whistleblower rules in August, the week before this happened, eliminating the need for evidence?

- Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/

Perhaps you're also unaware that the so-called whistleblower is represented by attorneys who have represented Hillary Clinton & Chuck Schumer?

- Attorney For Anti-Trump ‘Whistleblower’ Worked For Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/24/attorney-for-anti-trump-whistleblower-worked-for-hillary-clinton-chuck-schumer/

Are you also unaware these same lawyers offer to pay people to break the law & smear the POTUS?

- Ukraine whistleblower’s lawyers work for group that offers to pay officials who leak against Trump:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/ukraine-whistleblowers-lawyers-work-for-group-that-offers-to-pay-officials-who-leak-against-trump
 

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If you get your news from Jake Tapper they do, but according to the facts of the case? Not even close.
I watched three Sunday morning news shows today. Chris Wallace, Geo Stephanopolous, and Jake Tapper.

Tapper was a complete partisan hack. I used to respect him, but he’s apparently abandon any sense of journalistic integrity to TDS and CNN’s anti-Trump mission. He repeatedly attacked and interrupted Congressman Jim Jordan and distorted Jordan’s comments back to him. Shameless.

I thought George Steph was pretty fair except he didn’t challenge Adam Stiff on anything (per usual), though the point I wanted him challenged on most was discussed later in the show, and kind of scoffed at Giuliani’s claims. Chris Wallace, though I believe he is usually the most non-partisan, seems to have a hair up his butt with Trump on this situation. He repeatedly interrupted Steven Miller, an admittedly unlikable guy, which made it very difficult to answer questions that Wallace asked. Miller persisted and eventually answered the way he wanted. Wallace has also shown some bias on some evidence in the Trump and Biden circumstances.
 

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Again...ALL transcripts of conversations between the POTUS & foreign leaders are classified. What part of that don't you get?
Regarding this, maybe mnplsgopher could provide us a transcript of any other President speaking to a foreign leader on a phone call?
 

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So you have no idea what the law says & don't care to understand. Well isn't that convenient. Since you're the one making these false claims, the burden really is on you to understand what you're claiming. Since what you're talking about is overturning the will of the American people and subverting the Democratic process, it seems like a pretty important detail.
No biggie. For Dems.
 

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So you have no idea what the law says & don't care to understand. Well isn't that convenient. Since you're the one making these false claims, the burden really is on you to understand what you're claiming. Since what you're talking about is overturning the will of the American people and subverting the Democratic process, it seems like a pretty important detail.
I don’t care what the American people want. A lot of them don’t really deserve a vote, in my opinion. There just isn’t a good enough system where denying it to them gives a better outcome than letting them have it.
 

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I don’t care what the American people want. A lot of them don’t really deserve a vote, in my opinion. There just isn’t a good enough system where denying it to them gives a better outcome than letting them have it.
Spoken like a true leftist.
 

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Susan Rice said Obama also stored his conversations on secured servers. Case closed.
Even if she did (you aren’t linking to her actual quote, of course), you know there is a difference between simply secured and the level of security that Trump misused.

The fact you’re trying to hide that shows just how devious you’re trying to be, in your effort to have it your way.
 

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Even if she did (you aren’t linking to her actual quote, of course), you know there is a difference between simply secured and the level of security that Trump misused.

The fact you’re trying to hide that shows just how devious you’re trying to be, in your effort to have it your way.
Please explains the details of the difference? Enquiring minds want to know.
 

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Are you completely illiterate politically? Are you unaware that Pelosi changed the rules of impeachment to exclude Republicans & take away any voice, or representation for Trump voters?

- Nancy Pelosi’s December 2018 Rule Changes Block Republicans From Participating In Impeachment Process:
https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/09/29/nancy-pelosis-december-2018-rule-changes-block-republicans-participating-impeachment-process/

Let me guess, you also didn't know that the CIA secretly changed the whistleblower rules in August, the week before this happened, eliminating the need for evidence?

- Intel Community Secretly Gutted Requirement Of First-Hand Whistleblower Knowledge:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/27/intel-community-secretly-gutted-requirement-of-first-hand-whistleblower-knowledge/

Perhaps you're also unaware that the so-called whistleblower is represented by attorneys who have represented Hillary Clinton & Chuck Schumer?

- Attorney For Anti-Trump ‘Whistleblower’ Worked For Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer:
https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/24/attorney-for-anti-trump-whistleblower-worked-for-hillary-clinton-chuck-schumer/

Are you also unaware these same lawyers offer to pay people to break the law & smear the POTUS?

- Ukraine whistleblower’s lawyers work for group that offers to pay officials who leak against Trump:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house/ukraine-whistleblowers-lawyers-work-for-group-that-offers-to-pay-officials-who-leak-against-trump
Redstate, thefederalist, wash examiner. All trashy hack sites.

If what you claim is actual truth and not fabrication, you wouldn’t need to resort to those kinds of citations.
 

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Even if she did (you aren’t linking to her actual quote, of course), you know there is a difference between simply secured and the level of security that Trump misused.

The fact you’re trying to hide that shows just how devious you’re trying to be, in your effort to have it your way.
Are ALL presidential telephone calls with foreign leaders classified, yes or no?
 

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Redstate, thefederalist, wash examiner. All trashy hack sites.

If what you claim is actual truth and not fabrication, you wouldn’t need to resort to those kinds of citations.
Trashy sites? Name a conservative site that you don’t think is trashy? The Weekly Standard? Hahaha

Those are legitimate conservative news sites. Extremely legitimate.
 

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Are ALL presidential telephone calls with foreign leaders classified, yes or no?
The answer to this question doesn’t matter to the discussion. Probably why you’re asking it.

The questions you should be asking yourself: are there different levels of security encoded in our laws and is it possible to illegal misuse systems that are supposed to be dedicated for certain levels?
 

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Redstate, thefederalist, wash examiner. All trashy hack sites.

If what you claim is actual truth and not fabrication, you wouldn’t need to resort to those kinds of citations.
And this....is how you know when you've beaten a leftist. Instead of reading the information. Instead of admitting they didn't know. Instead of acknowledging they were wrong. You get this nonsense. These are facts. Learn them. They're important.

* btw: All of those sites have a better track record of journalistic integrity & accuracy than the NYT, WaPo, CNN or NBC over the past 5 years.
 

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The answer to this question doesn’t matter to the discussion. Probably why you’re asking it.

The questions you should be asking yourself: are there different levels of security encoded in our laws and is it possible to illegal misuse systems that are supposed to be dedicated for certain levels?
Show me the statute or shut up. You're literally just making things up & you refuse to back any of it up, or acknowledge facts that disprove your fantasy. We get it. You hate Trump & want him gone. If that means rewriting laws, defending political corruption, election meddling, aligning yourself with the CIA, multinational corporations, the Koch Bros or flat out breaking the law, you're on board. When the left says "by any means necessary", they mean by ANY means, no matter how deceitful, illegal or unethical.
 

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And this....is how you know when you've beaten a leftist. Instead of reading the information. Instead of admitting they didn't know. Instead of acknowledging they were wrong. You get this nonsense. These are facts. Learn them. They're important.

* btw: All of those sites have a better track record of journalistic integrity & accuracy than the NYT, WaPo, CNN or NBC over the past 5 years.
Most definitely won’t be clicking on those links or learning them. They aren’t facts.
 

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Show me the statute or shut up. You're literally just making things up & you refuse to back any of it up, or acknowledge facts that disprove your fantasy. We get it. You hate Trump & want him gone. If that means rewriting laws, defending political corruption, election meddling, aligning yourself with the CIA, multinational corporations, the Koch Bros or flat out breaking the law, you're on board. When the left says "by any means necessary", they mean by ANY means, no matter how deceitful, illegal or unethical.
Trump broke the law on his own. Nothing needs to be rewritten.
 

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A true leftist today is practically a communist. Glad you admit your devotion.
Let's ask Mnmpls Gopher if he denounces Communism? Last two times I asked him, he deflected. He knows it is the most corrupt, violent, disgusting, political philosophy in world history, including National Socialism, but he's refused to renounce it in the past.
 
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