All Things Dawson Garcia Recruitment Thread (Class of 2020): UPDATED: Gophers Offered

MplsGopher

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It's bigger than RP as stated in an earlier post. Very few stay! Just look at the top 25 list and see where they committed too. 4 of them are staying in their home state. The top North Carolina kid is going to Michigan! Kids follow brands, coaches, and they want to move from their home state. This isn't just an athlete thing either. Kids go to colleges other places. I don't blame Richard much for his recruiting now that Kimani is gone and he stopped recruiting scuzzballs. Develop and we will get awesome great kids who want to be Gophers.
This wouldn’t be as much of a deal if we were winning.

Wisconsin doesn’t care that their best player isn’t from Wisconsin. Nor do Duke fans care that their’s isn’t from NC.
No more than NBA team fans care which states their players came from before turning pro.

But with us not winning, being a geographically isolated population, that has been producing top talent, and fans having a strong state pride/provincialism, it seems unacceptable to some.
 

manderson1984

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D1MN just does a better Job of getting their players options. Look at the last few in-state commits. Who other than Oturu had better options than the Gophers. Gabes only HM offer was from the Gophers, and Jarvis' only commitble HM offer was from the Gophers.
This is laughable at best to say D1MN gets kids better offers than Pulley or UA. When you're on that circuit it doesn't matter at that point anymore. Also I had good intel that your belief that Gabe and Jarvis's only "committable" HM offers were the gophers. That's not true especially with Jarvis Johnson (maybe you meant Omersa)
 

golfing18now

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My expectation has never been that they'd make the NCAAs this year (although that's actually indicative of the problem). But I do think they should have been able to beat at least one of their past three quality opponents. And my concern is that, unless they get a whole lot better, we're looking at no postseason at all. I do think there's enough talent on this roster for them to compete, but their lack of a good power forward is a house-size hole.
I was surprised but not stunned that they didn't one of those three games. Ironically, this might be the one year that the team would have been best served to play a few games against lesser competition out of the gate.

You are right about the void at power forward. The Curry injury was not helpful. He certainly wouldn't have been able to give you Murphy type production but I think it would have been better than what they have gotten so far. Too early to tell on Demir but the small sample size hasn't been great. (I wasn't a huge Akeem Springs fan either in his first few games but he became a very important piece. Stull did not.) The posters criticizing the Michael Hurt signing are the same posters that would have been up in arms in they hadn't signed him four years ago given the Minnesota lineage and all-world brother.
 

abrams

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I'm fine with Hurt at the UOFM. At the time he was a best player in Minnesota. It's didn't work out. Fine. It's the overall lack of identity that RP has developed over the years at the university.
 

Parcival

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I was surprised but not stunned that they didn't one of those three games. Ironically, this might be the one year that the team would have been best served to play a few games against lesser competition out of the gate.

You are right about the void at power forward. The Curry injury was not helpful. He certainly wouldn't have been able to give you Murphy type production but I think it would have been better than what they have gotten so far. Too early to tell on Demir but the small sample size hasn't been great. (I wasn't a huge Akeem Springs fan either in his first few games but he became a very important piece. Stull did not.) The posters criticizing the Michael Hurt signing are the same posters that would have been up in arms in they hadn't signed him four years ago given the Minnesota lineage and all-world brother.
I can tell you right now Demir is a dud; nothing against the kid but he has absolutely no business playing B1G basketball, much less starting and playing significant minutes.

The void at power forward could end up getting Pitino canned. What is this team going to look like next year when Oturu inevitably gets drafted to the NBA and we just missed on Garcia?
 

Gophs24

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I can tell you right now Demir is a dud; nothing against the kid but he has absolutely no business playing B1G basketball, much less starting and playing significant minutes.

The void at power forward could end up getting Pitino canned. What is this team going to look like next year when Oturu inevitably gets drafted to the NBA and we just missed on Garcia?
well right now.....
PG-Carr/Mashburn/Greenlee
SG-Gabe
SF-Ihnen/Williams
PF-Mitchell/Omersa
C-Freeman

that doesn't look real appealing....even with Oturu….
 

Keyser Söze

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well right now.....
PG-Carr/Mashburn/Greenlee
SG-Gabe
SF-Ihnen/Williams
PF-Mitchell/Omersa
C-Freeman

that doesn't look real appealing....even with Oturu….
Could also do Carr, Mashburn, Gabe, Ihnen, and Freeman, but I'd be willing to bet we'd get a grad transfer or something at center if Oturu does in fact leave.

I kind of doubt Mitchell would start over Mashburn, but who knows.
 

Gophs24

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Could also do Carr, Mashburn, Gabe, Ihnen, and Freeman, but I'd be willing to bet we'd get a grad transfer or something at center if Oturu does in fact leave.

I kind of doubt Mitchell would start over Mashburn, but who knows.
of course....I was just spit balling there...
Willis would be another option to start as well
 

golfing18now

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Bunch of one-sided projection going on here. We are all assuming Oturu's numbers for the first four games will continue and he is a sure-fire NBA draft pick, but we assume none of the other players on the current roster are BIG-worthy after a four game sample size (for everybody but the other Minnesota kids on the roster). A few weeks ago the optimism was rampant on this site when it looked like Garcia would be in the fold. Seems to be a little bit of a disconnect.
 

golfing18now

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I can tell you right now Demir is a dud; nothing against the kid but he has absolutely no business playing B1G basketball, much less starting and playing significant minutes.

The void at power forward could end up getting Pitino canned. What is this team going to look like next year when Oturu inevitably gets drafted to the NBA and we just missed on Garcia?
Might be right on Demir. Not sure yet.

Too early to worry about next year.
 

Keyser Söze

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of course....I was just spit balling there...
Willis would be another option to start as well
Same, I totally forgot about Willis for a second ha. Either way, not an appealing starting lineup if Oturu is gone. We really need him to stay. Hopefully we can get a good grad transfer PF too.
 

XMan

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Do not get me wrong: I do not blame Richard for not being able to reel in Garcia or any one particular local top recruit, but I AM disappointed at not being able to land a single one of them in 7 years in a run of unprecedented local talent. Throw in a 40-70 conference record on top of that, and it's clear that this is what we have in RP, and I do not begrudge anyone who feels we can and should do better. I'm in that camp.
So we didn’t sign Coffey or Oturu during the past 7 years?
 

CentralGopher

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Bunch of one-sided projection going on here. We are all assuming Oturu's numbers for the first four games will continue and he is a sure-fire NBA draft pick, but we assume none of the other players on the current roster are BIG-worthy after a four game sample size (for everybody but the other Minnesota kids on the roster). A few weeks ago the optimism was rampant on this site when it looked like Garcia would be in the fold. Seems to be a little bit of a disconnect.
+1. I'm not sold on Oturu leaving after this year even if he continues like he has been playing.
 

MplsGopher

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Central Michigan and North Dakota won't show much.

Will be interesting to see how they do against DePaul. Guess at this point we could discuss this in, you know, a season thread, and shut down the Garcia thread?
 

builtbadgers

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Central Michigan and North Dakota won't show much.

Will be interesting to see how they do against DePaul. Guess at this point we could discuss this in, you know, a season thread, and shut down the Garcia thread?
Closing it is a great idea. My last comments are that i am only mildly disappointed because i refuse to hang my hopes on teenagers making decisions. This staff did all they could. His own comments were about how he felt about the relationship with the coaches there and the players. It is like dating, he simply found them more attractive.
 

golfing18now

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Serious question, are you legally blind?
Can't say I'm completely surprised this is the best you can offer based on your last handful of posts, but I'll respond anyway.

Demir was not added to the team with the expectation that he would be all conference. Nobody on this board projected him as a player that would average a double/double or approach the numbers that Murphy put up last year. Grad transfers are added in most cases to provide depth, balance out classes, or shore up an obvious weakness. He was a low risk option that may or may not be a valuable piece. He may be the next Springs or may be the next Stull. Most likely he will be somewhere in the middle. I prefer to see a guy play more than three games before I write the narrative on his or the Gophers season.

This team has a bunch of new players (Demir included) that will get better as the season progresses. They have far more than one big ten player on the roster. If you believe that, you are the one that needs to have your eyes checked.
 

alchemy2u

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Serious question, are you legally blind?
Are you?
We have an opening for the 2020 class, but the average player ranking is still the highest of any class on 247.

(I stopped checking with the 2002 class). It is debatable about how accurate the player rankings were going back before this ranking site existed. The point is that we have two very good player comings in next year and the Sky is Not Falling!
 

builtbadgers

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Can't say I'm completely surprised this is the best you can offer based on your last handful of posts, but I'll respond anyway.

Demir was not added to the team with the expectation that he would be all conference. Nobody on this board projected him as a player that would average a double/double or approach the numbers that Murphy put up last year. Grad transfers are added in most cases to provide depth, balance out classes, or shore up an obvious weakness. He was a low risk option that may or may not be a valuable piece. He may be the next Springs or may be the next Stull. Most likely he will be somewhere in the middle. I prefer to see a guy play more than three games before I write the narrative on his or the Gophers season.

This team has a bunch of new players (Demir included) that will get better as the season progresses. They have far more than one big ten player on the roster. If you believe that, you are the one that needs to have your eyes checked.
Great post. Way to early in the season to make any assumptions. I am watching several teams integrating multiple new players and the play is uneven at best.
 

Go Gophs

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So you truly believe that when a player commits somewhere, it means he was stringing along every other team on his list? So in other words, every player always knows where they are going from the very beginning? You realize that doesn't make any sense, right?
In many cases, yes. Not all, many.
He is actually correct. Only big-time recruits do this. String coaches and programs along. Lesser known and D2 and 3 players generally find a school, develop a relationship and let the others know they are not interested anymore. Ego is probably a huge factor, also wanting to take your freebies when you can.
 

Go Gophs

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I would still like to see this season play out. After a pretty nice finish to the season last year, not many were calling for his head. Now a 1-3 start and missing out on a handful of 19 year old Minnesota kids but being replaced by two out of state kids ranked as high as the Minnesota kids we "missed" on with the exception of Garcia and it's regime change time apparently. I think the fan base is way too knee jerk and puts too much emphasis on Minnesota kids. If the season falls flat and recruiting stalls, then I might also change my tune. In the meantime, I will enjoy this season.
Minnesota kids are out there dominating Midwest basketball. That is why. Heck, Wisconsin's run the last 15 years has been built on Minnesota kids.
It doesn't matter where they come from. But when you lose kids from the state and replace them with guys that can't shoot the ball hardly at all, or are raw as ever or lack basketball knowledge, it's frustrating.
 

kix4kix

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Are you?
We have an opening for the 2020 class, but the average player ranking is still the highest of any class on 247.

(I stopped checking with the 2002 class). It is debatable about how accurate the player rankings were going back before this ranking site existed. The point is that we have two very good player comings in next year and the Sky is Not Falling!
What are you talking about? Can you read? My comment was in response to Demir. If you or anyone think he has the chance to be a good player you should not be allowed behind a vehicle!
 

kix4kix

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Can't say I'm completely surprised this is the best you can offer based on your last handful of posts, but I'll respond anyway.

Demir was not added to the team with the expectation that he would be all conference. Nobody on this board projected him as a player that would average a double/double or approach the numbers that Murphy put up last year. Grad transfers are added in most cases to provide depth, balance out classes, or shore up an obvious weakness. He was a low risk option that may or may not be a valuable piece. He may be the next Springs or may be the next Stull. Most likely he will be somewhere in the middle. I prefer to see a guy play more than three games before I write the narrative on his or the Gophers season.

This team has a bunch of new players (Demir included) that will get better as the season progresses. They have far more than one big ten player on the roster. If you believe that, you are the one that needs to have your eyes checked.
What about the content of my posts has you so jaded?

Strawman much? Hard to keep track of all the misdirection going on.

Where did I state we had 1 big player? Nowhere. Point blank Demir is not a Big ten player let alone starter. PERIOD. If you think otherwise, hey by all means be my guest, I personally don't need more tape to determine he is terrible. If he can't handle Butlers bigs, good luck with any team in the Big.

He is of the caliber of Hurt and Konate (also not Big 10 players) They were both excusable for different reasons. Hurt because it's sometimes tough to project highschool to college adaption (see Jelly) & Konate was 7 feet tall.

No excuse for bringing in a guy that is this terrible with several years of college tape, it's honestly tough to watch, much like your posts, it makes my eyes hurt.
 
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MplsGopher

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Obviously Drexel plays in a mid(?low?) major conference. Was Demir at least a star, there?

EDIT: answer my own question
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All-Colonial Athletic Association third team selection • Appeared in 31 games, starting all but one • averaged 14.8 points, 6.4 rebounds, and 2.9 assists in 30.3 minutes per game • ranked second on the team in scoring and rebounding and led the team with 18 blocks • shot 51.2 percent from the field, eighth in the CAA, and 69.6 percent from the free throw line • scored in double figured 27 times including eight games with 20 or more points
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Obviously Drexel plays in a mid(?low?) major conference. Was Demir at least a star, there?

EDIT: answer my own question
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All-Colonial Athletic Association third team selection • Appeared in 31 games, starting all but one • averaged 14.8 points, 6.4 rebounds, and 2.9 assists in 30.3 minutes per game • ranked second on the team in scoring and rebounding and led the team with 18 blocks • shot 51.2 percent from the field, eighth in the CAA, and 69.6 percent from the free throw line • scored in double figured 27 times including eight games with 20 or more points
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Demir was a good player in that conference, no one thought he was going to post same number probably hoping for about 8, 5, and 2 in a starting role with us. I think that is doable as he appears to be getting a little more comfortable. We just need him to be serviceable, always was going to be the weakest in the starting lineup. His real issue has been on defense as he is just not athletic or big enough to guard forwards from power 5 schools.
 



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