All Things COVID-19 College Football Impact

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Yes, there are unusual facets like the rare neurological effects described which probably result from a deranged immune response to SARS2. Yes, there are unique factors to consider like whether antibody dependent enhancement is part of severe illness and may be an ongoing and increasing issue with future infection or with vaccination (ie second exposure to antigenically drifted coronavirus months or years later results in deranged immune response and worse disease). We don’t really know, and we don’t know what the future holds. However, RIGHT NOW, these complications are very rare and should be talked about as such until evidence warrants otherwise.
I would be willing to bet that, even now, some significant percentage of people who are known to have had the disease would tell you that it was not a case that they experienced nothing at all. Ie, they didn't even know they had it.

Anecdotally, the few people I know who've had it, have all reported symptoms, and usually significant symptoms that are temporary. But also usually more than nothing, long term.

I don't think it is unreasonable to suspect that something might happen with these people long term. I sure do hope not. I certainly hope not debilitating. That of course depends on how you define that. Is chronic pain, that makes you take meds every day to function normally, debilitating? Just throwing wild things out, with no proof. There of course can be no proof. We won't know, until later.
 

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I would be willing to bet that, even now, some significant percentage of people who are known to have had the disease would tell you that it was not a case that they experienced nothing at all. Ie, they didn't even know they had it.

Anecdotally, the few people I know who've had it, have all reported symptoms, and usually significant symptoms that are temporary. But also usually more than nothing, long term.

I don't think it is unreasonable to suspect that something might happen with these people long term. I sure do hope not. I certainly hope not debilitating. That of course depends on how you define that. Is chronic pain, that makes you take meds every day to function normally, debilitating? Just throwing wild things out, with no proof. There of course can be no proof. We won't know, until later.
You know a lot of asymptomatic people that went to get tested?

We know that isn’t the case for the vast majority.

We can throw out anxiety-inducing hypothetical scenarios until we’re crazy. Some of us are already there.
 

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Appreciate your clarifying posts. Yep, article covered that it is a small sample but concerning and needs to be monitored an explored.

Also, wondering why you posted UK did not do much testing?
Their case fatality rate (deaths/confirmed positives) is absurdly high. To me that means they had enormous spread in Jan/Feb/Mar/April before they did much testing. It implies there are a much higher number of past infected than 290k unless their medical care is very poor or the virus exclusively hit long term facilities (possible?). Timing is everything and stats are misleading.

It looks like they’ve caught up now with a good test per million ratio but my interpretation of that is they have been doing mega testing after the horse was out of the barn.
 

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Willing to bet the seasonal flu had never killed a younger, perfectly healthy person.

Covid has, rarely.
 

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To the 2nd bullet point, the U of MN is doing work on antigen testing I believe it was called in STrib article.
 

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Today, we have the lowest number of patients in ICU since April 23rd.

 
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Good news is out there. But misinformation and blunders continue to occur and the public gets easily confused.

Not sure this is good news or not but it is very alarming.

An Orlando TV station investigated the report of area labs that did CV-19 testing and many of them reported near 100% positive results. However, their investigation found 9.4% positive rather than 98% and the local VA was 6% positive versus 76%.

The local fish wrap edition up here reported today that our county and the neighboring county issued a mandatory face mask order. False but it will probably happen soon.

Likewise, about two weeks ago a report said that Houston hospitals were at near capacity due to the virus patients. When interviewed, a hospital spokesperson stated that they were at 91% capacity which is the norm during the Summer.

I read today where a high level MD stated that "if" Americans used masks CV-19 would go away in 4-8 weeks. Just like we were led to believe that the virus would die out early Summer.

And so on.........
 

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Good news is out there. But misinformation and blunders continue to occur and the public gets easily confused.

Not sure this is good news or not but it is very alarming.

An Orlando TV station investigated the report of area labs that did CV-19 testing and many of them reported near 100% positive results. However, their investigation found 9.4% positive rather than 98% and the local VA was 6% positive versus 76%.

The local fish wrap edition up here reported today that our county and the neighboring county issued a mandatory face mask order. False but it will probably happen soon.

Likewise, about two weeks ago a report said that Houston hospitals were at near capacity due to the virus patients. When interviewed, a hospital spokesperson stated that they were at 91% capacity which is the norm during the Summer.

I read today where a high level MD stated that "if" Americans used masks CV-19 would go away in 4-8 weeks. Just like we were led to believe that the virus would die out early Summer.

And so on.........
C’mon, you know the rules. Good news is not allowed until the orange man is voted out of office.
 

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Willing to bet the seasonal flu had never killed a younger, perfectly healthy person.

Covid has, rarely.
I might be reading this wrong but you don’t think the flu has killed a normal healthy person under 25 before?
 

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I might be reading this wrong but you don’t think the flu has killed a normal healthy person under 25 before?
The *seasonal* flu. That was the discussion. Not H1N1 and other flus.
 

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He would have a point if he compared NY state minus NYC. As is, it’s all the deaths of NYC falsely masked with a fairly large, low density state.
Doesn’t matter how you slice it...NY or NYC...they did worse than Sweden.
 

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The *seasonal* flu. That was the discussion. Not H1N1 and other flus.
Just curious...You're not talking "stomach flu" are you? Seasonal flu should not be confused with the "stomach flu" (gastrointestinal virus/bacteria), which has nothing to do with the influenza virus (a respiratory disease). My wife, a nurse, goes nuts when people tell her they had/have the flu when really it is/was the "stomach flu"...she despises that misnomer.
Just to note, when there was an outbreak of influenza two years ago (the seasonal kind that so many people go get shots for), a high school classmate of mine died from influenza even after getting a shot. She was in her late 40s, and healthy. Seasonal flu is still influenza...which can kill.
 

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Just curious...You're not talking "stomach flu" are you? Seasonal flu should not be confused with the "stomach flu" (gastrointestinal virus/bacteria), which has nothing to do with the influenza virus (a respiratory disease). My wife, a nurse, goes nuts when people tell her they had/have the flu when really it is/was the "stomach flu"...she despises that misnomer.
Just to note, when there was an outbreak of influenza two years ago (the seasonal kind that so many people go get shots for), a high school classmate of mine died from influenza even after getting a shot. She was in her late 40s, and healthy. Seasonal flu is still influenza...which can kill.
Thanks for the info.

I was talking about the flu that has a seasonal vaccine shot offered every year. They try to guess which strains will be most active. Sometimes they guess correctly, sometimes not. That's why it doesn't work perfectly every year.

Sorry to hear about your classmate. I've never heard of any young(er), healthy person die of the seasonal flu or the common cold.

Would not be surprised if, ultimately, in all three cases (seasonal flu, common cold, covid19), the thing that actually kills someone is a haywire immune response. This is beyond our scientific knowledge and capability to fully understand or prevent. But will be critically important going forward.
 

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I think it's going to be a very strange season. I could see football being played in the north, but cancelled in the south. Florida is at around 10,000 cases a day and trending up. Georgia is at over 3,000 cases a day. The Big Ten states are doing much better, so with reasonable precautions we may be able to have football while other states may not.
 

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Cases are continuing to explode, but the deaths aren’t there. Keep your fingers and toes crossed that they stay like that!

If deaths don’t trend up, that could allow some small semblance of normality this fall.

I’ll take limited football and rotating kids into schools some number of says per week, over nothing and online only.
 

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Cases are continuing to explode, but the deaths aren’t there. Keep your fingers and toes crossed that they stay like that!

If deaths don’t trend up, that could allow some small semblance of normality this fall.

I’ll take limited football and rotating kids into schools some number of says per week, over nothing and online only.
Deaths aren't exploding at the same rate, thankfully. But they are trending up. Yesterday was the first day with over 1,000 deaths since June 9th.
 

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Deaths aren't exploding at the same rate, thankfully. But they are trending up. Yesterday was the first day with over 1,000 deaths since June 9th.
997 according to worldometers, but that could just be different timings on the reporting period.

But so far today it’s only at 360. Maybe a bunch will report later.

Need another week. By eventually, you can’t keep saying “give it another week”. The pudding has to go into the oven. Is the proof in there, or not??
 

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997 according to worldometers, but that could just be different timings on the reporting period.

But so far today it’s only at 360. Maybe a bunch will report later.

Need another week. By eventually, you can’t keep saying “give it another week”. The pudding has to go into the oven. Is the proof in there, or not??
It shows 1,001 for yesterday. The point is that it is creeping back up to where was a month ago. But even if this is where it plateaus, we are at an average of 760 deaths/day, and averaging over 60,000 cases per day.

For comparison, Germany had 486 cases and 4 deaths yesterday. They have a population of 83 million or about 25% of the US. If we were at 2,000 cases and 20 deaths per day, we wouldn't be having this discussion about playing sports, we'd be out doing it. Even at 20,000 cases and 200 it would be much easier. We are not going in the right direction. For things like Fall sports, it's getting late early.
 

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The NCAA president lays it out it pretty plain fashion.
“This document lays out the advice of health care professionals as to how to resume college sports if we can achieve an environment where COVID-19 rates are manageable. Today, sadly, the data point in the wrong direction. If there is to be college sports in the fall, we need to get a much better handle on the pandemic.”

Damn! If he would only rely on the expert health professionals and statisticians on GH and realize it's not that big a deal. We need to rely more on isolated studies, anecdotes, what Chuck Woolery says, wishful thinking, bravado, hyperbole, people throwing hissy fits, etc.

Think you're right all you want; but not going along with what the great majority of health experts are saying is going to cost us a season of sports.
 
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