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Cancel culture...
55,000 critics cancel Sia's "Music" amid backlash about autism.

Admittedly, I would never have watched this movie anyway, but it seems like a good example of cancel culture.
 

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How White Religious Conservatives Invented Cancel Culture

The Salem witch trials
In one of the earliest instances of cancel culture on American soil — running concurrently to the first decades of the cancellation campaigns against Native Americans and Black Americans by White Americans — colonial Massachusetts put people on trial for suspected witchcraft. The trials and subsequent executions by hanging set a violent precedent for the Communist witch hunt centuries later and laid the foundation for a conservative ideology that revolves around fear and conquest. If Salem’s judges and juries were alive today, they’d likely be leading the brigade to rid America of socialists and Black Lives Matter, on and off social media.

Jim Crow laws
For a century after the Civil War, many White Americans continued to try to cancel Black Americans. Once Black people won emancipation, many in the White majority wanted to keep them subservient or, better yet, invisible. Assaults, lynchings, and separate-but-unequal facilities taught Black Americans everything they would later use to launch their own cancellation campaigns — the most notable and effective of which was the boycott.

Interracial marriages
In 1975, All in the Family creator and sitcom social stirrer Norman Lear caused more uproar with a new sitcom called The Jeffersons. It was the first TV series to feature a Black and White interracial married couple, Tom and Helen Willis (played by Franklin Cover and Roxie Roker, better known as Lenny Kravitz’s mom). Predictably, controversy ensued, courtesy of CBS’s more conservative viewers.

Despite conservatives’ laying the blame for cancel culture squarely at the feet of liberals, their selective outrage over “sinful” TV marriages has continued in the decades since The Jeffersons. In 2013, when Cheerios posted a commercial featuring an interracial couple and their daughter on YouTube, the vitriolic response forced the company to close the comments section.

Injustice against the LGBTQ community
In the ’20s and early ’30s, William Haines was one of the biggest stars in Hollywood. In 1933, MGM head Louis B. Mayer presented an ultimatum: Give up his male partner and enter into an arranged marriage with a woman or be canceled by the studio. Haines chose the latter, effectively ending his Hollywood acting career.

At the time, it wasn’t an unlikely scenario, although many gay actors chose differently than Haines did. Even today, most remain closeted out of fear of being canceled by conservatives over their sexual orientation. Although prevalent in movies and music, homophobic cancel culture can destroy lives and careers in any field, and it has. We have America’s conservative, judgmental streak to thank for that.

 

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How White Religious Conservatives Invented Cancel Culture

The Salem witch trials
In one of the earliest instances of cancel culture on American soil — running concurrently to the first decades of the cancellation campaigns against Native Americans and Black Americans by White Americans — colonial Massachusetts put people on trial for suspected witchcraft. The trials and subsequent executions by hanging set a violent precedent for the Communist witch hunt centuries later and laid the foundation for a conservative ideology that revolves around fear and conquest. If Salem’s judges and juries were alive today, they’d likely be leading the brigade to rid America of socialists and Black Lives Matter, on and off social media.

Jim Crow laws
For a century after the Civil War, many White Americans continued to try to cancel Black Americans. Once Black people won emancipation, many in the White majority wanted to keep them subservient or, better yet, invisible. Assaults, lynchings, and separate-but-unequal facilities taught Black Americans everything they would later use to launch their own cancellation campaigns — the most notable and effective of which was the boycott.

Interracial marriages
In 1975, All in the Family creator and sitcom social stirrer Norman Lear caused more uproar with a new sitcom called The Jeffersons. It was the first TV series to feature a Black and White interracial married couple, Tom and Helen Willis (played by Franklin Cover and Roxie Roker, better known as Lenny Kravitz’s mom). Predictably, controversy ensued, courtesy of CBS’s more conservative viewers.

Despite conservatives’ laying the blame for cancel culture squarely at the feet of liberals, their selective outrage over “sinful” TV marriages has continued in the decades since The Jeffersons. In 2013, when Cheerios posted a commercial featuring an interracial couple and their daughter on YouTube, the vitriolic response forced the company to close the comments section.

Injustice against the LGBTQ community
In the ’20s and early ’30s, William Haines was one of the biggest stars in Hollywood. In 1933, MGM head Louis B. Mayer presented an ultimatum: Give up his male partner and enter into an arranged marriage with a woman or be canceled by the studio. Haines chose the latter, effectively ending his Hollywood acting career.

At the time, it wasn’t an unlikely scenario, although many gay actors chose differently than Haines did. Even today, most remain closeted out of fear of being canceled by conservatives over their sexual orientation. Although prevalent in movies and music, homophobic cancel culture can destroy lives and careers in any field, and it has. We have America’s conservative, judgmental streak to thank for that.

Southern Democrats...
Based on the above comments, it's clear that atheist communism has a much better track record of treating it's citizens with love and kindness. Obviously the Khmer Rouge were all inclusive in there care for the people.
 

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Wait, it’s ridiculous to think the name is fine and shouldn’t be changed? Why? I have a lot of problems with sports mascots. Namely, every team name since about 1990.
wild, heat, raptors, grizzlies, thrashers, ducks, predators, magic. There is something magical about the old names. Especially baseball. Sox, Yankees, Dodgers. They don’t make em like they used to.
Valpo is getting rid of the name “crusaders” too.
+1 Wild is about the dumbest name ever. My HS went from Indians to Storm. :rolleyes: Though I probably would have thought Sox was equally lame at the time. The B1G has some cool mascots.
 

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Professional Assholes Equate Consequences With 'Cancel Culture' To Obscure That They're Finally Being Held Accountable

What people are complaining about as "cancel culture" is really people exercising their 1st Amendment rights to call out bad behavior and ridiculous arguments. And that's a good thing. We should want bad behavior and ridiculous arguments to be called out. And, yes, we should recognize that sometimes people overreact. And sometimes there's more nuance and the bad behavior maybe isn't bad, or the ridiculous arguments aren't so ridiculous. But often they are. And that's where people speaking out and debating these things makes sense. Having people push back on nonsense is a good thing. It's called responsibility:

The prevalence of unjust and unmerited censure, sanction, and ostracism should not suggest to us that censure, sanction and ostracism, as such, need a hard second look. The problem is the imposition of undeserved or disproportionate penalties. Penalizing people for flouting rules, norms or the terms of agreements is no more worrying than rewarding those who faithfully hew to them. Without the distribution of approbation and disapprobation, without a functioning economy of esteem, human civilization would crumble to dust and blow away.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...t-theyre-finally-being-held-accountable.shtml
 

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3 reactions to your post.

1. Is writing an opinion on a message board equivalent to getting "triggered"? I was using the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as an example as it was brought up in this thread. It could have been many other examples of slogans, syrup labels, sports figures, whatever.

2. Even among the left-leaning posters on this site, very few actually come out supporting all this garbage. The only real comments are to attack righties that offer up another opinion as "snowflakes" or "getting triggered". Even @Wally, not exactly a Republican hack, thought this latest example was a joke. Look to SON's post on this topic later in this thread for a very well thought out post.

3. The supposedly altruistic wokeness wave we have been riding this year is exactly what it is supposedly fighting against. It's divisive, dismissive, and condescending towards those it is meant to protect.

I've been married to a Jewish girl for over 25 years, had a black neighbor for ten whose daughter plays extensively with mine, have worked quite regularly with a gay co-worker (not sure of the sexual preference of my other co-workers as I have not asked for nor had sex with any of them) and worked under a female for 14 of the last 15 years of my professional life. Until this year, I rarely thought about the characteristics I just cited. Now I'm wondering to whom to I owe my greatest apology for my oppression. So many religious, racial, sexual orientation, and gender victims......
1. Yes.
2. That's exactly my point. A few fringe people suggest changing the name and the right-leaning posters scream cancel culture like it's some leftist agenda. The reaction usually way outweighs any actual cancelling.
3. Ok.

Here's the deal. Your post screams of tokenism. Just because you have a gay co-worker somehow means your above any sort of broader discussion on equality. No one's asking you to apologize. We're just trying to get you to see it's not the same for everyone. That's the point that's missed. Don't take everything so personally.
 

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Professional Assholes Equate Consequences With 'Cancel Culture' To Obscure That They're Finally Being Held Accountable

What people are complaining about as "cancel culture" is really people exercising their 1st Amendment rights to call out bad behavior and ridiculous arguments. And that's a good thing. We should want bad behavior and ridiculous arguments to be called out. And, yes, we should recognize that sometimes people overreact. And sometimes there's more nuance and the bad behavior maybe isn't bad, or the ridiculous arguments aren't so ridiculous. But often they are. And that's where people speaking out and debating these things makes sense. Having people push back on nonsense is a good thing. It's called responsibility:

The prevalence of unjust and unmerited censure, sanction, and ostracism should not suggest to us that censure, sanction and ostracism, as such, need a hard second look. The problem is the imposition of undeserved or disproportionate penalties. Penalizing people for flouting rules, norms or the terms of agreements is no more worrying than rewarding those who faithfully hew to them. Without the distribution of approbation and disapprobation, without a functioning economy of esteem, human civilization would crumble to dust and blow away.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...t-theyre-finally-being-held-accountable.shtml
Accountable to who though. Why is it when pictures of Justin Trudeau and Ralph Northam appearing in actual black face nothing happens. But some host of the bachelor says there should be understanding that a former contestant of the show attended a plantation ball he has to get fired.

the difference appears to be government vs private companies. When private people make mistakes and are “canceled” there are almost immediate repercussions, but when it’s government person there is little that can be done.

Look at Lori lightfoot getting her hair done when that was not an option for a regular person. Yes there were some stories written but nothing happened to her. I would argue that if a regular “celebrity” did that they would have been fired from any promotional or business dealing they have.

part of the problem is also the angry mob will never be satisfied and their anger will only increase each time they are “successful”.
 

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The left only believes in holding one side accountable. It has absolutely nothing to do with bad behavior. They only want one side cancelled and held accountable for having an opinion or a view that doesn’t conform to their liberal group think ideology and radical left progressive agenda.

Trudeau & Northman perfect examples along with the #MeToo. Once their own start getting called out it’s nothing to see here according to the liberals.
 

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Cancel Culture Is Not Real—At Least Not in the Way People Think

Cancel culture became so central to the discourse in 2019 that even President Obama weighed in. The idea is that if you do something that others deem problematic, you automatically lose all your currency. Your voice is silenced. You’re done. Those who condemn cancel culture usually imply that it’s unfair and indiscriminate.

The problem with this perspective is cancel culture isn’t real, at least not in the way people believe it is. Instead, it’s turned into a catch-all for when people in power face consequences for their actions or receive any type of criticism, something that they’re not used to.

I’m a black, Muslim woman, and because of social media, marginalized people like myself can express ourselves in a way that was not possible before. That means racist, sexist, and bigoted behavior or remarks don’t fly like they used to. This applies to not only wealthy people or industry leaders but anyone whose privilege has historically shielded them from public scrutiny. Because they can’t handle this cultural shift, they rely on phrases like “cancel culture” to delegitimize the criticism.

I write frequently about racism and Islamophobia and have received more death threats, calls for my firing and racist insults than I can keep track of. But when people who believe cancel culture is a problem speak out about its supposed silencing effect, I know they’re not talking about
those attacks.

When they throw around terms like “cancel culture” to silence me instead of reckoning with the reasons I might find certain actions or jokes dehumanizing, I’m led to one conclusion: they’d prefer I was powerless against my own oppression.

https://time.com/5735403/cancel-culture-is-not-real/
 

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The left only believes in holding one side accountable. It has absolutely nothing to do with bad behavior. They only want one side cancelled and held accountable for having an opinion or a view that doesn’t conform to their liberal group think ideology and radical left progressive agenda.

Trudeau & Northman perfect examples along with the #MeToo. Once their own start getting called out it’s nothing to see here according to the liberals.
Some guy named Al Franken would like to talk to you.
 

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Some guy named Al Franken would like to talk to you.
Franken was railroaded by another Senator trying to raise a national profile in their quest to get the Democratic nomination for POTUS.

It was far from an attempt to hold him accountable.
 
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Franken was railroad by another Senator trying to raise their national profile in their quest to get the Democratic nomination for POTUS.

It was far from an attempt to hold him accountable.
YAHBUT.....
Predictable....
Pathetic...
 

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Wait, it’s ridiculous to think the name is fine and shouldn’t be changed? Why? I have a lot of problems with sports mascots. Namely, every team name since about 1990.
wild, heat, raptors, grizzlies, thrashers, ducks, predators, magic. There is something magical about the old names. Especially baseball. Sox, Yankees, Dodgers. They don’t make em like they used to.
Valpo is getting rid of the name “crusaders” too.
However, I do think Loons is a cool name and this logo is rad.

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A list of people and things Donald Trump tried to get canceled before he railed against 'cancel culture'

Here's the list in chronological order.

August 2012: Trump says Black journalist Touré, then a co-host of the MSNBC show "The Cycle," should be "forced to resign" for comments in which Touré uttered a variant of the N-word while arguing that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney was using racially coded language to try to make President Barack Obama seem frightening. (Touré had apologized before Trump's demand.)
November 2012: Trump suggests the firing of then-MSNBC host Chris Matthews for saying, on the night of Obama's victory, that he was "so glad" Hurricane Sandy had occurred, because of its political impact. (Matthews had apologized before Trump's suggestion.)
December 2012: Trump calls for the firing of Vanity Fair magazine Editor Graydon Carter, with whom he had feuded for years, over what he declares the magazine's "worst ever issue."
December 2012: Trump says "Scots should boycott Glenfiddich garbage" because the whisky brand selected Michael Forbes, a farmer who refused to sell his land to make way for a Trump golf course, as "Top Scot" of the year.
March 2013: Trump says, "Everyone should cancel HBO until they fire low life dummy Bill Maher! Get going now and feel good about yourself!"
July 2013: Trump asks people to "boycott & cancel subscriptions" to Rolling Stone magazine because of a cover featuring Boston Marathon terrorist Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
October 2013: Trump urges "everybody possible" to "cancel their subscription" to New York Magazine over an insulting tweet about Trump's marriage from Dan Amira, who was online editor at the time.
March 2014: After Trump is left off a CNBC list of the most influential business leaders, he says, "Stupid poll should be canceled—no credibility."
May 2014: Trump calls for the firing of, or at least an apology from, the person at The Oklahoman newspaper who wrote a headline calling then-Oklahoma City Thunder NBA star Kevin Durant "Mr. Unreliable." (The newspaper had already apologized.)
June 2014: Trump says people should "Boycott Mexico" until a Marine reservist who was jailed for crossing the border with loaded guns is released from prison. (He was released later in the year.)
April 2015: Trump suggests that conservative writer Jonah Goldberg, then a senior editor of National Review magazine, should be forced to resign for writing that Trump had been "tweeting like a 14-year-old girl" in response to another conservative writer calling Trump a clown. Trump also suggests Fox News anchor Bret Baier should stop having Goldberg on his show.
June 2015: When Spanish-language television network Univision severed its business relationship with Trump after his campaign launch speech, in which he labeled Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists, Trump tweets, "Anyone who wants strong borders and good trade deals for the US should boycott @Univision."
July 2015: Trump calls for a boycott of Macy's after Macy's discontinued its business dealings with him over those same comments about people from Mexico. Trump also tweets "Great" when someone tells him that people are canceling their Macy's credit cards.
August 2015: Trump calls for the firing of the late conservative writer and Fox News commentator Charles Krauthammer, a regular Trump critic.
September 2015: After National Review editor Rich Lowry argued on Fox News that rival Republican candidate Carly Fiorina had "cut off (Trump's) balls with the precision of a surgeon" in a primary debate, Trump says: "Incompetent @RichLowry lost it tonight on @FoxNews. He should not be allowed on TV and the FCC should fine him!" (Lowry responds, "I love how Mr. Anti-PC now wants the FCC to fine me. #pathetic.")
December 2015: Trump calls for the firing of then-CBS News journalist Sopan Deb and NBC/MSNBC journalist Katy Tur over reporting he disputed about how he handled protesters during a rally speech.
February 2016: Trump says people should "boycott all Apple products" until the company stops fighting a government request to break into the cell phone of a deceased California terrorist.
February 2016: Trump says Fox News should fire Republican strategist and commentator Karl Rove for being insufficiently positive about his victory in the Nevada caucuses.
February 2016: Trump calls on the Wall Street Journal to fire its editorial board, which had criticized him, and its pollster, which showed results he didn't like.
March 2016: Trump proposes a boycott of Megyn Kelly's Fox News show, complaining that it is too negative toward him.
September 2016: After the Dallas Morning News and Arizona Republic newspapers endorse Hillary Clinton for president and USA Today declares Trump unfit for the office, Trump says, "The people are really smart in cancelling subscriptions to the Dallas & Arizona papers & now USA Today will lose readers! The people get it!"
September 2017: Trump tweets that NFL players and other athletes who don't stand for the National Anthem should be told, "YOU'RE FIRED." He says in another tweet, "Fire or suspend!" And at a rally, he says, "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say, 'Get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he's fired, he's fired.' "
October 2017: Suggesting he could use the power of the state against media entities he dislikes, Trump muses about challenging the broadcast licenses of NBC and other networks over their news coverage. (He again broached the subject of reviewing NBC's license in September 2018.)
November 2017: Trump calls for a boycott of CNN.
August 2018: Trump tweets, "Many @harleydavidson owners plan to boycott the company if manufacturing moves overseas. Great! Most other companies are coming in our direction, including Harley competitors."
June 2019: Trump suggests people stop "using or subscribing" to AT&T to pressure the company to make changes at CNN, which it owns.
September 2019: Trump suggests that actress Debra Messing should be fired for calling on a news outlet to publish the names of people attending a Trump fundraiser and for a tweet promoting a church sign that said "a black vote for Trump is mental illness." (Messing had apologized for the tweet about the church sign.)
January 2020: Trump says The New York Times should fire columnist Paul Krugman, a winner of the Nobel Prize in economics, for having incorrectly predicted a global recession after Trump's victory in 2016.
May 2020: The day after Twitter appended a fact check link to dishonest Trump claims about mail-in voting, Trump threatens to shut down social media companies: "Republicans feel that Social Media Platforms totally silence conservatives voices. We will strongly regulate, or close them down, before we can ever allow this to happen."
May 2020: Trump seeks the firing of Chuck Todd, host of NBC's "Meet the Press," for the show playing a misleadingly shortened clip of comments by Attorney General William Barr. (Todd apologized, saying it was an inadvertent mistake.) Again broaching the power of the state, Trump tags the accounts of the Federal Communications Commission, which regulates television, and its chairman, Ajit Pai.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/fact-check-trump-cancel-culture-boycotts-firings/index.html
The idea of "cancel culture" only goes one way. The right thinks that these aren't the same and are actually good and warranted.
 

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The left only believes in holding one side accountable. It has absolutely nothing to do with bad behavior. They only want one side cancelled and held accountable for having an opinion or a view that doesn’t conform to their liberal group think ideology and radical left progressive agenda.

Trudeau & Northman perfect examples along with the #MeToo. Once their own start getting called out it’s nothing to see here according to the liberals.
Nonsense. The right invented "cancel culture". The only difference here is that the left doesn't whine about it nonstop like the right does. It's because righties are mostly entitled snowflakes who've adopted a victim mentality. Can't handle any adversity so you whine and cry like babies.
 

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Nonsense. The right invented "cancel culture". The only difference here is that the left doesn't whine about it nonstop like the right does. It's because righties are mostly entitled snowflakes who've adopted a victim mentality. Can't handle any adversity so you whine and cry like babies.
They need special protection...

Conservative Lives Matter!!!!
🤣🤣🤣
 

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Professional Assholes Equate Consequences With 'Cancel Culture' To Obscure That They're Finally Being Held Accountable

What people are complaining about as "cancel culture" is really people exercising their 1st Amendment rights to call out bad behavior and ridiculous arguments. And that's a good thing. We should want bad behavior and ridiculous arguments to be called out. And, yes, we should recognize that sometimes people overreact. And sometimes there's more nuance and the bad behavior maybe isn't bad, or the ridiculous arguments aren't so ridiculous. But often they are. And that's where people speaking out and debating these things makes sense. Having people push back on nonsense is a good thing. It's called responsibility:

The prevalence of unjust and unmerited censure, sanction, and ostracism should not suggest to us that censure, sanction and ostracism, as such, need a hard second look. The problem is the imposition of undeserved or disproportionate penalties. Penalizing people for flouting rules, norms or the terms of agreements is no more worrying than rewarding those who faithfully hew to them. Without the distribution of approbation and disapprobation, without a functioning economy of esteem, human civilization would crumble to dust and blow away.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...t-theyre-finally-being-held-accountable.shtml
If you’ve been paying attention, it’s been people on the left suffering mainly from cancel culture. The gay movie writer at Variety, the NYT science columnist, etc.
 

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However, I do think Loons is a cool name and this logo is rad.

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Loons meets my old timey standards for mascots. Agreed. Look at MN high schools that dropped Indian names: Blaze, Thunderhawks, barf! Southwest is the only smart one. Trendy names all suck.
 

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Most of our teams should just be called "The Turds"...
 

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However, I do think Loons is a cool name and this logo is rad.

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The logo and "nickname" are super rad. So why weren't they just the MN Loons? I find it disingenuous and very much pandering how fake the MLS is and how hard they try to be European. How can you have multiple teams in the same league with the same name? You lose all credibility at that point.
 

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Wait, it’s ridiculous to think the name is fine and shouldn’t be changed? Why? I have a lot of problems with sports mascots. Namely, every team name since about 1990.
wild, heat, raptors, grizzlies, thrashers, ducks, predators, magic. There is something magical about the old names. Especially baseball. Sox, Yankees, Dodgers. They don’t make em like they used to.
Valpo is getting rid of the name “crusaders” too.
I don't have any problems with sports mascots because I don't give them a thought.
Racist team names belong in the 1850's.
 

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I don't have any problems with sports mascots because I don't give them a thought.
Racist team names belong in the 1850's.
I’m really proud of you for coming out against racism in 2021. It takes guts and we’re all really impressed.
 
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