A Coronavirus Vaccine Won’t Work if People Don’t Take It

Ogee Oglethorpe

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This is my question to everyone who still wants to control peoples lives with COVID restrictions. Everyone has the ability to get the vaccine, everyone has the ability to stay home and not socialize.

Why do people care of others are willing to take the 'risk' of socializing, not wearing masks, and not getting the vaccine? That's their problem, not yours.
The days of personal responsibility and personal accountability are all but gone. Let's at least be honest about that.
 

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There is very little reason for someone under 30 to get it outside some sense of duty.
This just isn't true. The rate of people under 30 having serious complications from COVID, while low, is still much higher than the rate of anyone having a serious side effect from the vaccine. And while we don't 100% know the long-term effects of either, it's highly likely the long-term effects of COVID are more dangerous than the long-term effects of the vaccine. This is the BS that has to stop. There may be specific people with auto-immune issues for whom the vaccine is the greater risk. To say that's true for everyone under 30 is just false.
 

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Well, we better lockdown again then, right? Cuz...we don’t know.
We can track cases, hospitalization and death rates to give us a pretty good understanding of what is happening and May in the near future. The more we study vaccines and transmission, the better we’ll be able to understand it.
 

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As long as we are taking opinions from amateur epis (see GII) here's my take:
Unlike normal viruses, I'm thinking that herd immunity for COVID-19 probably means vaccinating most people over 70 and anyone who is obese. That should get most of the superspreaders. Add more cheap-rapid testing and we're in good shape.
The difference is the info I post isn’t just made up.
 

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Whoa, there GII.

Weren't you the one who repeatedly said to rely on the specialists? Like Osterholm? Yet NOW you wont touch him and his garbage.

Telling.

And you wont touch the "bad communication" trash, either.
Had to look up what you guys are even referring to as it seems you’re all more obsessed with him than anyone else. Looks like he said the world will see a surge (is true) and the US will see one too (hasn’t happened). Others disagreed with him because of how many are being vaccinated. He stated a prediction that is probably wrong. Most other experts believed he was wrong when he said it. Some of you guys hang onto the words of specific people way too much.
 

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We can track cases, hospitalization and death rates to give us a pretty good understanding of what is happening and May in the near future. The more we study vaccines and transmission, the better we’ll be able to understand it.

We've been tracking COVID cases, hospitalization, and death rates for well over a year now. Nearly 247 million doses of the vaccine have been given out just in the US.

There is no shortage of data, we have a good understanding of what's happening.
 

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This just isn't true. The rate of people under 30 having serious complications from COVID, while low, is still much higher than the rate of anyone having a serious side effect from the vaccine. And while we don't 100% know the long-term effects of either, it's highly likely the long-term effects of COVID are more dangerous than the long-term effects of the vaccine. This is the BS that has to stop. There may be specific people with auto-immune issues for whom the vaccine is the greater risk. To say that's true for everyone under 30 is just false.
We really don’t know the side effects of the vax. Side effects seem to be worse in younger people for some reason although somewhat anecdotal. And most people will rely on personal experience. For young people, the experience of them and their friends has been that covid just isn’t a big deal. It’s not BS. And why do you care so much?
 

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Had to look up what you guys are even referring to as it seems you’re all more obsessed with him than anyone else. Looks like he said the world will see a surge (is true) and the US will see one too (hasn’t happened). Others disagreed with him because of how many are being vaccinated. He stated a prediction that is probably wrong. Most other experts believed he was wrong when he said it. Some of you guys hang onto the words of specific people way too much.
So Osterholm can be minimized now.
 

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We really don’t know the side effects of the vax. Side effects seem to be worse in younger people for some reason although somewhat anecdotal. And most people will rely on personal experience. For young people, the experience of them and their friends has been that covid just isn’t a big deal. It’s not BS. And why do you care so much?
Yes we do. It's been months since the first people had the vaccine. And we know the general history of vaccine side effects over decades. Long-term adverse reactions are incredibly rare.

Young people with healthy immune systems are having a stronger immune response to the vaccine and thus more short-term side effects. There is no evidence of it causing any long-term issues in any significant # of cases. There are plenty more younger people suffering long-term side effects from Covid itself. From taste and smell that's never returned to heart issues. It's not close.
 

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Yes we do. It's been months since the first people had the vaccine. And we know the general history of vaccine side effects over decades. Long-term adverse reactions are incredibly rare.

Young people with healthy immune systems are having a stronger immune response to the vaccine and thus more short-term side effects. There is no evidence of it causing any long-term issues in any significant # of cases. There are plenty more younger people suffering long-term side effects from Covid itself. From taste and smell that's never returned to heart issues. It's not close.

I'd love to see the data behind this.
 

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I'd love to see the data behind this.
Meanwhile, where is the data that the vaccine is risky for people under 30?

About 27% of patients between 18 and 39 years of age reported persistent symptoms, compared with 30% of those between 40 and 64, and 43% of those aged 65 and older, the findings showed.


The Greig family from Buffalo, Minnesota, watched their daughter, Samantha, last week while in a medically induced coma at a Minneapolis hospital for a serious condition associated with COVID-19.
The 13-year-old was diagnosed with multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children, or MIS-C, according to the family, after learning she also tested positive for COVID-19.

"They put her on a ventilator," said Angela Greig, Samantha’s mother. "They couldn't get her fever under control, there was inflammation all over her body, her kidney, gallbladder — it's been very touch-and-go."

 

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Meanwhile, where is the data that the vaccine is risky for people under 30?

About 27% of patients between 18 and 39 years of age reported persistent symptoms, compared with 30% of those between 40 and 64, and 43% of those aged 65 and older, the findings showed.


The Greig family from Buffalo, Minnesota, watched their daughter, Samantha, last week while in a medically induced coma at a Minneapolis hospital for a serious condition associated with COVID-19.
The 13-year-old was diagnosed with multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children, or MIS-C, according to the family, after learning she also tested positive for COVID-19.

"They put her on a ventilator," said Angela Greig, Samantha’s mother. "They couldn't get her fever under control, there was inflammation all over her body, her kidney, gallbladder — it's been very touch-and-go."


I never said it was.

And your study is of only 177 people, and their main the 'long haul' symptoms besides loss of taste and smell, was brain fog and fatigue, which pretty much everyone suffers from with or without COVID.

And yes in extremely rare cases, children do have severe cases of COVID. Now compare that to the flu in children.
 

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Yes we do. It's been months since the first people had the vaccine. And we know the general history of vaccine side effects over decades. Long-term adverse reactions are incredibly rare.

Young people with healthy immune systems are having a stronger immune response to the vaccine and thus more short-term side effects. There is no evidence of it causing any long-term issues in any significant # of cases. There are plenty more younger people suffering long-term side effects from Covid itself. From taste and smell that's never returned to heart issues. It's not close.
The general history of vaccines wouldn’t seem to apply to mRNA vax which is new tech.

youre honestly talking about long term effects of a vaccine that’s not even a year old? Of course there’s no evidence.

regardless, it’s not close to you, but other people feel different. Many already had the virus and didn’t even have any symptoms. You think their risk judgement is wrong for not wanting the vax but it’s perfectly reasonable. Why do you even care?
 

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Yes we do. It's been months since the first people had the vaccine. And we know the general history of vaccine side effects over decades. Long-term adverse reactions are incredibly rare.

Young people with healthy immune systems are having a stronger immune response to the vaccine and thus more short-term side effects. There is no evidence of it causing any long-term issues in any significant # of cases. There are plenty more younger people suffering long-term side effects from Covid itself. From taste and smell that's never returned to heart issues. It's not close.
What‘s your definition of “long term side effect”? 8 weeks.

I’m pro-vaccine and I doubt that there are long term side effects, but we literally may not know for years.
 

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I never said it was.

And your study is of only 177 people, and their main the 'long haul' symptoms besides loss of taste and smell, was brain fog and fatigue, which pretty much everyone suffers from with or without COVID.

And yes in extremely rare cases, children do have severe cases of COVID. Now compare that to the flu in children.
howie loves anecdotes to prove his point. Statistics...not so much.
 

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I never said it was.

And your study is of only 177 people, and their main the 'long haul' symptoms besides loss of taste and smell, was brain fog and fatigue, which pretty much everyone suffers from with or without COVID.

And yes in extremely rare cases, children do have severe cases of COVID. Now compare that to the flu in children.
What does the flu have to do with taking the COVID vaccine? You love moving the goal posts when you're losing.

The point is there is far more evidence of people under 30 suffering effects from COVID than there are of them suffering from the vaccine.
 

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The general history of vaccines wouldn’t seem to apply to mRNA vax which is new tech.

youre honestly talking about long term effects of a vaccine that’s not even a year old? Of course there’s no evidence.

regardless, it’s not close to you, but other people feel different. Many already had the virus and didn’t even have any symptoms. You think their risk judgement is wrong for not wanting the vax but it’s perfectly reasonable. Why do you even care?
People should make their own judgements, but based on good data and not idiots saying "It doesn't effect people under 30 anyway" when it can and is. Especially the newer variants.

mRNA vaccines have been studied in other diseases for longer than a year. There is no evidence of any hidden long-term effects. Anything is possible. But we know even less about the long-term effects of COVID.
 

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As a opposed to walking with your wife outside? Mask up.

I don’t think you know the CDC guidelines. It’s more liberal than that.
If he didn't wear a mask walking outside to speak to reporters, you'd screech about him not caring about infecting them. He can't win with the 34% Trump cult, but that's not who it's aimed at.
 

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What does the flu have to do with taking the COVID vaccine? You love moving the goal posts when you're losing.

The point is there is far more evidence of people under 30 suffering effects from COVID than there are of them suffering from the vaccine.

Losing? Your evidence is 48 people 'suffering' of brain fog and fatigue.

It's comparable to the flu because people don't get worked up about others not getting a flu shot, especially those under 30, when the flu is far more harmful to young people than COVID is. Plus you're going to have to get a COVID shot every year now, just like the flu shot.

So why do we treat a less deadly disease in young people far more harshly than one that has been around forever, and is far more deadly?
 

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People should make their own judgements, but based on good data and not idiots saying "It doesn't effect people under 30 anyway" when it can and is. Especially the newer variants.

mRNA vaccines have been studied in other diseases for longer than a year. There is no evidence of any hidden long-term effects. Anything is possible. But we know even less about the long-term effects of COVID.
Studied, not known. It’s a new tech. Certainly never been tried on anywhere near this scale. Caution is perfectly understandable. I really don’t believe that 30% under 30 have long term effects from covid. Lingering fatigue is not very compelling.
The variants seem like more fear porn.
 

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If he didn't wear a mask walking outside to speak to reporters, you'd screech about him not caring about infecting them. He can't win with the 34% Trump cult, but that's not who it's aimed at.
No we wouldn’t. He’s vaccinated. If it works, he shouldn’t be wearing a mask at all anywhere. Wearing one alone and outside but not in the home of 90 year olds is just crazy. But you defend it. Lick lick.
 
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