A Coronavirus Vaccine Won’t Work if People Don’t Take It

GophersInIowa

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Joe Biden is causing doubt by double masking AFTER he has been fully vaccinated.

Nothing says confidence in the vaccine like acting that you haven’t gotten vaccinated yet.
There are two main potential benefits of vaccines. One is to reduce the chance of serious illness or death. The Covid vaccines have shown to be very effective in that regard. The second is to prevent transmission. Less is known about this however there is starting to be evidence it also does a good job there too. But the unknown is why masks are still recommended. It’s been explained so many times.

The only people saying him wearing a mask is acting like he hasn’t been vaccinated are people that don’t even try to understand the situation.
 

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It was a “Category 5 Hurricane surge” to be precise. On the other hand, it was Osterholm, so 🤷‍♂️. He is about due to try and raise his name again.
You and barnburner do a good job of keeping him famous here. I think the two of you bring him up more than everyone else combined.
 

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There are two main potential benefits of vaccines. One is to reduce the chance of serious illness or death. The Covid vaccines have shown to be very effective in that regard. The second is to prevent transmission. Less is known about this however there is starting to be evidence it also does a good job there too. But the unknown is why masks are still recommended. It’s been explained so many times.

The only people saying him wearing a mask is acting like he hasn’t been vaccinated are people that don’t even try to understand the situation.
“The only people saying him wearing a mask is acting like he hasn’t been vaccinated are people that don’t even try to understand the situation.”

Interesting theory...pulled out of your ass.

Sorry. There is no evidence that shows vaccinated individuals can transmit Covid to any unvaccinated individual to any significant extent.

And even if there were, that’s the unvaccinated person’s issue.

If you have proof otherwise, please post it.
 

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There are two main potential benefits of vaccines. One is to reduce the chance of serious illness or death. The Covid vaccines have shown to be very effective in that regard. The second is to prevent transmission. Less is known about this however there is starting to be evidence it also does a good job there too. But the unknown is why masks are still recommended. It’s been explained so many times.

The only people saying him wearing a mask is acting like he hasn’t been vaccinated are people that don’t even try to understand the situation.
Then quit whining that people don’t feel incented to get vaccinated. The message by wearing masks alone outside after vax is that they don’t work. And their ridiculous graphic that all you can do post vax that you could do pre vax is outside. Those two things do so much more to lower the people who want to get a vaccine than Russian trolls who say the vax turns you into a monkey.
 

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You and barnburner do a good job of keeping him famous here. I think the two of you bring him up more than everyone else combined.
We were told to trust the experts. And then we were told the only reason people don’t trust public health experts is because it’s Trumps fault. So I think those people who say that need to own Osterholm.
 

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“The only people saying him wearing a mask is acting like he hasn’t been vaccinated are people that don’t even try to understand the situation.”

Interesting theory...pulled out of your ass.

Sorry. There is no evidence that shows vaccinated individuals can transmit Covid to any unvaccinated individual to any significant extent.

And even if there were, that’s the unvaccinated person’s issue.

If you have proof otherwise, please post it.
There’s no conclusive evidence either way because it hasn’t been studied enough yet. Going with the “we’ll just assume it prevents transmission until proven otherwise” probably isn’t appropriate.
 

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It’s not even close to being over, especially if a large portion of the population refuses to get the vaccine. The more people the virus can infect, the increases chances of more variants.

People have the right to refuse the vaccine but less would if they were basing their decision on factual information.
There are a billion people in India who aren’t vaccinated and we won’t share the tech with them or send them our unused vaccines. Guess what, according to what you say, that’s going to cause a lot of variation. So it’s over. No, I don’t mean the virus is over. I mean government getting to dictate our lives is over. Job done. You can get the vaccine, then you are in control of your own risk. Over.
 

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There’s no conclusive evidence either way because it hasn’t been studied enough yet. Going with the “we’ll just assume it prevents transmission until proven otherwise” probably isn’t appropriate.
Fine. We will assume it doesn’t protect transmission. Get the vaccine if you want or don’t.
 

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Anyone see the news coverage about how they’re trying to incentivize vaccines to the black community in Detroit? Paying people if they bring a friend or relative to a vaccine center. I guess there’s a ton of skepticism towards the covid vaccine in the black community, my guess is that a lot of them are well aware of the Tuskegee experiment
Sound like Trump voters.
 

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Then quit whining that people don’t feel incented to get vaccinated. The message by wearing masks alone outside after vax is that they don’t work. And their ridiculous graphic that all you can do post vax that you could do pre vax is outside. Those two things do so much more to lower the people who want to get a vaccine than Russian trolls who say the vax turns you into a monkey.
Safety is the #1 reason some people say they won’t get vaccinated. It’s largely being fed by lies that this was rushed, didn’t go through the proper trials, etc. Or that lots of people are having serious side effects or dying from the vaccine. There’s still people saying it could cause infertility.
 

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There are a billion people in India who aren’t vaccinated and we won’t share the tech with them or send them our unused vaccines. Guess what, according to what you say, that’s going to cause a lot of variation. So it’s over. No, I don’t mean the virus is over. I mean government getting to dictate our lives is over. Job done. You can get the vaccine, then you are in control of your own risk. Over.
India produces more Covid vaccines than any other country.
 

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Safety is the #1 reason some people say they won’t get vaccinated. It’s largely being fed by lies that this was rushed, didn’t go through the proper trials, etc. Or that lots of people are having serious side effects or dying from the vaccine. There’s still people saying it could cause infertility.
Just as long as you're willing to own that a lot of that paranoia and misinformation began last summer/fall from Democratic lawmakers and media members who adamantly said not to trust the Trump vaccine that was rushed
 

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There’s no conclusive evidence either way because it hasn’t been studied enough yet. Going with the “we’ll just assume it prevents transmission until proven otherwise” probably isn’t appropriate.
Is that how we decide to make policy or take action? Well, we haven’t proven that it can’t happen, so we better prevent it.
 

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Just as long as you're willing to own that a lot of that paranoia and misinformation began last summer/fall from Democratic lawmakers and media members who adamantly said not to trust the Trump vaccine that was rushed
I’ve said repeatedly to not listen to politicians on anything related to science and health.
 

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What a dumbfuk? If Joe Bumblefuk doesn’t have a script, he doesn’t have a clue about what they‘ve done or haven’t done.

AP Fact Check of Biden:

BIDEN: “When I got elected, I said in the first 100 days we’d get 100 million people vaccinated. I was wrong; we got 230 million vaccinated.

THE FACTS: No, he misstated both his promise and the results. Biden confused the number of shots administered with the number of people vaccinated.

Biden initially promised 100 million shots would be administered in his first 100 days, doubled that goal in late March, and surpassed it before the 100 days were up in late April. But many of those shots were second Pfizer and Moderna doses.

Altogether, close to 148 million people in the U.S. have received at least one dose and close to 106 million have been fully vaccinated — not 230 million. As of Monday, almost 247 million shots have been given, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


 

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As long as we are taking opinions from amateur epis (see GII) here's my take:
Unlike normal viruses, I'm thinking that herd immunity for COVID-19 probably means vaccinating most people over 70 and anyone who is obese. That should get most of the superspreaders. Add more cheap-rapid testing and we're in good shape.
 

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You and barnburner do a good job of keeping him famous here. I think the two of you bring him up more than everyone else combined.
Whoa, there GII.

Weren't you the one who repeatedly said to rely on the specialists? Like Osterholm? Yet NOW you wont touch him and his garbage.

Telling.

And you wont touch the "bad communication" trash, either.
 

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We were told to trust the experts. And then we were told the only reason people don’t trust public health experts is because it’s Trumps fault. So I think those people who say that need to own Osterholm.
GII doesn't want any part of O now......
 

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Disneyland just reopened. Lots of parts of society were shut down, or capacity reduced. Schools closed. Remotely close? Absolutely. Two weeks to slow the spread was a terrible lie.
Those people/jobs dont count to GII.
 

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Safety is the #1 reason some people say they won’t get vaccinated. It’s largely being fed by lies that this was rushed, didn’t go through the proper trials, etc. Or that lots of people are having serious side effects or dying from the vaccine. There’s still people saying it could cause infertility.
Lets see.....who started that discussion GII?
 

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What a dumbfuk? If Joe Bumblefuk doesn’t have a script, he doesn’t have a clue about what they‘ve done or haven’t done.

AP Fact Check of Biden:

BIDEN: “When I got elected, I said in the first 100 days we’d get 100 million people vaccinated. I was wrong; we got 230 million vaccinated.

THE FACTS: No, he misstated both his promise and the results. Biden confused the number of shots administered with the number of people vaccinated.

Biden initially promised 100 million shots would be administered in his first 100 days, doubled that goal in late March, and surpassed it before the 100 days were up in late April. But many of those shots were second Pfizer and Moderna doses.

Altogether, close to 148 million people in the U.S. have received at least one dose and close to 106 million have been fully vaccinated — not 230 million. As of Monday, almost 247 million shots have been given, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


Trumpian.
 

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Safety is the #1 reason some people say they won’t get vaccinated. It’s largely being fed by lies that this was rushed, didn’t go through the proper trials, etc. Or that lots of people are having serious side effects or dying from the vaccine. There’s still people saying it could cause infertility.
It was rushed, some people have side effects that are serious, maybe it can? There is very little reason for someone under 30 to get it outside some sense of duty. Why does it bother you so much?
 

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It was rushed, some people have side effects that are serious, maybe it can? There is very little reason for someone under 30 to get it outside some sense of duty. Why does it bother you so much?

This is my question to everyone who still wants to control peoples lives with COVID restrictions. Everyone has the ability to get the vaccine, everyone has the ability to stay home and not socialize.

Why do people care of others are willing to take the 'risk' of socializing, not wearing masks, and not getting the vaccine? That's their problem, not yours.
 
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