9 Minneapolis City Council Members Announce Plan to Disband Police Department

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I thought no one was actually advocating for this?


Nine Minneapolis City Council members announced plans Sunday to disband the city’s police department. They did not offer a timeline or propose specific actions but said they are “taking intermediate steps toward ending” the force. The group represents a majority on the 12-person council.
 

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Howie said it will never happen so nothing to worry about.
There's an interesting idea at the heart of this, there are many legitimate problems with police, but my confidence that this particular solution will be successful is zero.
 

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Howie said it will never happen so nothing to worry about.
There's an interesting idea at the heart of this, there are many legitimate problems with police, but my confidence that this particular solution will be successful is zero.
We all have some level of concern regarding what any and all of this will mean. However, if we the residents are vocal, this could actually lead a police force that doesn't have to deal as much with social issues that have little to do with policing. Edit: This includes Mental Health and Drug Addiction.
 
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Yesterday Ward 3 Council Member Steve Fletcher did a national interview on MPR about the city council's plan for the Mpls Police Department. He said the council is going to take a year or more to come up with a definitive plan. They will be studying police departments in the U.S. and around the world to come up with the best ideas for law enforcement. He said for most police calls you don't need to send cops carrying guns to respond to them because there is not an immediate threat of violence.

Based on Fletcher's comments it appears whatever public agency replaces the police department will be employing far more specialists to deal with non-violent situations and fewer cops patrolling the streets with guns and routinely stopping anyone who looks suspicious to them. Me guess is the only ones carrying guns will be in very selective units made up of highly trained and experienced officers who have a demonstrated history of handling violent situations in a professional manner without resorting to excessive force as a matter of course.

It goes without saying that many of the cops presently employed by the Mpls Police Department won't be part of the new organization and whatever collective bargaining agreement replaces the present agreement with the Mpls Federation of Police will not include a provision for mandatory arbitration that prevents the firing of cops who routinely exceed their authority in carrying out their duties.


Movement to defund police sees Minneapolis as proving ground

Protesters in Minneapolis and across the country have found a new rallying cry: Abolish the police. And they’re determined to make the city where George Floyd died a national example of radical change. They may differ on what it means to dismantle or defund the police. But the idea has gained momentum across the country, with activists asking people to redefine public safety without armed, uniformed officers of the law.

Kandace Montgomery, executive director of Black Visions, said the process to create something in its place begins now. Black Visions was formed in 2017 in part by people who helped establish the local chapter of Black Lives Matter, Montgomery said. After defining the collective’s message, the group held a protest in front of Frey’s home in 2018 asking him to divest from the police department.


“What happens here in Minneapolis is going to shape the rest of the country and, I believe, the world, so we want to get it right.” It also means building a different structure to respond to danger that is “culturally appropriate and competent,” she said. Instead of officers responding to calls of domestic assault, substance abuse or mental-health issues, they would be handled by professionals in those fields.

This week, movement leaders have forced elected officials to take a public stand. On Saturday, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey was heckled and sent away by protesters after he told them he did not support a full abolishment of the police department. The next day, in front of a massive crowd at Powderhorn Park, a majority of City Council members stood on a stage and said they would “begin the process of ending the Minneapolis Police Department.”

https://www.startribune.com/movement-to-defund-police-sees-minneapolis-as-proving-ground/571116932/
 
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The Minneapolis City Council is a joke. They do want police, but they will use tax payer funds to pay for their own private security. This group of people cannot be more irresponsible and stupid. This will hurt the inner city, low-income people the most. Please vote them out.
 

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I think we should defund the police and replace them with a similar group that does the same thing - only this time don't hire any bad seeds. Zero.
 

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Before announcing a police defunding action, perhaps the MPLS city council should have talked to a few more residents?

Peaceful protests!
 

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This is what it is like in North Mpls on a daily basis. Frey knows what needs to be done, but he doesn't want to anger his base of moronic anti-police voters. Council members are finding it harder and harder to ignore the pleas for help but some still do (while accepting private protection). Extremely frustrating having to deal with the many criminals who know the odds of being arrested are slim. It's never been great in North crime wise but all of this started after the news of defunding began.

Emotional reaction from one citizen in the video is worth watching.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020...dents-call-for-change-in-their-neighborhoods/
 

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I read an article a few months ago that the cost for renting a uhaul to exit a big city is 8 times the cost of renting a uhaul to enter a big city. Supply and demand.

So i checked boise to seattle - was $100. Seattle to Boise was $800. Would guess that price differential is still holding true.
 

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Soon they will not need police.....the city has one foot in the grave. Frey and the city council are getting what they deserve, a dead city void of business, art, entertainment. Those who vote these ingrates in will get what they deserve, highest taxes in the galaxy and falling property values. Those MPLS residents with no access to jobs in and out of the city will be left with nothing and that is sad. Frey will be long gone to his next scam.
 

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How long before some of those Fortune 500 companies start heading out of town for softer tax rates and safer environments; states with no income tax or lower taxes are calling already, for sure
 

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How long before some of those Fortune 500 companies start heading out of town for softer tax rates and safer environments; states with no income tax or lower taxes are calling already, for sure
Workers are more important than any of that, Republicans try to say otherwise but the fact is most big companies are in big liberal cities because that's where the brains are.

They go to bum fuck trumpville to get cheap low wage low skill workers and only if they need a bunch of those.
 

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How long before some of those Fortune 500 companies start heading out of town for softer tax rates and safer environments; states with no income tax or lower taxes are calling already, for sure
Not long. Staying in Minneapolis will make it tougher to attract employees. As leases expire..... out they go. Companies that own their own downtown buildings might sweat it out longer. King Walz and the woke little mayor have done a terrible disservice to the city and state and it will take a long time to recover from these two knuckleheads.
 

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Not long. Staying in Minneapolis will make it tougher to attract employees. As leases expire..... out they go. Companies that own their own downtown buildings might sweat it out longer. King Walz and the woke little mayor have done a terrible disservice to the city and state and it will take a long time to recover from these two knuckleheads.
You spew this based on what?
Oh yes... absolutely nothing...
 

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How long before some of those Fortune 500 companies start heading out of town for softer tax rates and safer environments; states with no income tax or lower taxes are calling already, for sure
We've literally been hearing this for 50 years. Maybe some companies value other things besides money. Or, they feel that the cost-benefit analysis is in favor of MN. Not everyone values pure $$ above all else. That's pretty myopic, don't you think? And obviously, others agree.
 
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You spew this based on what?
Oh yes... absolutely nothing...
I think someone with either intelligence or just common sense in the top 50th percentile could figure out what is going to happen, but that leaves you out.

 

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Workers are more important than any of that, Republicans try to say otherwise but the fact is most big companies are in big liberal cities because that's where the brains are.

They go to bum fuck trumpville to get cheap low wage low skill workers and only if they need a bunch of those.
Are you trying to say that they don't find value in MAGA rock biters like booj, KFC, deuce, ogee, spoofin, etc?
 

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We've literally been hearing this for 50 years. Maybe some companies value other things besides money. Or, they feel that the cost-benefit analysis is in favor of MN. Not everyone value pure $$ above all else. That's pretty myopic, don't you think? And obviously, others agree.
Jake- Seriously, think it through. Many of the jobs that would have been in downtown Minneapolis are either office jobs that can be done remotely or restaurants. Businesses are run for......money (profit). If the same function can be done somewhere else, more safely, equally effectively and for less money- that's where it is going. There will be companies leaving as leases expire. Perhaps other will filter in to suck up bargains on space, but that is going to take time and only happens after Minneapolis cleans house.

We have talked about it for years regarding taxes. Taxes will not push out a lot of functions but they limit size. You may have the company headquarters here if this is where it starts but expansion often goes elsewhere if possible for taxes and other reasons.
 

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Jake- Seriously, think it through. Many of the jobs that would have been in downtown Minneapolis are either office jobs that can be done remotely or restaurants. Businesses are run for......money (profit). If the same function can be done somewhere else, more safely, equally effectively and for less money- that's where it is going. There will be companies leaving as leases expire. Perhaps other will filter in to suck up bargains on space, but that is going to take time and only happens after Minneapolis cleans house.

We have talked about it for years regarding taxes. Taxes will not push out a lot of functions but they limit size. You may have the company headquarters here if this is where it starts but expansion often goes elsewhere if possible for taxes and other reasons.
You are right about one thing, but you're wrong about why.

We will start to see companies shrink their office footprint. They're going to shrink to save rent because they're finding out that a lot of work can be done at home.
 

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Jake- Seriously, think it through. Many of the jobs that would have been in downtown Minneapolis are either office jobs that can be done remotely or restaurants. Businesses are run for......money (profit). If the same function can be done somewhere else, more safely, equally effectively and for less money- that's where it is going. There will be companies leaving as leases expire. Perhaps other will filter in to suck up bargains on space, but that is going to take time and only happens after Minneapolis cleans house.

We have talked about it for years regarding taxes. Taxes will not push out a lot of functions but they limit size. You may have the company headquarters here if this is where it starts but expansion often goes elsewhere if possible for taxes and other reasons.
50 years of this. We’re doing just fine. I’m curious though. You claim to own a business (never hear what). Why don’t you move it to a lower tax state, BGA?
 
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