2020 Presidential Election - Trump versus Biden

Gopherguy0723

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So now Democrats are bragging about gerrymandering? I remember when they thought it was a bad thing. Now it’s simply called “redistricting“.
If you go from 8 seats down to 7, then the districts have to expand. Unless someone retires, 2 incumbents have to run against each other.

With that said, you're right. They should appoint an independent commission to draw the maps. I wouldn't trust either party that has complete control to do gerrymander the maps.
 

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From Charlie Cook at the Cook Political Report:

"The cake is baked."

Trump's Ceiling Is Too Low for Him to Be Reelected
Charlie Cook New

Charlie Cook
September 15, 2020

A few excerpts:

The month of August, with its back-to-back political conventions, has passed without much fundamental change in the presidential race.

In each of the four polls, the former vice president held between 49 and 51 percent of the vote; each had the incumbent between 41 and 43 percent. That 41-43 percent support matches precisely the range of Trump’s job-approval numbers—approval ratings being the most reliable predictor of how an incumbent president will perform.

Worth keeping in mind is how these numbers fit into a broader context. During Trump’s first year in office, the Gallup Organization gave him an average 38 percent job-approval rating, the lowest of any first-term, elected president since the end of World War II and 11 points worse than the second-lowest, Bill Clinton. For Trump’s second year, he averaged 2 points higher at 40 percent, the lowest second year of any postwar elected president. In his third year, he ticked up another 2 points to 42 percent, the second-worst third year in office behind Jimmy Carter’s 37 percent.
That an incumbent president can have a six-month run of 50-year-low unemployment levels and still never hit 50 percent in any major national poll suggests that he’s got not just a firm ceiling, but an unprecedentedly low one.

At the same time, he has an uncanny ability to absorb the most negative of stories, like news that his lawyer paid $130,000 to a porn star to keep her quiet, without his numbers taking a hit. That is why those who think the contents of Bob Woodward’s book will be damning are so wrong; there is nothing that could be said or written, nothing that Trump can say or do, that would crack his base. Those expecting Trump to drop at the next negative story forget that it is hard to take a drop if you’ve never risen in the first place.

But this is also why those who are convinced that he will make a spectacular comeback are likely to be wrong as well. His standing is impervious to events. The vast majority of voters decided a long time ago whether they liked him or not, whether they would approve of his actions, and whether they would support his candidacy. For many voters, this cake is baked.
 

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But oddly, howie and Barack think Fox News has brainwashed the minds of righties.
Yep. Only me and Barack. There's no evidence of this out in the real world. Fox News viewers are all fair and balanced folks with a firm grip on reality and not at all prone to believe paranoid conspiracy theories and outright lies from the President.
 

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ROFL!!! Trump has another one of his brain spasms and they quickly cut away. Lol....someone in the background is even laughing.

But nah....that's not why they cut away. :ROFLMAO:
Last night Trump said "herd mentality" will solve Covid. He's probably too dumb to know the difference, so that may not be his dementia talking. But let's see some more doctored clips of Joe Biden stuttering or playing a fake song.
 

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How are those mines coming along up north? Trump's support for them sure is great!
"We've opened 97 new mines on the Minnesota Iron Range creating thousands of jobs. People are amazed."
 

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The sad thing is....after his eight hour Fox News binge....and a four hour tweet fest....he spent two hours coming up with this rant of stability.
He's so proud of his Electoral College victory he still carries the maps with him, but he has no idea of the basics of how it works.
 

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So...when is the OANN Biden Town Ambush? I can’t wait to see how Biden answers questions from Trump supporters with a RW moderator interrupting and challenging him. Heck, I can’t wait to see Biden answer questions without a teleprompter.
You're comparing ABC to Russian Propoganda OANN? Really? Truly pathetic.

Trump was awful tonight because he's an ignorant fool, not because it was "an ambush" boot-licker. George barely called him out, it was the attendees who did it. I guess American voters are "biased" and "deep state."
 

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This does call into question the party's running of Biden because of his moderate record. No matter who they ran, they'd end up getting labeled as a communist, so one school of thought is that you might as well run a liberal so you inspire the more liberal voters to get out there and vote. On the other hand, it's clear that Biden is more palatable to swing voters than Warren or whoever. My assumption has been that they have polling that's helped them decide to go this route.
Pete said this from the beginning "we'll all be called Communists." It's a mistake to assume everyone buys into the BS though. Bernie running on M4All, eliminating all student debt etc. would be having to explain how massive his tax increases would be right now.
 

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Trump is finished in Minnesota. The last 5 polls all have Trump down by at least 8 points. Two new polls released today have him down by 9 and 16.

This bolds especially well for DFL control of the state legislature. The DFL will control both houses and the governor's office. The GOP should have taken the DFL's offer of compromise on several bills. The GOP arrogantly refused to make any concessions. The GOP will now see even worse outcomes. Really dumb, especially because Walz was always going to be in the GOP's way.

Redistricting will really suck for the GOP now. Minnesota will lose a seat next year. You can bet those rural districts will get heavily consolidated, and Angie Craig will get more of St. Paul. The state senate redistricting will be really brutal.
It's not a sure thing MN will lose a seat yet. They may, but their response rate is in the top 5 and with the Trump Admin. stopping the Census early to avoid counting brown people, they may just make it. But I agree, if they do, it's the R's who essentially lose the seat, or more accurately fail to gain one. They will take CD7 the instant Peterson retires (if not this year) and that is the district that will be effectively carved up.
 

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They will take CD7 the instant Peterson retires (if not this year) and that is the district that will be effectively carved up.
I suspect that Peterson hangs on this year (barely) and retires after the new term. He's 76. And, as you said, at that point the Republicans win his old territory.
 

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I suspect that Peterson hangs on this year (barely) and retires after the new term. He's 76. And, as you said, at that point the Republicans win his old territory.
Fishbach is a tougher opponent then he's had previously. I've only seen one poll (and it was an R poll) but he was down 10. It will be close.
 

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Last night Trump said "herd mentality" will solve Covid. He's probably too dumb to know the difference, so that may not be his dementia talking. But let's see some more doctored clips of Joe Biden stuttering or playing a fake song.
If everyone had the Herd mentality, the world would be a better place. Trump knows winners when he sees them.
 

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Yep. Only me and Barack. There's no evidence of this out in the real world. Fox News viewers are all fair and balanced folks with a firm grip on reality and not at all prone to believe paranoid conspiracy theories and outright lies from the President.
Didn't you tell me there is no media bias. Or is FOX the one exception?
 

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If you go from 8 seats down to 7, then the districts have to expand. Unless someone retires, 2 incumbents have to run against each other.

With that said, you're right. They should appoint an independent commission to draw the maps. I wouldn't trust either party that has complete control to do gerrymander the maps.
I'm 100% in favor of Democratic triumvirates implementing independent districting commissions.
 

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If you go from 8 seats down to 7, then the districts have to expand. Unless someone retires, 2 incumbents have to run against each other.

With that said, you're right. They should appoint an independent commission to draw the maps. I wouldn't trust either party that has complete control to do gerrymander the maps.
If we're going to go the route of an independent commission, codify that approach. Make it a constitutional amendment. I would not expect either party to voluntarily cede authority to a non-partisan entity unless it's going to be done that way no matter who's in power.
 

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If we're going to go the route of an independent commission, codify that approach. Make it a constitutional amendment. I would not expect either party to voluntarily cede authority to a non-partisan entity unless it's going to be done that way no matter who's in power.
You could just pass a law to change districting. You could allow all House seats to be statewide elections. That's completely legal.
 

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I suspect that Peterson hangs on this year (barely) and retires after the new term. He's 76. And, as you said, at that point the Republicans win his old territory.
No. The new farm bill is 2023. He's hanging around for that, if he can win two more times, then he's gone.
 

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You could just pass a law to change districting. You could allow all House seats to be statewide elections. That's completely legal.
Any law can be repealed by any majority any time. Not good enough.
 

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So now Democrats are bragging about gerrymandering? I remember when they thought it was a bad thing. Now it’s simply called “redistricting“.
I agree it's bad whoever does it....
I really wish we had an option besides democrat and republican.
 

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If you go from 8 seats down to 7, then the districts have to expand. Unless someone retires, 2 incumbents have to run against each other.

With that said, you're right. They should appoint an independent commission to draw the maps. I wouldn't trust either party that has complete control to do gerrymander the maps.
I think you just set up a program that makes every district as close to a square as possible. I am sure you could define a square mathematically and just set the districts to have the highest square factor, remove all gerrymandering.
 

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No I support slowing legislation. More laws is not necessarily what we need.
Briefly, we need much more legislation, we need to hold parties accountable for voting and doing instead of posturing, and we need to weaken the executive and judicial branches by empowering the legislative branch.
 

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No I support slowing legislation. More laws is not necessarily what we need.
I used to agree with this. However, we have become governed by a Congress that does nothing but pass continuing resolutions and leaves everything else to the Executive Branch and the Courts. This is not good or what was intended.
 

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I used to agree with this. However, we have become governed by a Congress that does nothing but pass continuing resolutions and leaves everything else to the Executive Branch and the Courts. This is not good or what was intended.
Making law is supposed to be deliberative and negotiated, and therefore a slow process.

You want to end the filibuster as long as it’s your side. You will be crying like a baby if the Republicans get majorities in Congress and hold the WH after Democrats end the filibuster,
 

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Making law is supposed to be deliberative and negotiated, and therefore a slow process.

You want to end the filibuster as long as it’s your side. You will be crying like a baby if the Republicans get majorities in Congress and hold the WH after Democrats end the filibuster,
Sure it's supposed to be. But Congress is no longer a deliberative body. It's a body of viscerally stopping your opponent. If we can only anything meaningful when one party has 60 Senate seats, it's basically non-functional.
 

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Here's the translation of the lyrics creepy Joe decided to play at his "press conference". I think he should start using this at all his events.

Yes, you know that I've been looking at you for a while
I have to dance with you today
I saw, that your look was calling me
Show me the way that I'm going oh
You you are the magnet and I'm the metal
I'm getting closer and I'm setting up the plan
Just the thought of it accelerates the pulse
now I'm enjoying it more than usual
All my senses are asking for more
This must be taken without any trouble

Slowly
I want to breathe your neck slowly

Let me tell you things in your ears
So that you remember when you're not with me
Slowly
I want to strip you off with kisses slowly
Sign the walls of your labrynth
And make your whole body a manuscript
Turn it up turn it up..... turn it up, turn it up

I wanna see you dance
I wanna be your rhythm
I want you to show me
Your favourite places places places Places
Let me surpass your danger zones
To make you scream
And forget your name

If I ask you for a kiss , come give it to me
I know that you're thinking about it
I've been trying for some time
Mommy this is giving and giving it
You know that your heart with me makes you bom bom
You know that this baby is looking for my bom bom
Come test my mouth to see what it taste like to you
I want to see how much love do you have
I'm not in a hurry, I want to do the trip
Let's start slowly then wildly

Step by step, soft softly
We are going to get caught little by little
When you kiss me so skillfully
I think that you're malicious delicately
Step by step, soft softly
We're going to get caught, little by little
And it's just that this beauty is a puzzle
But to put it together here I have the pieces

Slowly
I wanna breathe your neck slowly
Let me whisper things into your ear
So that you remember if you're not with me
Slowly
I wanna strip you off with kisses slowly
Sign the walls of your laberinth
And make your whole body a manuscript
Turn it up

I wanna see you dance
I wanna be your rhythm
I want you to show me
Your favourite places
Let me surpass your danger zones
Till I make you scream
And forget your name
Slowly
We will do it on the beach in Puerto Rico
Till the waves scream dear lord
So that my seal stays with you

Step by step, soft softly
We're going to get caught little by little
I want you to show me
Your favourite places places places Places
Step by step, soft softly
We're going to get caught little by little
To make you scream (Fonsi)
And forget your name (DY)
Slowly
 

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Making law is supposed to be deliberative and negotiated, and therefore a slow process.

You want to end the filibuster as long as it’s your side. You will be crying like a baby if the Republicans get majorities in Congress and hold the WH after Democrats end the filibuster,
Let the GOP pass laws. They'll be just as accountable for them. We'll all know where the parties truly stand and what they believe in, instead of telling us what thet believe in.
 

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Trump is finished in Minnesota. The last 5 polls all have Trump down by at least 8 points. Two new polls released today have him down by 9 and 16.

This bolds especially well for DFL control of the state legislature. The DFL will control both houses and the governor's office. The GOP should have taken the DFL's offer of compromise on several bills. The GOP arrogantly refused to make any concessions. The GOP will now see even worse outcomes. Really dumb, especially because Walz was always going to be in the GOP's way.

Redistricting will really suck for the GOP now. Minnesota will lose a seat next year. You can bet those rural districts will get heavily consolidated, and Angie Craig will get more of St. Paul. The state senate redistricting will be really brutal.
Good. Maybe the dunces will drop the "Minnesota is turning red" garbage now. It was hilarious at the time...them thinking it was actually happening. 2016 was a blip. For the redundacans who think that it was a sign of Minnesota "turning red"....keep in mind....Trump got the same 45% popular vote (1,322,591 votes) that Romney got in 2012 (1,320,225 votes). The only difference is that Clinton (who was horribly unpopular here....losing the caucus 62-38% to Sanders) got only got about 46.5% (1,367,716 votes) of the popular vote here compared with Obama who got 52.65% (1,546,167 votes) in 2012.

Biden easily won the 2020 Minnesota caucus with a 38.64%. The other vote getters were Sanders (29.89%), Warren (15.41%), Bloomberg (8.32%), Klobuchar (5.58%), and the remainder was other.

So....sorry to the redundacans hoping for a red tide here. So close.....but back to the sewers with you subhumans.
 
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