2020 Presidential Election - Trump versus Biden

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Trump supporters won't riot and loot if he loses. We will go back to work. If Biden loses, board up the buildings. The left are sore losers.
I hope that is true for Trump supporters. You can expect the same I'd think for the majority of Biden supporters too if it goes the other way around. If something happens, it's from the extremes no matter the side and should not be representative of the majority.
 

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I think he may someday pardon Joe and Hillary. Really. I don't think he wants to do damage to the country. You will find, someday, that guys like Manafort were set ups- he was for himself not Trump. I don't see anyone out there right now that is an obvious Trump pardon other than Flynn if justice did not prevail in his case. I know you don't follow this deeply but there never was any Russian collusion by Trump or his team-none. 100% a scam.

The day Manafort was publicly under investigation, Trump said this: "So my campaign manager is a crook. Fire him." Remember Trump never had a defensive briefing on Manafort, it was a set up.
Russian collusion hasn't been proven correct. Russian interference is a 100% guarantee.

I personally think both Biden and Trump have pushed lines. I also think many of the president's pardons from both parties have had some shade to them once they are "lame duck".
 
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Russian collusion hasn't been proven correct. Russian inference is a 100% guarantee.

I personally think both Biden and Trump have pushed lines. I also think many of the president's pardons from both parties have had some shade to them once they are "lame duck".
We knew this prior to 2016. China interference is 100%. United States inference is their countries is 100% guaranteed. Nothing to do with the Trumpster
 

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Legally, doesn't matter. But practically, it means white nationalist militias start murdering civilians when Trump is removed from office.
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We knew this prior to 2016. China interference is 100%. United States inference is their countries is 100% guaranteed. Nothing to do with the Trumpster
Correct bipartisan efforts to try to eliminate/limit/combat it would be good, just like those countries don't want us interfering with their elections. We shouldn't just chalk it up to being ok whether it's with Trump or anyone.
 

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Again, I ask, why does it matter if Trump "declares victory"? It's not like him saying that changes anything - Kanye West could declare victory today - BFD.
Because he's the freaking President. It will cause even more of his supporters not to accept the results if he loses. This election doesn't have to rip the country apart. But he's damn sure trying to make sure it does.
 

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I hope that is true for Trump supporters. You can expect the same I'd think for the majority of Biden supporters too if it goes the other way around. If something happens, it's from the extremes no matter the side and should not be representative of the majority.
The hard left rules the moderate Dems. If Biden wins (God forbid) the hard left will have control. Kamala is the President in that case by the end of 2021. End of our nation as we know it.
 

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Russian collusion hasn't been proven correct. Russian interference is a 100% guarantee.

I personally think both Biden and Trump have pushed lines. I also think many of the president's pardons from both parties have had some shade to them once they are "lame duck".
Russia, Iran and China will always do things. The 2017 ICA was a lie fueled by the dossier, and the "hack" of the DNC that was not a hack by Russia or anyone else- it was a download by an insider. What Russia did was zippo in the big picture. A study showed that Google was able to position information to move millions of votes in 2016. Real election interference, real fraud. China is the threat to America as is our media. China has a ton of influence over our media because of who owns them. See what has happened to the NBA- same situation.
 

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Trump is a complete jackass. We agree there. His behavior is often embarrassing. We agree there. My point is that folks on here get all worked up that he will "declare victory" before the counting is done. Who cares? It has zero impact on the actual result! I only used Kanye West to demonstrate how silly the outrage is. FTR - I don't give a crap if Biden "declares victory" before the counting is done either. Won't even register to me.

Go JO JO Go!
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Because he's the freaking President. It will cause even more of his supporters not to accept the results if he loses. This election doesn't have to rip the country apart. But he's damn sure trying to make sure it does.
What do you even mean by "his supporters not accepting the results"? Refuse to call Biden Mr. President? You are trying to make something out of nothing..... well, actually a nothing that hasn't even happened yet.
 

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Ha Ha. According to sidekick, you already have me.
Well- you see the options. Neither are perfect. Let's agree that Trump's personality falls short (although I still like him). 4 years from now- it will be the policies that last, not the tweets. This country is not divided because of him, it is divided because there are clearly now two different ideologies. You see what the left will do. You saw it with Covid and you have seen it with the media chilling speech. You saw the Obama administration abuse and corrupt all of the agencies and you have seen the left not allow Trump a peaceful transition. If they win, you will see socialistic measures in place that will never be removed. If Trump wins, America wins and if you don't like the way he talks, he will be gone in 4 years and leave behind a prosperous America that stood up to China.
 

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The odds right now are based on the polls. At these odds the smart money will come in at the end- on the Trump side. It is going to be close. This is a 50/50 race but it tilts Biden because of fake polls.
To an extent yes, but with the addition of public perception and the "prevailing winds", aka allowing them to see factors that polling does not.

Few examples:
  • Texas for example trump only polling ahead by (RCP) +2.3. would indicate a much tighter race than the -350 odds would.
  • Minnesota Biden +4.7 Would indicate a tighter race than the -350 odds would imply.
  • Florida, Biden is +1.2 but Trump is the -160 favorite implying a %60 chance Trump carries FL (and moving daily more into Trumps favor). So there is obviously some positive public perception that Trump carries Florida.
  • PA Polls have gone from Biden +3.8 to +3.6. odds indicting something else happening in PA
  • Pennsylvania (PA)-250+185-185+140
For what its worth I think trump to win MI or MN @ +220 or +250 is a significantly better bet than Biden +245 to win Texas. (Despite the RCP Poll #s)

As of now the odds undoubtable view trump better than the polls, If the odds were based solely off of polls you would end up with what Nate silver is looking at, a +90% percent of a Biden victory aka -900.

Agreed that the sharp money generally comes in towards the end, and agreed that come election day the odds will be closer to 50/50. Something like Biden -130 and Trump EVEN, implying 55/45, or something along those lines.

I am sure you get most of that without me explaining it, Just my thought on why the odds, and how they move COULD be a better way to find trends this election cycle, as I do not trust the polls. Using the odds to try and grasp some sort of predictive measure for the election.
 

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I hope that is true for Trump supporters. You can expect the same I'd think for the majority of Biden supporters too if it goes the other way around.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

What rock have you been living under for the last 4 years? The current bunch is the worst bunch of LOSERS the country has ever seen!!!

The bold is easily the most asinine ridiculous whack statement I've ever seen on this board. The frothing at the mouth for the last 3.5 years by the guys a lot of people have on Ignore is Exhibit A to the contrary. Nobody wears the LOSER hat like the Libs
 

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

What rock have you been living under for the last 4 years? The current bunch is the worst bunch of LOSERS the country has ever seen!!!

The bold is easily the most asinine ridiculous whack statement I've ever seen on this board. The frothing at the mouth for the last 3.5 years by the guys a lot of people have on Ignore is Exhibit A to the contrary. Nobody wears the LOSER hat like the Libs
Im sorry you have such a negative belief for a majority of a either side to handle it respectfully. I cannot speak With such positively for the extremes. Hope you have a good weekend and we can all cheer together for the gophers to kick Maryland’s ass tonight in football. I think “libs” can at least cheer for the gophers correctly without burning the city down.
 

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I hope that is true for Trump supporters. You can expect the same I'd think for the majority of Biden supporters too if it goes the other way around. If something happens, it's from the extremes no matter the side and should not be representative of the majority.
It's only 7% of the Hiden supporters...
 

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Im sorry you have such a negative belief for a majority of a either side to handle it respectfully. I cannot speak With such positively for the extremes. Hope you have a good weekend and we can all cheer together for the gophers to kick Maryland’s ass tonight in football. I think “libs” can at least cheer for the gophers correctly without burning the city down.
Sorry, you make zero sense. You're telling us that despite 4 years of STRONG and DAILY evidence to the contrary, the Dems are suddenly going to accept losing again next week graciously?

What is it that makes you think that?
 

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Im sorry you have such a negative belief for a majority of a either side to handle it respectfully. I cannot speak With such positively for the extremes. Hope you have a good weekend and we can all cheer together for the gophers to kick Maryland’s ass tonight in football. I think “libs” can at least cheer for the gophers correctly without burning the city down.
We need to have sports fully back to occupy liberals to keep them from ruining things. Most of them don't go to work any more so some time fillers are crucial! :)
 

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To an extent yes, but with the addition of public perception and the "prevailing winds", aka allowing them to see factors that polling does not.

Few examples:
  • Texas for example trump only polling ahead by (RCP) +2.3. would indicate a much tighter race than the -350 odds would.
  • Minnesota Biden +4.7 Would indicate a tighter race than the -350 odds would imply.
  • Florida, Biden is +1.2 but Trump is the -160 favorite implying a %60 chance Trump carries FL (and moving daily more into Trumps favor). So there is obviously some positive public perception that Trump carries Florida.
  • PA Polls have gone from Biden +3.8 to +3.6. odds indicting something else happening in PA
  • Pennsylvania (PA)-250+185-185+140
For what its worth I think trump to win MI or MN @ +220 or +250 is a significantly better bet than Biden +245 to win Texas. (Despite the RCP Poll #s)

As of now the odds undoubtable view trump better than the polls, If the odds were based solely off of polls you would end up with what Nate silver is looking at, a +90% percent of a Biden victory aka -900.

Agreed that the sharp money generally comes in towards the end, and agreed that come election day the odds will be closer to 50/50. Something like Biden -130 and Trump EVEN, implying 55/45, or something along those lines.

I am sure you get most of that without me explaining it, Just my thought on why the odds, and how they move COULD be a better way to find trends this election cycle, as I do not trust the polls. Using the odds to try and grasp some sort of predictive measure for the election.
I agree with what you said. Pretty much everyone gets that Silver is a quack by now though.
 

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Sorry, you make zero sense. You're telling us that despite 4 years of STRONG and DAILY evidence to the contrary, the Dems are suddenly going to accept losing again next week graciously?

What is it that makes you think that?
A majority of Joe Biden supporters/liberals are not protesting everyday. I think your math is significantly off. A large segment of he population will not be happy no matter the result. To act like the majority of the losing party will go and riot in the streets is asinine and makes no mathematical sense. For it to be a majority of Biden’s voters, that’d be over 25-30 million people. There are not that many causing chaos sorry.
 
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