2020 Presidential Election - Trump versus Biden

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They've made the decision to sacrifice their journalistic integrity in the pursuit of saving the nation from another term of Trump. They have bought into the resistance's argument that Trump is no different that a WW2 dictator. It's not just reporters, it's also their news directors and editors.
BINGO
 

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Tina won her election (handily) - check
Tina is not distancing herself from Biden - check
Large voter enthusiasm for her over JL - check
I wonder if anything is happening this year to get people out to vote? I don't know, like a presidential election, or something? - check

Tina beats Lewis.
Per my write up:
  • News flash: Tina has not won her election handly, voting runs through next Tuesday. Not sure why you'd say something so stupid, but that's you.
  • News flash: TIna is most definitely distancing herself from the Democrats. This was a huge pivot in her advertising. Her whole message right now is how she's not a lock-step Democrat and tries to work across the aisle with Republicans. She's gone from "all in with Biden and the Democratic Party" to "I work with Republicans".
  • News flash: JL has been getting much larger crowds and has a significantly larger ground game than Tina. Tina is barely coming out of hiding to campaign.
  • News flash: There isn't any significant down-ticket issue this year like there has been in the past.
  • News flash: All across the state, Democratic candidates are pivoting away from their party and towards the Republicans. Numerous Dem mayors are actively supporting Trump and Congressional candidates are running adverts that they're an independent voice, willing to vote against Pelosi and the Dems. Republicans are running adverts that show their opponents do vote lock-step with the Dems.
  • New flash: The best indicator of how the Presidential race is going in a state is what the current candidates are doing, and what they are doing is showing that MN is going to Trump.
 
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They've made the decision to sacrifice their journalistic integrity in the pursuit of saving the nation from another term of Trump. They have bought into the resistance's argument that Trump is no different that a WW2 dictator. It's not just reporters, it's also their news directors and editors.
True. Also....follow the money. Much of the media is owned by interests that are compromised to China for business reasons. The orders are coming from the top. Most journalists are lefties but they would not march off a cliff together like this were it not for the heads of these media giants demanding it. Biden is China's candidate. They have him in their pocket like no other candidate in the past. With him in office they are on their way to winning their war against us.
 

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Biden is China's candidate. They have him in their pocket like no other candidate in the past.
This is shockingly lost on a lot of people, plenty on this forum. Anything to reach the ultimate goal though, nothing is out of bounds,
 

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If you don't want the conservatives to be associated with white supremacy, then you don't get to put liberals with their extremists either. The percentages are not that different as far as extremes on both spectrums. That's the rhetoric that is dangerous and why we have such a division.
Not only are left actions more extreme, but also their culture.
Flag kneeling, defund police, tear down other institutions, destroy statues, rewrite history, remake the supreme court, free college, excessive immigration, sanctuary cities, demonizing ICE, choosing pronouns, campus ultra-activism, antifa, Drew Brees situation illustrative of radicalism of sports, doxxing, tech media bans on conservative media and even white house staffers. None of this would have been mainstream in the dem party even 5 years ago, but it is now.
 
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Florida polls today are Biden +4 and Biden +6. Tarflagger's going to have to step up to Trump +10 to offset.
 

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I Read an article that identified right wing attacks this year at 41 and left at 12 this year. Would guess all the mayhem and anarchy of this past summer is not taken into account. If the 30+ deaths and billion dollars of damage this summer stemmed from prolife rallies you would call that right extremism and I would agree with you. Left extremism a much bigger problem.
You keep changing the argument because you’re losing. It is a simple, provable fact: right-wing extremists have killed more people than their left-wing counterparts.
 

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You keep changing the argument because you’re losing. It is a simple, provable fact: right-wing extremists have killed more people than their left-wing counterparts.
Possibly true if you dont consider the riots. I do.
 

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The Oklahoma City bombing alone killed 168 people. How many people were killed in the riots this summer? Just take the L and move on, man.
How far back do you want to go? My point is what has happened during the Trump years. Left extremism more consequential both in violence and culture
 

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How far back do you want to go? My point is what has happened during the Trump years. Left extremism more consequential both in violence and culture
The racist that shot up the Wal-Mart in Texas killed more people than the total killed by "protests" this summer.
 

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The racist that shot up the Wal-Mart in Texas killed more people than the total killed by "protests" this summer.
We have seen left extremism played out on the streets, campuses, abd even at peoples' homes for the last three years. No comparison.

Certainly right extremism can be lethal. I just think it is pretty obvious that left extremism is much more widespread and powerful.
 
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We have seen left extremism played out on the streets, campuses, abd even at peoples' homes for the last three years. No comparison.
If you watch Fox News all of the time that is what you think. The realty is that the overwhelming majority of the country, including most college campuses, are virtually untouched by the stuff you describe.
 

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If you watch Fox News all of the time that is what you think. The realty is that the overwhelming majority of the country, including most college campuses, are virtually untouched by the stuff you describe.
Have you read about what is going on at Northwestern the last few days? A different topic, bur certainly is a problem at campuses when conservative speakers are scheduled to show up. At UM, professors and students can be dismissed for not using desired pronouns. No, campuses are centers of left wing activism inspired by left wing professors. At my job, we are in the process of undergoing 4 hours of diversity training from a social studies professor. Lot of fun to hear how racist is america and its white people.
 

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Not only are left actions more extreme, but also their culture.
Flag kneeling, defund police, tear down other institutions, destroy statues, rewrite history, remake the supreme court, free college, excessive immigration, sanctuary cities, demonizing ICE, choosing pronouns, campus ultra-activism, antifa, Drew Brees situation illustrative of radicalism of sports, doxxing, tech media bans on conservative media and even white house staffers. None of this would have been mainstream in the dem party even 5 years ago, but it is now.
How is that all of the left's culture? Is all the "right's" culture: racist, non educated, white, Christian, and bigoted?
 

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How is that all of the left's culture? Is all the "right's" culture: racist, non educated, white, Christian, and bigoted?
The debate is which side has changed the most. I gave examples that show how severely the left has changed in the last 5 years. You gave examples that in your mind describe the right since the beginning if I understand. The right hasnt changed. Whether that is good or bad is a separate argument.
 

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How is that all of the left's culture? Is all the "right's" culture: racist, non educated, white, Christian, and bigoted?
Those are the people that are driving the car for the Dems right now. Socialists and globalists. What has to happen for our society to go that direction? The society has to be broken down and rebuilt in their view. America must lose power to step into a "kinder" globalist view in their view. They are trying to transform by brute strength cancelling the opposition.

The people driving the car for the Rs are pro market economy, America first. The idea there is make America better by building a manufacturing economy again that is not fully dependent on China. We are not out to tear anything down but rather rebuild what we have and make it stronger. Thus in January of this year we had an economy where all boats rose. Blacks, whites, Hispanics all at record wages and employment. An economy that is naturally driven and opportunity rich.

Forget about all of the identity stuff. Both parties are melting pots. Think results.
 

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Broad brush much? Wow. Strong work
I agree it's broad brushed which was the point. I have many family members and friends who lean conservative and liberal and they don't fit under those agendas. It's harmful to assume that the extremes speak for the majority when it's not true.
 
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Those are the people that are driving the car for the Dems right now. Socialists and globalists. What has to happen for our society to go that direction? The society has to be broken down and rebuilt in their view. America must lose power to step into a "kinder" globalist view in their view. They are trying to transform by brute strength cancelling the opposition.

The people driving the car for the Rs are pro market economy, America first. The idea there is make America better by building a manufacturing economy again that is not fully dependent on China. We are not out to tear anything down but rather rebuild what we have and make it stronger. Thus in January of this year we had an economy where all boats rose. Blacks, whites, Hispanics all at record wages and employment. An economy that is naturally driven and opportunity rich.

Forget about all of the identity stuff. Both parties are melting pots. Think results.
Democrats literally elected the least far left and most conventional candidate contrary to everyone's belief. Yes I'm aware that he's a puppet who's strings are being pulled by the squad, Soros, and any other far left person of your choosing.

I guess I struggle to think either the D's or the R's are really that wonderful (like you described for one of them). They all sell a beautiful story: Dems sell equality and equity and rights of certain services, and Reps sell freedom, being pro business and worker. The fact is the duopoly only creates larger equity gaps between races and socioeconomic backgrounds. The divisive rhetoric and beliefs only allow them both to continue to do it. I apologize if that convo is for a different thread.
 

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Democrats literally elected the least far left and most conventional candidate contrary to everyone's belief. Yes I'm aware that he's a puppet who's strings are being pulled by the squad, Soros, and any other far left person of your choosing.

I guess I struggle to think either the D's or the R's are really that wonderful (like you described for one of them). They all sell a beautiful story: Dems sell equality and equity and rights of certain services, and Reps sell freedom, being pro business and worker. The fact is the duopoly only creates larger equity gaps between races and socioeconomic backgrounds. The divisive rhetoric and beliefs only allow them both to continue to do it. I apologize if that convo is for a different thread.
The candidate is old and frail and they know that they have full control of him. Listen to him. Listen to the left. He is all over the place on what he is going to do. Fracking will end, or it won't. Green new deal one day- the next it's not happening. He's going to lock down to stop covid- today he denies it. He's a weather vane who is trying to get elected so he can save his corrupt family's bacon. He would not last in the WH for more than a year. His running mate? Keep your eye on the ball. Kamala Harris is #100 the most left in the senate by voting record. Beat Bernie. He's jealous.

The funny thing about the R we are discussing- he actually delivered what he promised. The gap was narrowing. Again, black incomes were rising faster than any other sector in 2019. You are not going to solve the issues with more programs. We have had 55 years of Great Society and it turned out very badly for the black family which was about 90% intact in the 60's. What we need now is opportunity. Release the market mechanisms and build a fundamentally strong manufacturing base. That is something that will last.
 

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I agree it's broad brushed which was the point. I have many family members and friends who lean conservative and liberal and they don't fit under those agendas. It's harmful to assume that the extremes speak for the majority when it's not true.
Yes, he didn't get your original post and explaining it to him is a waste of time.
 
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