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I can't vote for either Sanders or Warren, and I'd rather die than vote for Trump. This might be the first presidential election in my lifetime that I sit on the sidelines.
Warren is doing a good job or riding left, and after the nomination she'll come back central.
I think she'd have a very good chance against Trump.
 

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I can't vote for either Sanders or Warren, and I'd rather die than vote for Trump. This might be the first presidential election in my lifetime that I sit on the sidelines.
Bravo dpo. I can respect that.

The Dems would be far better off nominating someone like Bennet, Bullock, or Amy if they were truly worried about unifying the country as they say.

Some have gone off the deep end b/c of Trump.
 

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The poll today is not good for Biden. However it is one poll and he was also declared "done" after the June debate. He will need to have a good debate in September and lower the foot-in-mouth frequency. Otherwise that wing of the party needs to pick a new horse. Pete or Booker or Castro or Amy.

I'd say Warren is the slight favorite at this moment. Her ideas are pretty far left. However, I think she's at least pragmatic enough to know that she will never get "Medicare for all" or a 70% tax rate through the Senate and compromise. I'm not sure Bernie is.
Castro? Which wing of the party do you think he represents? He has nothing in common with those others. A mayor of a small city is not winning a presidential election. Amy and Cory are not winning. You need someone else.

What evidence is there that Warren is pragmatic other than your hope? Bernie and Warren are the two I would be most worried about winning. Warren has so much baggage, and is so shrill, she's like the worst parts of Bernie and Hillary put together.
 

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Warren is doing a good job or riding left, and after the nomination she'll come back central.
I think she'd have a very good chance against Trump.
I think that’s wishful thinking FTF. I respect you’re optimism. But she’s a true believer in socialistic policy.

Xi Jinliz.
 
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Bravo dpo. I can respect that.

The Dems would be far better off nominating someone like Bennet, Bullock, or Amy if they were truly worried about unifying the country as they say.

Some have gone off the deep end b/c of Trump.
Yeah, I can respect DPOs position. Dems have a golden opportunity, but they are convinced that their hard core leftist ideas are mainstream, because they live in a bubble.
 

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Warren is doing a good job or riding left, and after the nomination she'll come back central.
I think she'd have a very good chance against Trump.
There are no roads back to the middle from where Warren is.
 

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This might be the first presidential election in my lifetime that I sit on the sidelines.
That's a vote for Trump, as you well know. People who did what you did (because Sanders didn't get the nomination) are the exact reason Trump won.

You're enabling a second Trump term. You should be disgusted with yourself. Any catastrophe that befalls this country (and the world, really) -- rising sea levels, horrible weather events, world wars -- is *YOUR* fault.
 
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Yeah, I can respect DPOs position. Dems have a golden opportunity, but they are convinced that their hard core leftist ideas are mainstream, because they live in a bubble.
I dont think the DNC itself believes that.
 

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Howie, you could vote for Joe Walsh. The reformed Republican really detests Trump.

Btw, Amy is toast. She doesn’t even have a chance for VP at this point. If Biden wins, and that’s a huge IF, he’s going to pick a major lefty.
Joe Walsh is a nut. Bill Weld is already running the primary. If he wins the GOP nomination and is running against Sanders or Warren, I'll vote for him.

Anyone who made the next debates is still alive. Does she have a good chance? No. But it's all about Iowa for her.
 

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That's a vote for Trump, as you well know. People who did what you did (because Sanders didn't get the nomination) are the exact reason Trump won.

You're enabling a second Trump term. You should be disgusted with yourself. Any catastrophe that befalls this country (and the world, really) -- rising sea levels, horrible weather events, world wars -- is *YOUR* fault.
You forgot famine and pestilence.
 

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Joe Walsh is a nut. Bill Weld is already running the primary. If he wins the GOP nomination and is running against Sanders or Warren, I'll vote for him.

Anyone who made the next debates is still alive. Does she have a good chance? No. But it's all about Iowa for her.
“If he wins the GOP nomination”? I’ll be surprised if Weld gets a few delegates.

Amy won’t be around for Iowa. But you’ll roll the dice with a Socialist.
 

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There are no roads back to the middle from where Warren is.
There's no road back to the middle for any of them in your book. But blind Trump lovers are not who need to be reached. At least she's actually a Democrat, unlike Bernie and has passed more than 2 bills in 40 years. That shows at least some sense of how to govern.
 

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“If he wins the GOP nomination”? I’ll be surprised if he gets a few delegates.

Amy won’t be around for Iowa. But you’ll roll the dice with a Socialist.
He won't unless Trump's dementia or heart disease takes him out. Even then it would probably be Pence. Ugh.

You'll call whoever the Dem nominee is a Socialist, so that means nothing.
 

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I can't vote for either Sanders or Warren, and I'd rather die than vote for Trump. This might be the first presidential election in my lifetime that I sit on the sidelines.
Best case scenario, the Dems might get 50 or 51 seats in the Senate. Neither Sanders or Warren are going to be able to get any of the things they are campaigning about passed. It's about basic governing competence, foreign policy and SCOTUS. On those counts, anyone is better than Trump. All that said, I don't think I can stomach voting for Bernie either.
 

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There's no road back to the middle for any of them in your book. But blind Trump lovers are not who need to be reached. At least she's actually a Democrat, unlike Bernie and has passed more than 2 bills in 40 years. That shows at least some sense of how to govern.
What's your book say about the Republican party? Mr Hypocrite.

yeah, she knows how to govern, the CFPB, one of the worst government agencies of all time.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realsp...is-plagued-by-internal-problems/#25afae471b30

Passing a bunch of crap that's a disaster is not proof that one knows how to govern. It's proof that one knows how to horse trade.
 

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There's no road back to the middle for any of them in your book. But blind Trump lovers are not who need to be reached. At least she's actually a Democrat, unlike Bernie and has passed more than 2 bills in 40 years. That shows at least some sense of how to govern.
Nobody in the Dem Party is getting behind the moderate Dems. The old Dem voters were going for Biden b/c he has some history and they thought he could beat Trump, but now they’re losing confidence b/c his mind is just functional. Barely for a political candidate.

But instead of going for Amy, Bullock, or Bennet, they’re going for the leftists.
 

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What's your book say about the Republican party? Mr Hypocrite.

yeah, she knows how to govern, the CFPB, one of the worst government agencies of all time.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realsp...is-plagued-by-internal-problems/#25afae471b30

Passing a bunch of crap that's a disaster is not proof that one knows how to govern. It's proof that one knows how to horse trade.
No doubt that she’d be writing executive orders to socialize the US as much as possible without legislative help.
 

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Best case scenario, the Dems might get 50 or 51 seats in the Senate. Neither Sanders are Warren are going to be able to get any of the things they are campaigning about passed. It's about basic governing competence, foreign policy and SCOTUS. On those counts, anyone is better than Trump. All that said, I don't think I can stomach voting for Bernie either.
Wait. We have a split congress, so no one can pass anything . So it's about foreign policy (Trump is no worse than Obama, except for Optics), governing competence (what a meaningless metric), and SCOTUS. I mean, you couldn't make a better case for Trump. He's nominated great judges. Most of the federal government is ineffective and runs on its own. Trump hasn't made a difference.
 

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No doubt that she’d be writing executive orders to socialize the US as much as possible without legislative help.
I really just do not believe the US is going to choose Liz Warren. The Democrats might I guess. The fake indian thing seems like a total non starter, and she's just so phony. The beer thing was just so contrived and forced. And she's just so whiny and shrill. Amy would be a million times better, but she's just kind of boring and also has a violent temper.
 

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Nobody in the Dem Party is getting behind the moderate Dems. The old Dem voters were going for Biden b/c he has some history and they thought he could beat Trump, but now they’re losing confidence b/c his mind is just functional. Barely for a political candidate.

But instead of going for Amy, Bullock, or Bennet, they’re going for the leftists.
Biden is still leading the RCP average by 10 points. Biden/Harris/Pete/Beto/Booker/Amy and Bullock combine for 48%. Sanders and Warren for 33%. You desperately want your narrative to be true, but it isn't. If Biden continues to fade, much of his support will go to others in that group. It's a question of whether they will rally around one candidate soon enough or let Warren/Bernie win a bunch of states with 25% of the vote.
 

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Funny how women candidates are always to "shrill" for the Fellas. It really bothers them. Incompetent rambling of a fool is OK. At least it's not shrill.
 

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You'll call whoever the Dem nominee is a Socialist, so that means nothing.
Unless it's one of those Dems that Ogee says is a chance to rally and unite the country.

You know, one of those Dems that votes against abortion, welfare, entitlements, the environment, and votes for cutting taxes for the wealthy, making it easier to buy guns, etc. One of those types of Dems.
 
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Best case scenario, the Dems might get 50 or 51 seats in the Senate. Neither Sanders or Warren are going to be able to get any of the things they are campaigning about passed. It's about basic governing competence, foreign policy and SCOTUS. On those counts, anyone is better than Trump. All that said, I don't think I can stomach voting for Bernie either.
Bernie doesn't have a chance, in this field, with Warren there. Versus Hillary was his best chance, and regardless if you believe the DNC sabotaged him or not, he didn't make it.

It's Biden, if he pulls through, or Warren, if he doesn't.


Both have their own set of warts, but both are absolutely acceptable compared to Trump.
 

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It's a question of whether they will rally around one candidate soon enough
Voters aren't capable of that. They lock in, and ride the train over the cliff with their candidate until the locomotive meets bedrock.

It's up to the candidates to step down, and unite the voters, or else hang on as long as possible and thus keep the voters divided as long as possible.
 

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Warren was coronated as the nominee four years ago when she agreed to not run against Hillary. It's her turn at the top. Kamala is the backup plan. Look at the people running those two campaigns, it's the Democratic machine from the Clinton and Obama days. Everyone else is running for publicity (e.g., Biden and Sanders), for a cabinet post or VP slot. Sanders is not going to win, just like Ron Paul wasn't allowed to win for the Republicans (or Rand Paul as well). The VP selection will come from whoever can pull in the most needed state. If dems think they can turn Texas red (and I don't see that happening in this election), then it's Castro or Beto. If they need to improve their odds in the midwest, then Klobuchar or Buttigieg are in line for the VP. And no, Michelle is not going to enter the race, but she'll be a very active campaigner for the nominee as there's publicity, influence, and money to be gained in the deal.
 

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Warren was coronated as the nominee four years ago when she agreed to not run against Hillary. It's her turn at the top.
Works for me.

There's still plenty of time for other candidates to show up, of course.

And yet, it is time for some folks to start getting their minds right, preparing for the possibility that it ends up being Warren. Doing whatever they need to do, in order to convince themselves that they're saving the country, and really the world, by doing what has to be done to make sure Trump doesn't get a second term!!
 

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Warren was coronated as the nominee four years ago when she agreed to not run against Hillary. It's her turn at the top. Kamala is the backup plan. Look at the people running those two campaigns, it's the Democratic machine from the Clinton and Obama days. Everyone else is running for publicity (e.g., Biden and Sanders), for a cabinet post or VP slot. Sanders is not going to win, just like Ron Paul wasn't allowed to win for the Republicans (or Rand Paul as well). The VP selection will come from whoever can pull in the most needed state. If dems think they can turn Texas red (and I don't see that happening in this election), then it's Castro or Beto. If they need to improve their odds in the midwest, then Klobuchar or Buttigieg are in line for the VP. And no, Michelle is not going to enter the race, but she'll be a very active campaigner for the nominee as there's publicity, influence, and money to be gained in the deal.
Please. There's no coronation. If there was, they could certainly twist the arms of some of the 20 to drop out. And Biden is running for publicity? What? That makes zero sense.
 
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