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There is almost no chance he will debate, no matter who the nominee is. They are trying to weekend at Bernie (npi) him through the election. We very well might get 3-4 years of Pence which is almost worse.
At least there won't be any dipshit Tweets.
 

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Yeah, I love the "top DNC shot-caller" reference. Where the hell does Costa Rican Gopher get his news?
If you hover over the link (don't click it), it shows that it was from Breitbart. He's just a slimeball hack
 

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It is the most politically provocative part of Senator Bernie Sanders’s campaign pitch: that his progressive movement will bring millions of nonvoters into the November election, driving record turnout especially among disaffected working-class Americans and young people.

And yet despite a virtual tie in Iowa, a narrow victory in New Hampshire and a big triumph in Nevada, the first three nominating contests reveal a fundamental challenge for Mr. Sanders’s political revolution: He may be winning, but not because of his longstanding pledge to expand the Democratic base.

The results so far show that Mr. Sanders has prevailed by broadening his appeal among traditional Democratic voters, not by fundamentally transforming the electorate.

In Iowa, for instance, turnout for the caucuses was lower than expected, up 3 percent compared with 2016, and the increase was concentrated in more well-educated areas where Mr. Sanders struggled, according to a New York Times analysis; in the Iowa precincts where Mr. Sanders won, turnout increased by only 1 percentage point.

There was no sign of a Sanders voter surge in New Hampshire either, nor on Saturday in Nevada, where the nearly final results indicated that turnout would finish above 2016 but well short of 2008 levels, despite a decade of population growth and a new early voting option that attracted some 75,000 voters. The low numbers are all the more striking given the huge turnout in the 2018 midterm elections, which was the highest in a century.

There was also no clear evidence across the early states of much greater participation by young people, a typically low-turnout group that makes up a core part of Mr. Sanders’s base and that he has long said he can motivate to get out to the polls.
And Mr. Sanders has struggled to overcome his longstanding weakness in affluent, well-educated suburbs, where Democrats excelled in the midterm elections and where many traditionally Republican voters are skeptical about President Trump’s performance, meaning they could be up for grabs in November.

Because the moderate wing opposing Mr. Sanders, a Vermont liberal, is so fragmented, the lower-than-hoped-for turnout has not slowed his ascent. Sanders aides point to the simple fact that he has won, finishing atop all three states with a coalition of young people, working-class voters and people of color — which was crucial to his victory in Nevada. And they say it is still early.

But many Democrats believe that for a general election, their nominee will need to pull in new voters, including those who sat out 2016 and moderate Republicans repelled by Mr. Trump. Even some inside the Sanders campaign expressed concern about the race’s initial turnout.

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It's all a fake news mirage. Dem voters aren't turning out. And if Bernie really looks like the best option, people will give up now.

Bernie Sanders as the nominee is the biggest disaster the Democrats can have in decades. It's a guaranteed Trump victory.


I give it until Super Tuesday for them to unf__k this.

If not, then I'm done with the Dems for 2020. 3rd party it will be.
 

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“That is such a creepy thing to say,” said Oliver. “No one is hoping Mike Bloomberg will take them to the prom.” He then backpedaled and said that maybe the comparison is valid considering he, like many prom attendees, is painfully awkward, looks uncomfortable in a suit and has “big virgin energy”.

Oliver said that even if Bloomberg doesn’t become the candidate, he will not go away. He spent over $400 million on mostly ads in the last few months. Google and Facebook have served up 2 billion Bloomberg ads which, when broken down, works out to 30,000 a minute.
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Oliver then gets into Bloomberg’s wildly “appalling” history of stop-and-frisk during his time as Mayor of New York. The policy empowered police officers to stop and frisk anyone they thought were suspicious of criminal activity. When Bloomberg was mayor, there were 5 million stops and in 2011 alone there were 70,000 — and that is in a city of over 8 million people. Of course, this affected certain communities the most.
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He then pointed out, “This policy was appalling and fell disproportionately on Black and Latino New Yorkers.” They were the target of over 80% of the stops at its peak. Oliver then showed a radio interview where Bloomberg had no regret for these stats and claimed that cops stopped whites too much and minorities too little.

Despite him claiming the policy made the city safer, crime dropped even after the policy was curtailed, proving that “Stop-and-Frisk” was harmful and unnecessary.

He only recently apologized for the harm it has done — and that was just days before he launched his presidential campaign. “As soon as he had something to gain for apologizing, he did it like a man… begrudgingly and once.”

Oliver added, “It is amazing that Bloomberg thinks that his money can make people forget about this, but hopefully the more people talk about him now, the more they’ll discover how unpalatable he is.”

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Hard no on Bloomberg, too. Another old white man, and a gross one at that.

Not hard to see why turn out is low. People will, correctly, give up if we can't do better than Sanders and Bloomberg.
 

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If you hover over the link (don't click it), it shows that it was from Breitbart. He's just a slimeball hack
Yes, I know what Breitbart is. I never went to the site nor did I ever actually know anyone who read it. That little passage of conspiracy theory illustrates the low state of their knowledge and journalistic standards though. They don't appear to know much about Dick Morris and, apparently, they are unaware of the fact that the Democratic party hasn't re-nominated a presidential loser since Adlai Stevenson in 1956. That one was opposing Eisenhower's re-election and probably very few Democrats were willing to go through the motions just to be a sacrificial lamb.
 

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I'm looking forward to the Biden Trump or Bernie Trump debates sponsored by Geritol.
 

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I guess you did your own research and edited your post, so I'll go easy on you. he didn't try "some" government activism. What he tried was unprecedented in American history. That it was an abject failure and you didn't know about it is because of who is feeding you/the nation their narratives on the topic and what their desires and goals are.
Laissez Faire was the US policy until 1929. It wasn't something Hoover invented. It was something he destroyed. If you want Laissez Faire, look at Coolidge, and look at his results.

Hoover's campaign speech in 1932:
"We might have done nothing. That would have been utter ruin. Instead we met the situation with proposals to private business and to Congress of the most gigantic program of economic defense and counterattack ever evolved in the history of the Republic. We put it into action…. No government in Washington has hitherto considered that it held so broad a responsibility for leadership in such times…. For the first time in the history of depression, dividends, profits, and the cost of living, have been reduced before wages have suffered…. They were maintained until the cost of living had decreased and the profits had practically vanished. They are now the highest real wages in the world.

Creating new jobs and giving to the whole system a new breath of life; nothing has ever been devised in our history which has done more for … "the common run of men and women." Some of the reactionary economists urged that we should allow the liquidation to take its course until we had found bottom…. We determined that we would not follow the advice of the bitter-end liquidationists and see the whole body of debtors of the United States brought to bankruptcy and the savings of our people brought to destruction."

Sanders proposals are paper thin. Tax the rich. Ban fracking. Nationalize industries. Free healthcare, free universities. The problems we have today would be made many multiples worse by Bernie's proposals. They would have devastating effects on the standard of living of middle class Americans.
That's all well and good, but the original point is more interesting: the striking resemblance between Reagan in 1980 and Sanders in 2020. I'm old enough to remember that Reagan was not favored by the party establishment, who wanted the more moderate Bush. I'm sure there were some people then who were predicting what some are saying about Bernie now: that if he's nominated he'll bring down the party. Interesting how cyclical history is.
 

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Everyone is crying for Amy and Warren to drop out and get behind Biden, but woof. He can't go on like this. There's no sense in anyone dropping out before Super Tuesday since probably half that vote is already in. But after that Obama needs to have a come to Jesus meeting with the non-Bernie people and then endorse someone and tell the rest to step aside. And it should really be Amy or Pete.
 

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Bad's account got hacked somewhere around the time of the last election. There can't be much of a question about that at this point, with the only other alternative being easily the most extreme case of TDS anyone on the board has ever seen. 100% reason and logic completely out the door, from a poster that had for years provided really good input and perspective.

Stocker is not far behind, but he has the excuse of being young and dumb, which won't last forever (well, at least one of those traits won't)
You're coming off as a drama queen. I think you know that I've stayed in one spot while the rest of the country--you in particular-- have gone completely off the deep end. You know that, which is why you feel the need to project like this.

Anybody who doesn't react with alarm to an alarming situation is a brain dead idiot.
 

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That's all well and good, but the original point is more interesting: the striking resemblance between Reagan in 1980 and Sanders in 2020. I'm old enough to remember that Reagan was not favored by the party establishment, who wanted the more moderate Bush. I'm sure there were some people then who were predicting what some are saying about Bernie now: that if he's nominated he'll bring down the party. Interesting how cyclical history is.
If you know enough about history, you can find loose parallels to a lot of things.
Bernie vs Trump would either be:

Reagan vs Carter

or

McGovern vs Nixon
 

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That's all well and good, but the original point is more interesting: the striking resemblance between Reagan in 1980 and Sanders in 2020. I'm old enough to remember that Reagan was not favored by the party establishment, who wanted the more moderate Bush. I'm sure there were some people then who were predicting what some are saying about Bernie now: that if he's nominated he'll bring down the party. Interesting how cyclical history is.
It's not well and good. Your understanding of history was precisely the opposite of the truth. That's a big deal. And it's not your fault. That's what you've been taught. There's a critical lesson there for an open minded person, which you are not. Brushed aside and ignored.

Reagan was absolutely an outsider and considered extreme. That's the only parallel. The values he was touting were American values. He was selling a restorative message.
Bernie is touting Anti-American values. He is selling a revolutionary message. God help us all if he doesn't bring down his party.
 

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Bernie’s refusal to back track on his comments about the good things of Cuba’s socialism may be the tactical error that costs him the nomination. If it doesn’t, it tells us all we need to know about the Democrat Party.
 

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It's not well and good. Your understanding of history was precisely the opposite of the truth. That's a big deal. And it's not your fault. That's what you've been taught. There's a critical lesson there for an open minded person, which you are not. Brushed aside and ignored.

Reagan was absolutely an outsider and considered extreme. That's the only parallel. The values he was touting were American values. He was selling a restorative message.
Bernie is touting Anti-American values. He is selling a revolutionary message. God help us all if he doesn't bring down his party.
First paragraph: good fodder for its own thread. I like history.

Second paragraph: your ideological rigidity makes you sound more ignorant than I think you are. Things like public education, public infrastructure, public libraries, women's suffrage, civil rights...the list is endless the number of things that someone like you would say is unamerican. Where's it in the constitution what's American and unamerican? Serious question. You don't have the right to decide that for the whole country. That's why we vote.

Reagan arguably did the most unamerican thing in US history (aided and abetted by Congress): ran mammoth deficits that neither he or anyone ever had a plan or intention to pay down. Nobody had ever done that before.
 
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I think Amy Klobuchar and Joe Biden could beat Trump. The others, doubtful.
 

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Sanders may still turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread and the best candidate to face the Great Accident in the Oval. But maybe not. Maybe we need to see if he has a glass jaw when hit with a negative ad. Maybe he needs a thorough vetting to see what kind of attacks could come his way this fall. It would be malpractice on the part of voters not to give him one.

And I would like to see how he’d do when it was him against a single opponent — whether it be Elizabeth Warren, Joe Biden, Pete Buttigieg or Amy Klobuchar.

Long primary battles can create division, no doubt. But it also creates better, tougher, wiser candidates for the general.

So let the race continue for a while. Let more Americans have a say in who should face Donald Trump.

Personally, I think we owe that to those babies who are still in cages.

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Its a pity Klobuchar is fading. She'd be my number 1 pick of the Dems, and likely to beat Trump.
She's moderate, very intelligent and articulate, and won't scare away as many voters as branded socialist Sanders.
 

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Bernie’s refusal to back track on his comments about the good things of Cuba’s socialism may be the tactical error that costs him the nomination. If it doesn’t, it tells us all we need to know about the Democrat Party.
I don't like Bernie, but I think this particular attack is more indicative of the stupid binary thinking that infects our society today. It would be pretty remarkable if an authoritarian leader, even an odious one, who ruled a country for decades didn't manage to accomplish something of value. OK, so Castro's regime managed to increase literacy. Accepting that shouldn't indicate that someone is accepting and forgiving all of the negatives. The reverse is also true. Abraham Lincoln is revered as one of America's greatest presidents and he fought the war that ended slavery. But, that war resulted in almost as many military deaths as all other American wars combined and resulted in far more internal destruction than all other wars combined. I suspect the citizens of Atlanta in 1864 weren't enamored with Lincoln's greatness after General Sherman's visit to their city.

I don't think this particular remark should be a problem. I think the problem here is that Bernie has shown some affection for multiple Communist regimes in the past and this latest remark is just another reminder of that. As far as what his remark says about the Democratic party, it says nothing. Bernie isn't even a Democrat.
 
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Its a pity Klobuchar is fading. She'd be my number 1 pick of the Dems, and likely to beat Trump.
She's moderate, very intelligent and articulate, and won't scare away as many voters as branded socialist Sanders.
And your party is overwhelmingly rejecting her for a communist/socialist, a socialist, a dementia-riddled multiple time presidential loser, and an over-rated, inexperienced, platitude spewing small time mayor.
 
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I don't like Bernie, but I think this particular attack is more indicative of the stupid binary thinking that infects our society today. It would be pretty remarkable if an authoritarian leader, even an odious one, who ruled a country for decades didn't manage to accomplish something of value. OK, so Castro's regime managed to increase literacy. Accepting that shouldn't indicate that someone is accepting and forgiving all of the negatives. The reverse is also true. Abraham Lincoln is revered as one of America's greatest presidents and he fought the war that ended slavery. But, that war resulted in almost as many military deaths as all other American wars combined and resulted in far more internal destruction than all other wars combined. I suspect the citizens of Atlanta in 1864 weren't enamored with Lincoln's greatness after General Sherman's visit to their city.

I don't think this particular remark should be a problem. I think the problem here is that Bernie has shown some affection for multiple Communist regimes in the past and this latest remark is just another reminder of that. As far as what his remark says about the Democratic party, it says nothing. Bernie isn't even a Democrat.
He’s justifying, rationalizing, and proselytizing a philosophy of TOTAL government control. There is nothing good about that.
 

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I think Amy Klobuchar and Joe Biden could beat Trump. The others, doubtful.
You are punch drunk from Trump landing so many blows on you. Not one in the whole group that can stop this landslide.
 

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It’s no secret why the lefty posters here are avoiding talking about last night’s debate. It was a hot mess. Total clown show.
 

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Eighty percent probability that Bern takes the Dem party down with him in flames. Twenty percent chance he rolls through trump and McConnell. Young Latinos love the guy and maybe that puts Texas in play. Bern has been the same for fifty years and there's a chance his authenticity resonates after three years of unrepentant bullish&t.
It will be interesting to see if Bern is nice to Mike during the balance of the primary campaign. If Mike decides to throw $500M into the general election, that might change things.

Medicare for all is a stupid idea but people love three word slogans. Who knows...
No, no, no, I've been assured repeatedly that the DNC and CNN are stealing the nomination from Sanders. Don't worry.
 

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No, no, no, I've been assured repeatedly that the DNC and CNN are stealing the nomination from Sanders. Don't worry.
Why would you be surprised? The DNC and CNN fail at everything.

They’ve been trying to get Trump for over 3 years.
 

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It’s no secret why the lefty posters here are avoiding talking about last night’s debate. It was a hot mess. Total clown show.
There was a debate last night? Didn't we just have one? I worked on a jigsaw puzzle last night while my children watched Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.
 

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Guess who didn’t watch one moment of the debate last night??

THIIIISSSSSS GUYYYYYYYY
 
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