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Not that I've been paying that close attention, but really surprised to see Pete take the lead. Maybe people really are looking for a fresh-faced outsider. A Buttigieg/Klobuchar ticket could be fun.
Not sure what the total is with the new caucus totals, but Sanders had more individual votes in a popular vote format in the last update.

I’m surprised that the Democrat candidates aren’t calling for an end to caucus. I thought they were all about a pure democracy?
 

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Not that I've been paying that close attention, but really surprised to see Pete take the lead. Maybe people really are looking for a fresh-faced outsider. A Buttigieg/Klobuchar ticket could be fun.
Maybe the DNC manufactured this mess to boost one of a maleable, corporate candidate like Pete, while simultaneously downplaying Bernie's massive popularity? Coincidence perhaps, but it certainly checks off the boxes on the DNC wish-list. The fact that Pete donated all that money to the development of the app that crashed & then miraculously has him winning, is also worth a bit of healthy skepticism.
 

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Not sure what the total is with the new caucus totals, but Sanders had more individual votes in a popular vote format in the last update.

I’m surprised that the Democrat candidates aren’t calling for an end to caucus. I thought they were all about a pure democracy?
They'll calling for an end of the IOWA caucus, claiming it's too White & doesn't represent their party. Between this & promising to take away all union health care plans, these D's really know how to win back the blue collar, Midwestern voters.
 

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Not that I've been paying that close attention, but really surprised to see Pete take the lead. Maybe people really are looking for a fresh-faced outsider. A Buttigieg/Klobuchar ticket could be fun.
Or maybe Iowa (and New Hampshire) are whiter than Twin Cities exurbs, and so Pete’s single digit (maybe?) polling with blacks hasn’t had a chance to be exposed yet/
 

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Not that I've been paying that close attention, but really surprised to see Pete take the lead. Maybe people really are looking for a fresh-faced outsider. A Buttigieg/Klobuchar ticket could be fun.
No chance of that. I don't see the African American block turning out for that. Klobuchar/Booker would be good. Klobuchar/Biden would be OK. Pete will have to someone like Kamla or Stacy Abrams.
 

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Not sure what the total is with the new caucus totals, but Sanders had more individual votes in a popular vote format in the last update.

I’m surprised that the Democrat candidates aren’t calling for an end to caucus. I thought they were all about a pure democracy?
Bernie demanded they keep the caucus. Which makes the whining of all the Bernie Bros that much richer.
 

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Bernie fans are getting angrier by the day at the Dem establishment. If Bernie doesn't get the nom, it will be tough to get them to turn out in November. It's a beautiful thing.
 

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Bernie, BERNIE, BERNIE! Chanting. One little old problem: he probably can't beat Trump. I'd vote for him but Trump is already calling him not only a socialist but a communist. Thats heavy baggage.
 

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Sanders has more votes, but is slightly behind Buttigieg with 97% in the Iowa Caucus. If Buttigieg had any integrity, he‘d call for the electoral college...I mean the Iowa Caucuses to be eliminated. After all, Sanders won, right?


 

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The DNC knows that a Weekend candidacy will brand them as the Communist Party. Weekend is indeed a communist. He doesn't truthfully deny it. However, a Socialist branding doesn't offend them. The smart Dems know they can not beat Trump barring an unexpected event, even to them. They just do not want the long term damage. Their only hope can be to hold the House and that is a very long shot. In any case the Judicuary will be conservative for a very long time. Decades.
 

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...which was about 30% less than 2008.:confused:
Ah, yes, the classic data analysis approach of judging versus the massive outlier. Always useful.

Overall Democratic primary turnout by year (% of voters):

2000: 8.4%
2004: 9.9%
2008: 19.5%
2016: 14.4%


Obviously the only logical way to look at that data is to conclude that being down from 2008 is catastrophic.
 

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Ah, yes, the classic data analysis approach of judging versus the massive outlier. Always useful.

Overall Democratic primary turnout by year (% of voters):

2000: 8.4%
2004: 9.9%
2008: 19.5%
2016: 14.4%


Obviously the only logical way to look at that data is to conclude that being down from 2008 is catastrophic.
Oh I see. So now you are saying that it is hard to improve once a certain level is hit. HMMM. That is not the logic you use when you are talking about economic growth. :)
 

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Oh I see. So now you are saying that it is hard to improve once a certain level is hit. HMMM. That is not the logic you use when you are talking about economic growth. :)
No, I'm saying that comparing to outliers doesn't make trends. Here's an example.

THE TRADE DEFICIT IS HORRIBLE! IT WENT UP 12% LAST MONTH!

 

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No, I'm saying that comparing to outliers doesn't make trends. Here's an example.

THE TRADE DEFICIT IS HORRIBLE! IT WENT UP 12% LAST MONTH!

WE ARE EXPERIENCING RUNAWAY INFLATION! IT'S UP 70 BASIS POINTS SINCE JUNE!

 

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You all know that I'm all in on Warren--that I think she's the best Democrat presidential candidate of my lifetime, and I'm 53. That said, Sanders would wipe the floor with Trump. As I've said earlier in this thread, the primary election comes down to rhetoric, articulation, oratory, inspiration. If Bernie is allowed to be Bernie--i.e. plainspoken and frequently pointed--he'll run away with this thing. In the sports analogy, it's a bad matchup for Trump: two northeasterners, and only one of them has wit and intelligence.
 

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There is simply no one better than JTF at framing things. It's amazing to watch. I don't really care if it's up or down, I have no frame of reference. What I do know is that Democratic insiders were disappointed with the turnout and that's really all that matters.
 

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You all know that I'm all in on Warren--that I think she's the best Democrat presidential candidate of my lifetime, and I'm 53. That said, Sanders would wipe the floor with Trump. As I've said earlier in this thread, the primary election comes down to rhetoric, articulation, oratory, inspiration. If Bernie is allowed to be Bernie--i.e. plainspoken and frequently pointed--he'll run away with this thing. In the sports analogy, it's a bad matchup for Trump: two northeasterners, and only one of them has wit and intelligence.
The positives of Bernie: He's unafraid to say what he thinks.
The negatives: He speaks in crazy generalities about things he'd like to happen, and has no idea how to make them happen. He's never really been challenged. He's run for the Dem nomination, but no one is really going to take him on, they don't want to upset the left flank. What's going to happen when NONE of the establishment want him, and view Trump as the lesser evil?

Trump is really a unicorn. The RNC didn't want him. The establishment didn't want him. But he was a tv star, and the MSM gave him a gigantic platform for his message because they wanted to serve him up to assure a Hillary victory. I don't think Bernie can repeat the strategy, but purely from entertainment, the debates will be lit.
 

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The positives of Bernie: He's unafraid to say what he thinks.
The negatives: He speaks in crazy generalities about things he'd like to happen, and has no idea how to make them happen.
He's never really been challenged. He's run for the Dem nomination, but no one is really going to take him on, they don't want to upset the left flank. What's going to happen when NONE of the establishment want him, and view Trump as the lesser evil?

Trump is really a unicorn. The RNC didn't want him. The establishment didn't want him. But he was a tv star, and the MSM gave him a gigantic platform for his message because they wanted to serve him up to assure a Hillary victory. I don't think Bernie can repeat the strategy, but purely from entertainment, the debates will be lit.
Good and fair analysis, but I know you realize that the same was and is true of Trump and to an even greater extent. His boasting of his business "success" covers for his insecurities, among other things his knowledge that half his success is inhereted and the other half is illegality.

Warren's platform is detailed and meaty, while Sanders' is less so, to be sure. My original point, though, is that his ability to communicate big ideas lends itself well to a primary campaign and election.
 

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Good and fair analysis, but I know you realize that the same was and is true of Trump and to an even greater extent. His boasting of his business "success" covers for his insecurities, among other things his knowledge that half his success is inhereted and the other half is illegality.

Warren's platform is detailed and meaty, while Sanders' is less so, to be sure. My original point, though, is that his ability to communicate big ideas lends itself well to a primary campaign and election.
It is true of Trump. Everything was so simple, just need someone in place with the desire for it to happen. Untrue that half his success is inherited and half illegal. Completely false.

Warren's plan is detailed, but all over the place and changes all the time. she's a weak candidate and leader. Her handling of the native american scandal is the same as Hillary with the emails. It's still not put to bed and if she won the nomination it would grow louder. I think she's done.
 

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He speaks in crazy generalities about things he'd like to happen, and has no idea how to make them happen.
Who does that remind me of?????

“If only we could just abolish government! We’d have utopia!! How do we make that happen??”
 

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It is true of Trump. Everything was so simple, just need someone in place with the desire for it to happen. Untrue that half his success is inherited and half illegal. Completely false.

Warren's plan is detailed, but all over the place and changes all the time. she's a weak candidate and leader. Her handling of the native american scandal is the same as Hillary with the emails. It's still not put to bed and if she won the nomination it would grow louder. I think she's done.
Just plain difficult to respect anyone that would lie about ethnicity and heritage, minority status, in order to get free or cheap college tuition, among other things. Also tough to take her seriously with the frothing at the mouth yelling, constantly angry delivery with people.
 
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