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Democrats are in a bind. Choose Warren and they lose their big money Wall St. support. Choose Bernie and run a guy who openly tells the middle class that their taxes are going up to pay for anything and everything, citizen or not. Choose Joe and run a guy bordering on senility. Choose Pete and risk losing a huge chunk of their identity politics voting bloc. They know they are in deep trouble and thus the frenzy to get Trump out by any means necessary prior to the election. Barring some smoking gun on Orangey, I can't see any scenario in which any of the above defeat him in an election.
Any scenario? The R's have won the popular vote once since 1988. All three of their EC wins since then have been by either a single state (FL in 2000, Ohio 2004), or a string of less than 1% wins in 2016. Trump's approval is stuck in the -10's despite a strong economy.

Do all of the Dem candidates have flaws? Yes. Can Trump win? Yes. But "I can't envision any scenario where he loses" is beyond over the top.
 

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Trump is likely to lose whoever the democratic candidate is.

I fear it will be senile Biden.
 

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In California, 70% of African Americans voted for Prop 8 (Defense of Marriage , anti-Gay marriage).

Nationwide, over 50% of African Americans are opposed to Gay marriage.

Wasn't an issue in 2016, might be in 2020.
On this issue, Prop 8 might as well have happened 50 years ago.

The experts all say older African American voters are pragmatic. They will back whoever they think can beat Trump. Currently, that's Biden. If they think Pete can win, will they not vote for him because he's gay? I guess we'd find out. He won't win the primary in the 1st place if they won't. I do think Harris is the most likely Biden alternative.
 

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Trump is likely to lose whoever the democratic candidate is.

I fear it will be senile Biden.
If he wins the primary but steps down before the convention who do they nominate? His running mate? Whoever finished 2nd? That would likely be Liz/Bernie. Ugh.
 

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Please. If it didn't work for Steyer, it's not working for Bloomberg.
Yeah, that’s not the point I’m making. My point was that he may be getting in the race.

A recent poll expressed little interest in voting for him if he got in, so I don’t think it changes anything.

But it’s apparent that there’s unsettling with the current field and the leader, low on campaign cash and excitement vs. the socialists and other handicapped.
 

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Yeah, that’s not the point I’m making. My point was that he may be getting in the race.

A recent poll expressed little interest in voting for him if he got in, so I don’t think it changes anything.

But it’s apparent that there’s unsettling with the current field and the leader, low on campaign cash and excitement vs. the socialists and other handicapped.
I agree with the idea that if Bloomberg wants to make an impact, pick a moderate candidate (Pete, Amy, Harris, Booker) and put big $$ behind them.
 

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^^^

Silly narrative based on a purposeful mis-reading, in my opinion.

Correct reading: she thinks it's pretty obvious who is going to win, based on who is saying what and what the polling numbers are, so far. And I guess she thinks it's going to be Biden. We will see.
 

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There’s rumblings of Eric Holder getting in.

Go ahead...join the clusterf*ck.

Rich Lowry, of Nation Review, thinks Blumberg (if he gets in) will hurt Buttigieg b/c they both appeal to white, college educated, upper income, lmoderates. And he has the money to stay in for a long time.
 

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Deval Patrick thinking about getting in.

What a clown show.

Other Dems don’t think enough of this candidate field, so they have thoughts of getting in.

On a side note, it looks like Pocahontas has hit her ceiling until Bernie drops out. Her crazy Medicare for All plan and unelectability has help Biden stay afloat...for now.
 

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Deval Patrick thinking about getting in.

What a clown show.

Other Dems don’t think enough of this candidate field, so they have thoughts of getting in.

On a side note, it looks like Pocahontas has hit her ceiling until Bernie drops out. Her crazy Medicare for All plan and unelectability has help Biden stay afloat...for now.
He's no Frothy Santorum or Jim Gilmore, but who is?
 

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He's no Frothy Santorum or Jim Gilmore, but who is?
Former governor of Massachusetts. I thought you admired former governors of Massachusetts? You seemed to think so much of Bill Weld.

Btw, Amy the Grouch has lashed out against Mayor Pete. Says he doesn’t have the experience and electoral success that she’s had. Says he’s being favored b/c he’s a man. I’d say it has more to do with him being a gay man than just being a man.
 

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It's time for Michelle Obama and Oprah to draw straws. Loser has to run.
 

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Former governor of Massachusetts. I thought you admired former governors of Massachusetts? You seemed to think so much of Bill Weld.

Btw, Amy the Grouch has lashed out against Mayor Pete. Says he doesn’t have the experience and electoral success that she’s had. Says he’s being favored b/c he’s a man. I’d say it has more to do with him being a gay man than just being a man.
Howie knows this field is filled with losers. Everyone does. It's got to be a depressing feeling. You've got to hope 20 Republican Senators defect and vote to impeach Trump. Not very refreshing.
 

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Howie knows this field is filled with losers. Everyone does. It's got to be a depressing feeling. You've got to hope 20 Republican Senators defect and vote to impeach Trump. Not very refreshing.
Section2 also knows that his guy is the most corrupt and easily the most junior-high-like president since Nixon (WJC's sex drive notwithstanding). Interesting that Section2 pays a lot more attention to the nebulous opponent to that "man" rather than to the giant pus-oozing $hitshow he defends daily.
 

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Section2 also knows that his guy is the most corrupt and easily the most junior-high-like president since Nixon (WJC's sex drive notwithstanding). Interesting that Section2 pays a lot more attention to the nebulous opponent to that "man" rather than to the giant pus-oozing $hitshow he defends daily.
Most corrupt, no, I don't think so. yes, easily most junior high of all time. I can and do defend maybe 20% of what Trump does. Hardly daily. I think you are blind to all of the non Trump corruption. You're just blindly following the media narrative at all times. Reality just doesn't line up for me.
 

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Most corrupt, no, I don't think so. yes, easily most junior high of all time. I can and do defend maybe 20% of what Trump does. Hardly daily. I think you are blind to all of the non Trump corruption. You're just blindly following the media narrative at all times. Reality just doesn't line up for me.
Yep. That's me. Media parrot. You really nailed me, Section2. :confused:

p.s. #yabut
 

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There are several candidates who would be fine. But they are either getting no traction and/or shooting themselves in the foot. Amy attacks Pete when many of their supporters overlap. Dumb. Pete attacks Obama. Also dumb. So we probably get Grandpa Joe by default.
 

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I think for the Progressive Democrats, the candidate matters. But, for a lot of the more traditional or moderate Democrats, it doesn't matter who the candidate is. they see the election as a referendum on Trump, and they will vote for anyone who is not Trump. If Elmer Fudd was on the ballot with a D after his name, they would vote for Elmer Fudd.

(hewwo. my name is elmer Fudd and I am wunning for pwesident....)

but, for the Progressives, if "their" candidate is not on the ballot, I could see some of the more hard-core Warren or Bernie supporters going 3rd-party or sitting it out. the Progressives, I'm afraid, would rather be "right" than win the election.
 

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^^^ True in 2016, not in 2020.

They care now, because they’d like their specific person to get the nomination. But they’d vote for Bloomberg over Trump, frankly.
 

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Yep. That's me. Media parrot. You really nailed me, Section2. :confused:

p.s. #yabut
where's the yabut? I conceded some of point one, and all of point two. do you really think the #1 thing that angers everyone about Trump is his tweets? Or his "jr high" personality? You think that's causing the rage? I don't.
 

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^^^ True in 2016, not in 2020.

They care now, because they’d like their specific person to get the nomination. But they’d vote for Bloomberg over Trump, frankly.
For the true radicals, if they're smart, they'd rather have Trump win. He's a better recruiter for them. It's like if you owned a gun company, Obama was a dream.
 

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For the true radicals, if they're smart, they'd rather have Trump win. He's a better recruiter for them. It's like if you owned a gun company, Obama was a dream.
True dat! Nobody in this country ever sold more guns than Obama. Hillary would have been a close second.
 

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where's the yabut? I conceded some of point one, and all of point two. do you really think the #1 thing that angers everyone about Trump is his tweets? Or his "jr high" personality? You think that's causing the rage? I don't.
You conceded to a person who has a checker board with a keyboard?
 

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In California, 70% of African Americans voted for Prop 8 (Defense of Marriage , anti-Gay marriage).

Nationwide, over 50% of African Americans are opposed to Gay marriage.

Wasn't an issue in 2016, might be in 2020.
So that’s what you’ve got on Pete? He’s gay. That’s it? Talk about a nothing-burger deluxe, with extra pickle.


Being gay in America is as innocuous as being German.


The gays won. Some time ago. Bigots had to shift their vileness to trans and bathrooms.
 

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Can you believe this was the person Howie worshipped and licked the boots of viscerally, and who he wanted to become president? Give me a break!

 
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