US to pull out of Syria + Turkey to invade Syria?

Costa Rican Gopher

Mind of a Scientist
Trump tweeted that he intends to pull us out of Syria, that Turkey intends to invade Northern Syria & that the UN/Europe/Turkey/Syria are on their own to sort out their mess.

Good, or bad?
 

John Galt

Active member
The war mongering, globalist D's will want the troops that Obama put in Syria to remain there.

It's a good move by Trump to pull them out.

Did I get that right, Khalid?
 

Cruze

Active member
You're all wrong. America can pull the troops out of Syria and protect our allies the Kurds there at the same time. Here's one way to do it:


Trump threatens to 'obliterate' Turkey's economy if they do anything 'off limits' with ISIS

President Donald Trump threatened to "obliterate" Turkey's economy if the country does anything he considers to be off limits pertaining to ISIS, as the country prepares to execute an operation without US support in northern Syria.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/donald-trump-syria-obliterate-turkey-isis/index.html
 
No student of international issues - but I thought the Kurds in Northern Syria were US allies - helping us fight ISIS.

And now, apparently, we are going to just walk away so Turkey can cross the border and wipe out the Kurds.

One can argue that the US should never have been there in the first place - but when is it OK to just tell a group of people who fought on our behalf that, "oh, by the way, we're taking off and hanging you out to dry. If Turkey attacks, we're not going to help."

and, it sends a signal to other countries that the US will abandon its friends during a time of need.

And - once again Trump is seemingly doing what a 'strong-man' leader of another country (Turkey) wants.

----update - just now heard a state department spokesman on the radio claiming that the US is not abandoning the Kurds - that it's just a small tactical pull-back in troops. so maybe someone is walking back on Trump's statement?
 

howeda7

Active member
No student of international issues - but I thought the Kurds in Northern Syria were US allies - helping us fight ISIS.

And now, apparently, we are going to just walk away so Turkey can cross the border and wipe out the Kurds.


One can argue that the US should never have been there in the first place - but when is it OK to just tell a group of people who fought on our behalf that, "oh, by the way, we're taking off and hanging you out to dry. If Turkey attacks, we're not going to help."

and, it sends a signal to other countries that the US will abandon its friends during a time of need.

And - once again Trump is seemingly doing what a 'strong-man' leader of another country (Turkey) wants.

----update - just now heard a state department spokesman on the radio claiming that the US is not abandoning the Kurds - that it's just a small tactical pull-back in troops. so maybe someone is walking back on Trump's statement?
In general, I am in favor of pulling troops out of these places, however, this is the concern. Hopefully this is being done the right way.
 

Costa Rican Gopher

Mind of a Scientist
Trumps forcing NATO & the EU, to take action instead of relying on the US to play world policeman.

The EU is going to get all these captured ISIS fighters pouring back into their countries if Trump hands them over to Turkey. Turkey sees ISIS as heroes, not prisoners. Turkey will likely grant them safe passage back to Europe where many of the came from. Bad for the EU.

The UN wants to treat Turkey as a stabilizing force for good? This is their baby. They can own Turkey's actions. Of course Turkey has already threatened to flood millions of people into the EU if they do not do what Turkey wants.

The Kurds have been our allies because we pay them & arm them. Not because of some ideological affinity towards Western culture or sense of honor. They would have the Syrian Army fighting with them against Turkey and quite possibly Russia as well. Anyone believe the UN would have the sack to back Turkey, the aggressor, vs Russia?

Turkey is a terrorist dictatorship run by a brutal thug in Ergogan. This puts the left in an awkward position as they've been supporting Erdogan, because he wants to knock Saudi Arabia off it's perch as the Sunni Alpha in the region. See the Jamal Khashoggi incident. See the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Dems are in an awkward position as this displays for all to see where they're at ideologically on foreign policy, elective wars & nation building. 10 years ago 'liberals' were against elective wars for oil against Brown people. Now 'liberals' no longer identity as Democrats, having been replaced by a 'NeoLib' majority that has aligned with the 'NeoCons' in celebrating elective wars, drone strikes, nation building & trust the CIA implicitly.

Likewise the GOP is in an ideological shift as well. The 'NeoCon' war monger hate Trump & now align themselves with the D's on all things foreign policy. The GOP majority now follow Trump, who is less inclined to foreign intervention & nation building. Sadly, a single CIA agent can now stop any withdrawal from Syria by claiming to be a whistle-blower, by simply claiming there's some sort of corrupt motive behind this foreign policy decision.
 

justthefacts

Active member
Wow! Really, Justin Amash is against Trump?? Alert the media that the former Republican who makes all of his money based on Chinese dealings has gone full #NeverTrump since the trade war with CHINA started. Old Justin's pocketbook got hurt. When the ribber met the road the votes of his constituency meant nothing and his pocketbook ruled.
The point is that the US isn't actually pulling all troops out of Syria. Just moving them away from the border so Turkey can invade and attack the Kurds.

The WH statement says nothing about moving troops out of Syria. It basically just says that the US will allow the Turkish invasion.

 
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KillerGopherFan

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I’m willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt on this move, but I also believe that it could end up with unintended consequences. Hopefully, Turkey will honor its commitment not to destroy the Kurds, and Trump has threatened to take it out on Turkey economically if they do. I do feel for the Kurds b/c they sacrificed many lives fighting ISIS, but it’s not like they haven’t benefited from the US at great costs to us either, primarily by defeating Saddam Hussein.

Honestly though, I think this is more about a campaign promise than strategic thinking, b/c Trump hasn’t had much to point at as far as reducing military presence in foreign conflicts. It may end up costing us more later if ISIS is reconstituted or greater turmoil drags us back into the region under more difficult circumstances.
 

bga1

Active member
I believe Trump thinks by holding the air space and the threat of crushing Turkey economically, it will deter them from attacking the Kurds.

We shall see.
Or they might attack the Kurds and face stiff resistance without air support. At any rate it seems it would make things tougher.
 

GoodasGold

Active member
I believe Trump thinks by holding the air space and the threat of crushing Turkey economically, it will deter them from attacking the Kurds.

We shall see.
Agree. The principal advisors on this strategy are Jared Kushner and Stephen Miller; so it’s a safe bet that the action is thoughtful and decisive.
 

Costa Rican Gopher

Mind of a Scientist
Agree. The principal advisors on this strategy are Jared Kushner and Stephen Miller; so it’s a safe bet that the action is thoughtful and decisive.
Unlike the brain power that have been advising us on our successes in Iraq & Afghanistan!

The truth is the American people voted for Trump in large part because they were sick of the same losing strategies in these situations. The million dollar question in who stands to gain by keeping us over there? That's who's objecting.
 

Costa Rican Gopher

Mind of a Scientist
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Not to worry, the UN is working in close cooperation with Turkey on this.

UN ready for close cooperation with Turkey on Syria operation:

"The United Nations is prepared for "very close" coordination with Turkey on a possible operation in Syria, the U.N. assistant secretary general said Monday."

"We would coordinate with Turkey very closely, we are ready for that, to make sure that there is good communication," Panos Moumtzis, who is also the regional humanitarian coordinator for the Syria crisis, told Anadolu Agency."


https://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-terror/2019/10/07/un-ready-for-close-cooperation-with-turkey-on-syria-op
 
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