Thoughts on the Johnson hire from afar

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I'm not sure another thread needs to be started by me, but ahh, what the hell, why not? I'm preface this up front-I don't have any insights into Johnson as a tactician, recruiter, former next door neighbor, etc.

1. I suggest reading EG#9's post, "Coyle's miscalculations as I see them". It's a good, well thought out overview of the risks and reasons to be concerned about this hire.

2. Different sport, but if you had told me that Jim Harbaugh, a coach who brought Stanford to relevance, who took the 49ers to the Super Bowl, would go to his alma mater, the all time winningest program in college football and would struggle as much as he has, I'd thought you crazy. If you look at the paltry coaching tree of Coach K, whose program at Duke over the last 35 years is in the conversation for the pinnacle of the sport, whose proteges have had numerous opportunities and undoubtedly great access to high school and AAU program, it boggles the mind.

Hiring a head coach is rarely a sure thing.

3. And at Minnesota, it's never a sure thing. That's not a fatalistic, woe-is me and my fandom point of view, it's just realistic. Over the course of the last 40 years, the program has won two Big Ten titles, one clean, one not. Since Clem the Gem was shuttled off in disgrace, we've went the hot off the NCAA tournament route (Monson), veteran, national championship winner route (Tubby) and young coach with the storied last name (Pitino). It's translated to mediocrity at best, disastrous at worst.

As wonderful as it was to entertain the idea of Eric Musselman or Brian Dutcher returning to their roots to rescue the program, it just wasn't going to happen. Might they have missed with Craig Smith or Niko Medved? Potentially yes, and for their sakes, I hope their careers continue to ascend. However, the leap from mid-major to major program is a tough leap--I posted in the Porter Moser thread earlier today to that effect, that the list of Big Ten failures making that jump is a much longer list than successes over the last 20+ years.

4. In one of the threads, the poster Fair pointed out the risk that Coyle's taking with this hire and really staking his reputation to it. I agree wholeheartedly--this was a ballsy move on his part and he certainly could have went a safer route by hiring Smith or Medved and we (the fanbase) would have for the most part, been content. This is a swing for the fences and you have to assume that Coyle sees something in Johnson that gives him great hope. He's staking his job on it, you'd have to think he could have made the money work for Smith or Medved or Gates. If this hire sinks, I don't know how you come back from the abyss.

5. Juwan Howard, Patrick Ewing, Fred Hoiberg, Penny Hardaway. In most cases, much more established programs with richer histories that have rolled the dice on bringing in former players with limited coaching experience (albeit, with much bigger names and games than Ben J.). You could also toss the names of Chris Mullin and Clyde Drexler into the conversation, for a less grandiose return on investment (to be generous). Again, this is a gamble, but not unlike gambles that have been taking place with other programs, and better programs than the "U".

6. Is it going to work? Who the hell knows. It will be interesting, no doubt and I'm excited to see where this goes. I do empathize with the season ticket holders, the people who scrape together their dollars year after year to go to Williams Arena, whether for one game or the whole package, who invest in the program, and who wonder if it's worth it. If I was in your shoes, I might be doing the same. If this gamble works, if the recruits follow and the wins follow, we've got a 41 year old head coach who calls Minnesota his home. It could be spectacular-it could spectacularly fail.

As always, I'll be a fan and dreaming for a glorious new era of Gopher basketball. What else am I going to do? :)
Go Coach Johnson!
 


Andy Katz put Johnson in the “minority hire “category....what a pity someone can’t be judged on the quality of the hire vs Skin color...we have digressed in America...sad
+1000. Some people are just hell-bent on "helping", when it couldn't be further from the case
 

Andy Katz put Johnson in the “minority hire “category....what a pity someone can’t be judged on the quality of the hire vs Skin color...we have digressed in America...sad
The media looks at everything based on color, in fact you are shamed if you don’t “see” someone’s color first. Anything that happens is instantly related to race and any other talk is ridiculed, so how you are surprised/disappointed when the hire is first viewed through a racial lens makes me wonder if you have been looking around for the last ~14 years? MLK would not be celebrated by today’s civil rights leaders/media, they hate the whole color blind content of character belief system.

Heck the local paper all they could talk about was they better hire based on race. Why wouldn’t other media view the hire that way?
 

Really nice write-up (and I appreciate the shoutout). As someone who also has ties to ISU, I hope the Hoiberg comparison holds true!
 


Andy Katz put Johnson in the “minority hire “category....what a pity someone can’t be judged on the quality of the hire vs Skin color...we have digressed in America...sad
Are you people just blind to how Universities have been operating? Race is a key hiring point for any modern woke organization, which basically means every University. You are blind to think it wasn't a factor in this hiring. It Might not be at the level of the FSU AD only looking at Black candidates before hiring at Taggart. But pretending that it doesn't exist is just denying reality.
 
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Andy Katz put Johnson in the “minority hire “category....what a pity someone can’t be judged on the quality of the hire vs Skin color...we have digressed in America...sad

Quality hire? We hired someone that no other university even asked for an interview. He was on no other programs radar. This hire is beyond desperation.
 


Hiring a head coach is rarely a sure thing.

3. And at Minnesota, it's never a sure thing. That's not a fatalistic, woe-is me and my fandom point of view, it's just realistic. Over the course of the last 40 years, the program has won two Big Ten titles, one clean, one not. Since Clem the Gem was shuttled off in disgrace, we've went the hot off the NCAA tournament route (Monson), veteran, national championship winner route (Tubby) and young coach with the storied last name (Pitino). It's translated to mediocrity at best, disastrous at worst.

4. In one of the threads, the poster Fair pointed out the risk that Coyle's taking with this hire and really staking his reputation to it. I agree wholeheartedly--this was a ballsy move on his part and he certainly could have went a safer route by hiring Smith or Medved and we (the fanbase) would have for the most part, been content. This is a swing for the fences and you have to assume that Coyle sees something in Johnson that gives him great hope. He's staking his job on it, you'd have to think he could have made the money work for Smith or Medved or Gates. If this hire sinks, I don't know how you come back from the abyss.

As always, I'll be a fan and dreaming for a glorious new era of Gopher basketball. What else am I going to do? :)
Go Coach Johnson!

Great post but you got one thing wrong. Coyle is not staking his job on this hire. If Ben Johnson doesn't work out Coyle will be around to hire the next BB coach. You said it yourself - "Hiring a head coach is rarely a sure thing. And at Minnesota it's never a sure thing."
 



I just looked up "reach" in the dictionary and saw a picture of Ben Johnson.
 



Great post but you got one thing wrong. Coyle is not staking his job on this hire. If Ben Johnson doesn't work out Coyle will be around to hire the next BB coach. You said it yourself - "Hiring a head coach is rarely a sure thing. And at Minnesota it's never a sure thing."
Well, Coyle's contract is through 2026, so I would think Johnson's success in the next four years (or lack thereof) could align with what the next step in his professional career will be--big extension with the "U", moving onward to another program for big bucks, or neither of those things.
 






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