Tanner "The Game Manager" Morgan

mjfelton15

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Passer Rating of 202.11 right now for the season. Only Hurts, Burrow and Tua were higher entering today.
Even if we haven’t played amazing teams, those stats are hard to attain. And he’s 8-2 as our starter, he’s been getting steadily better every single game. I’ll be surprised if he’s not in the NFL draft talks going into his senior year at this rate.


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dpodoll68

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Only because I like to be a contrarian... he needs to get better at the read option for the Gophers to have any chance against good teams this year. That play is such a core part of the Gopher's offense that not keeping it at the right times will kill us against better competition.
LOL. Is this a bit to get a rise out of people? If so, well played.
 

hello-world

Active member
LOL. Is this a bit to get a rise out of people? If so, well played.
A little bit, but there's some truth to it. Part of the reason our running game was so bad today was that Morgan wasn't making the right reads. Obviously, credit where due, but he could have been better there.

I also called him the best QB in Gopher history last week
My opinion on that hasn't changed.
 

dpodoll68

Elite Poster
A little bit, but there's some truth to it. Part of the reason our running game was so bad today was that Morgan wasn't making the right reads. Obviously, credit where due, but he could have been better there.

I also called him the best QB in Gopher history last week
My opinion on that hasn't changed.
No, I don't mean the part about being a contrarian and criticizing Morgan's reads. I meant the part about how the read option is such a "core part" of our offense and how Morgan needs to get better at running it. We've run a read option maybe 10 times combined in the 2-plus years Fleck's coaching staff has been here.
 

hello-world

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No, I don't mean the part about being a contrarian and criticizing Morgan's reads. I meant the part about how the read option is such a "core part" of our offense and how Morgan needs to get better at running it. We've run a read option maybe 10 times combined in the 2-plus years Fleck's coaching staff has been here.
Oh lol, zone read ha
 

RahSkiUMah

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Tanner managed the **** out of this game! This stat line doesn’t exist without improvements on the oline, which is the most exciting part to me.
 

Markous15

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A little bit, but there's some truth to it. Part of the reason our running game was so bad today was that Morgan wasn't making the right reads. Obviously, credit where due, but he could have been better there.

I also called him the best QB in Gopher history last week
My opinion on that hasn't changed.
Smith rushed for 115 yards with a 5.2 yard average. How is that bad?
 

mjfelton15

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Smith rushed for 115 yards with a 5.2 yard average. How is that bad?
Yeah, not sure how anyone can criticize the run game. When we pass successfully for 396 and 4 TD’s, how good does the run game really need to be?


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hello-world

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RPO.

Kill/Claeys teams ran the read option with Leidner, et al. This staff runs the run/pass option... with the run being the running back, not the QB....
Unfortunately, I don't have a recording of the end of today's game, so here are 11 zone reads from less than 10 minutes of highlights from this year:

1 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/JEciz_sHeCI?t=107
2 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/380IiOusBwA?t=14
3 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/380IiOusBwA?t=40
4 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/380IiOusBwA?t=73
5 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/mI4dQoNJlvg?t=2
6 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/mI4dQoNJlvg?t=21
7 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/mI4dQoNJlvg?t=63
8 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/mI4dQoNJlvg?t=75
9 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/m-DRwOTNWro?t=35
10 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/m-DRwOTNWro?t=76
11 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/m-DRwOTNWro?t=135

We run a ton of zone read, and at the end of the game today. Morgan should have held the ball on a few of them.
RPO plays and a zone running scheme are not mutually exclusive, zone reads can be used to setup the RPO and vice versa.

Zone reads are a huge part of the Gophers running game and Morgan was struggling with them today.

Where Tanner made poor reads toward the end of today's game:
3rd 0:50
4th 14:30
4th 3:59 (Linebacker crashed down)
4th 3:10 (This one was iffy)
4th 2:57 (Even did it twice here because they took a penalty)

Most of these could have gone for 4-5 yards. If Minnesota manages to get up on a Penn State or Wisconsin then there is no room to make the wrong read on those plays.
 
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matt

Let's get weird
Unfortunately, I don't have a recording of the end of today's game, so here are 11 zone reads from less than 10 minutes of highlights from this year:
It's not a zone read if your QB is coached to give it to the RB every time. Then it's just an inside zone. That is what I believe is happening. I think they want to save the QB "keeps" on the zone read for big downs - 3rd and short, red zone, 2 pt conversion, etc. It doesn't cost much to act like you're running a zone read, and it sets up the surprise QB keep out of a zone read in those important situations. If Morgan kept it 5 times a game he would be getting hit at least 5 more times a game and that is simply not affordable until Annexstad is back on the depth chart.
 

MNVCGUY

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It's not a zone read if your QB is coached to give it to the RB every time. Then it's just an inside zone. That is what I believe is happening. I think they want to save the QB "keeps" on the zone read for big downs - 3rd and short, red zone, 2 pt conversion, etc. It doesn't cost much to act like you're running a zone read, and it sets up the surprise QB keep out of a zone read in those important situations. If Morgan kept it 5 times a game he would be getting hit at least 5 more times a game and that is simply not affordable until Annexstad is back on the depth chart.
I agree with this take. Makes sense to try and limit the number of times Morgan gets hit in a game. Save the QB keep for a big situation down the line when the defense won't see it coming.
 

Vandy

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Unfortunately, I don't have a recording of the end of today's game, so here are 11 zone reads from less than 10 minutes of highlights from this year:

1 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/JEciz_sHeCI?t=107
2 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/380IiOusBwA?t=14
3 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/380IiOusBwA?t=40
4 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/380IiOusBwA?t=73
5 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/mI4dQoNJlvg?t=2
6 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/mI4dQoNJlvg?t=21
7 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/mI4dQoNJlvg?t=63
8 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/mI4dQoNJlvg?t=75
9 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/m-DRwOTNWro?t=35
10 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/m-DRwOTNWro?t=76
11 - Zone read: https://youtu.be/m-DRwOTNWro?t=135

We run a ton of zone read, and at the end of the game today. Morgan should have held the ball on a few of them.
RPO plays and a zone running scheme are not mutually exclusive, zone reads can be used to setup the RPO and vice versa.

Zone reads are a huge part of the Gophers running game and Morgan was struggling with them today.

Where Tanner made poor reads toward the end of today's game:
3rd 0:50
4th 14:30
4th 3:59 (Linebacker crashed down)
4th 3:10 (This one was iffy)
4th 2:57 (Even did it twice here because they took a penalty)

Most of these could have gone for 4-5 yards. If Minnesota manages to get up on a Penn State or Wisconsin then there is no room to make the wrong read on those plays.
Ok, ok... I didn't mean to make you go back to the tape, but point taken.
 

50PoundHead

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I'm way old and have been watching Gopher football since the 1960s and Morgan compares well to the best we've had at the QB position. Lots of different offensive schemes over that period, so direct comparisons are difficult. Morgan plays well within the system. The "game manager" tag goes back to guys like Bart Starr and is viewed as a left-handed compliment for a guy for whom many believe their success is largely contingent on the talent around him. As Morgan has shown at several junctures this year, he can make plays that require a little more than handing off or tossing a ball up for grabs and having an all-world receiver make a spectacular play. Fleck has done a good job of assembling weapons for the passing game, but Morgan is integral to making it all work.
 

MGGopher

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It's not a zone read if your QB is coached to give it to the RB every time. Then it's just an inside zone. That is what I believe is happening. I think they want to save the QB "keeps" on the zone read for big downs - 3rd and short, red zone, 2 pt conversion, etc. It doesn't cost much to act like you're running a zone read, and it sets up the surprise QB keep out of a zone read in those important situations. If Morgan kept it 5 times a game he would be getting hit at least 5 more times a game and that is simply not affordable until Annexstad is back on the depth chart.
Morgan is absolutely reading multiple inside zones per game. It was a lot more obvious yesterday than in the non-con that he was staring down the edge player and holding the mesh point much longer in order to read it. He might be told to limit his carries, but he's absolutely being asked to make reads. As hello-world pointed out, there's room for all 3 of these things in a college offense:

1) Zone read
2) RPO
3) Inside zone that looks like zone read but is really being called keep or give from the sideline
 

MNVCGUY

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I’ve never seen a QB stat line that good. Has anyone else? That high a percentage, with those yards, those TD’s, and no turnovers.

WOW!


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Mentioned in another thread that for me nothing had ever come close to 1998 Drew Brees against us - 31/36, 522 yards, 6 TD. Morgan's performance on Saturday is right up there with that one.

The best part of all this is that Morgan is only a redshirt sophomore and has just 10 games of starting experience under his belt. Should still be room for growth and improvement as he gets more and more game experience. He rarely forces the ball somewhere he shouldn't or tosses up the 50/50 balls.

Will be interesting to see what happens with Annexstad when he is fully recovered but as of right now it would take something pretty remarkable for anyone to unseat Morgan with the way he has played since taking over part way though last season.

If things continue on the same trajectory over the remainder of his career here we will most likely be talking about him as one of the greatest QBs ever for the Gophers.
 

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