STrib: Border battered: Wisconsin gets two U basketball recruits in 24 hours

Also have to remember that the sport has changed in many ways in the last 20 years. Once upon a time, a good player from MN might fall through the cracks.

today, any decent player is in a travelling AAU program and plays in events across the country. The internet can find a good kid anywhere and put them on the national stage. There is year-round coverage of basketball, recruiting, AAU and more on the internet. There are no secrets, no diamonds in the rough falling through the cracks. If there is a decent player in MN, then Duke, Kansas, North Carolina, etc all know about him (or her.)

In today's environment, would a Kevin McHale stay home if he was being recruited by every big-name coach in the country? Would a Mark Olberding have stayed home? no way to know.

But, the point is, basketball has changed and it's harder to keep the best kids at home because they have far more options than ever before. you can't count on kids giving the Gophers a 'home-town discount.'

if the Gophers want to keep the best in-state kids, they almost have to recruit them harder than the big-name teams, because the Gophers cannot offer them the big incentive: "come here and you can play for a National title and be on all the big TV games."

the Gophers cannot offer that. Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc can make that offer. That is a huge advantage for other schools.
 

theczar

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RJ must think losing kids to wisky is worse than losing kids to Iowa..as far as his momentum point goes we had momentum 2 years ago ..not much logic by James there . Funny thing for a so called great program wisky loses quite a bit of home kids.. and are pretty chronic underachievers in the post season.. Does not help in state recruiting when competing teams tell kids why go to the U when they are bleeding out in state talent. Looks like white kids from MN have a thing for Wisc hoops vs the U. You need kids who still have yearning to play for the home team in front of friends and family ..then you need to be a perennial type of NCAA tournament team...before the iukewarm instate kids will feel like bleeding maroon and gold
 

MnplsGopher

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Also have to remember that the sport has changed in many ways in the last 20 years. Once upon a time, a good player from MN might fall through the cracks.

today, any decent player is in a travelling AAU program and plays in events across the country. The internet can find a good kid anywhere and put them on the national stage. There is year-round coverage of basketball, recruiting, AAU and more on the internet. There are no secrets, no diamonds in the rough falling through the cracks. If there is a decent player in MN, then Duke, Kansas, North Carolina, etc all know about him (or her.)

In today's environment, would a Kevin McHale stay home if he was being recruited by every big-name coach in the country? Would a Mark Olberding have stayed home? no way to know.

But, the point is, basketball has changed and it's harder to keep the best kids at home because they have far more options than ever before. you can't count on kids giving the Gophers a 'home-town discount.'

if the Gophers want to keep the best in-state kids, they almost have to recruit them harder than the big-name teams, because the Gophers cannot offer them the big incentive: "come here and you can play for a National title and be on all the big TV games."

the Gophers cannot offer that. Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc can make that offer. That is a huge advantage for other schools.
Well, I might slightly modify this to: Duke, UNC, Kansas etc. all know about all the AAU players.

Where my knowledge quickly falls off is, how prolific is this AAU year-round club playing? Is it only the truly elite players, close to major urban areas, who are on these teams? Can a great player out in Bismarck, ND really jump on a Twin Cities AAU team? Maybe North Dakota has an AAU team of it's own.
 

MnplsGopher

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RJ must think losing kids to wisky is worse than losing kids to Iowa..as far as his momentum point goes we had momentum 2 years ago ..not much logic by James there . Funny thing for a so called great program wisky loses quite a bit of home kids.. and are pretty chronic underachievers in the post season.. Does not help in state recruiting when competing teams tell kids why go to the U when they are bleeding out in state talent. Looks like white kids from MN have a thing for Wisc hoops vs the U. You need kids who still have yearning to play for the home team in front of friends and family ..then you need to be a perennial type of NCAA tournament team...before the iukewarm instate kids will feel like bleeding maroon and gold
Are you implying there is a racial component, to it?
 

scools12

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If Pitino fails to land one in-state recruit for 2020 which is a real possibility. Has another 10th place or lower conference season finish this year how can he keep his job?

At some point its time to say it isn't worked and it hasn't worked out.
 
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salzie

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If Pitino fails to land one in-state recruit for 2020 which is a real possibility. Has another 10th place or lower conference season finish this year how can he keep his job?

At some point its time to say it isn't worked and it hasn't worked out.

Semi Agreed

MN Kid or not, if he finishes 10th in B1G, probably time to move on
 

Otis

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Dawson Garcia, if you are out there, you could end a lot of people's misery and this thread by committing to the Gophers this evening.

So, on the off chance you read this, please consider the favor you would be doing for us Minnesota die-hards.

You can always change your mind later.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold

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If Pitino fails to land one in-state recruit for 2020 which is a real possibility. Has another 10th place or lower conference season finish this year how can he keep his job?

At some point its time to say it isn't worked and it hasn't worked out.
My evaluation of whether or not i think t is time to move on will be informed by record, conference record, and post season results in both this year and full body of work. It will have nothing to do with how highly his recruits are rated, and will really have nothing to do with what states his recruits are from.
 

theczar

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Pitino is a a short leash as in 2 years. Not a very short as in one year... Earned it for last season plus the AD likes him.... If he strikes out this year and next with in state kids and fails to make the dance both seasons...he is a gone
 

bizzle22

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Pitino is a a short leash as in 2 years. Not a very short as in one year... Earned it for last season plus the AD likes him.... If he strikes out this year and next with in state kids and fails to make the dance both seasons...he is a gone
Coyle likes Pitino’s personality, but that’s different than thinking he’s the right guy for the job. That “extension” Coyle gave him last year was only a paper extension and actually made it cheaper to fire him
 

bga1

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I wonder how posters here would feel if we had filled the class by now with Carlson, Crowl and the Madsen brothers (assuming we would have had to over sign). Would people be happy or would they think we should have waited for Garcia, Walton and Mashburn or Berry?
 

Cayman

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My opinion is when you win for over 20 years, win several conference titles and conference tourney titles, go to three final 4's. Win more games in 20 years than anyone in your conference , you have no scandals as it relates to recruiting or compliance. My opinion, that is a great program. Everyone has their own idea of what great is. What is your definition ?
Shoebox?
 

MnplsGopher

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My evaluation of whether or not i think t is time to move on will be informed by record, conference record, and post season results in both this year and full body of work. It will have nothing to do with how highly his recruits are rated, and will really have nothing to do with what states his recruits are from.
If only life were that logically straightforward.

But we both know that’s not reality. Emotional trigger points are a thing, and losing in-state kids to places like Wisconsin touches raw nerves.

Not a reason by itself to fire Pitino, but it does factor into emotional decision making when Coyle has to make those decisions.
 

Cayman

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If only life were that logically straightforward.

But we both know that’s not reality. Emotional trigger points are a thing, and losing in-state kids to places like Wisconsin touches raw nerves.

Not a reason by itself to fire Pitino, but it does factor into emotional decision making when Coyle has to make those decisions.
I doubt Coyle is a "fan" in the same way that those of us on this board are. He probably follows bleedsmaroonandgold's reasoning of if the program gets good players and wins lots of games, then it doesn't really matter if a couple of kids who went to high school in Minnesota go to college at the University of Wisconsin. It should be, and probably is, an extremely minor factor if it's a factor at all. Hell Rob Jeter used to coach at Wisconsin. If he really hated Minnesota with all of his heart and soul, he probably wouldn't have taken the same job here. Likewise, I don't think Coyle hates Wisconsin in the same way that you and I do.
 

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