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This is worth a watch. It gives a pretty good synopsis of the current situation states are in when it comes to legalizing sports betting.

If given the opportunity I think Minnesota should legalize it. The NCAA and the NFL make really poor arguments about why they don't want it legalized, the integrity of the sport being compromised is always the issue they say. But this is nonsense. Currently there are billions being bet ILLEGALLY with no regulation. The situation as it exists today is the problem and actually makes it easier to cheat. The government has no way of keeping up with bets that aren't regulated. So if someone wants to pay players to throw games that they have bet on at underground sportsbooks, how is anyone going to find out about this? The bookie certainly isn't going to blow the whistle.

When you legalize it, every bet is kept track of. If someone cheats is it very noticeable because they are able to watch for unusual activity in action, similar to a pit boss watching a card counter. I believe it would really cut down on all of the point shaving scandals that are going on.
 

Then it may be time to stop having college sports. Will the college teams each get a percentage of the take that the bookies make? They should, because the evil bookies couldn't make book if the colleges didn't play the games. The colleges should get at least a 50% take on all these bets. AQnd, the colleges should be able to tax the winners on 50% of their winnings, because those people wouldn't have won if one of the college teams had not won.

Gambling will bring an end of college sports unless the NCAA starts getting a huge piece of the action...colleges will have to start rehabilitating all the players who take a cut of the action and throw the games and with betting on college games legal, there will be a lot of players who have serious financial problems when they become addicted to betting on college games.

Am I joking? Of course...sort of ...maybe...kind of. BUT, in the end betting on college sports is a moral outrage and it will bring a LOT of problems.

I am serious that the NCAA should get a large TAX on ALL transactions that involve NCAA teams and games. Why? Why the heck not?
 

Make it legal. Way too easy to make a bet right now and we should get better odds if they legalized :)
 

4starrecruit said:
Then it may be time to stop having college sports. Will the college teams each get a percentage of the take that the bookies make? They should, because the evil bookies couldn't make book if the colleges didn't play the games. The colleges should get at least a 50% take on all these bets. AQnd, the colleges should be able to tax the winners on 50% of their winnings, because those people wouldn't have won if one of the college teams had not won.

Gambling will bring an end of college sports unless the NCAA starts getting a huge piece of the action...colleges will have to start rehabilitating all the players who take a cut of the action and throw the games and with betting on college games legal, there will be a lot of players who have serious financial problems when they become addicted to betting on college games.

Am I joking? Of course...sort of ...maybe...kind of. BUT, in the end betting on college sports is a moral outrage and it will bring a LOT of problems.

I am serious that the NCAA should get a large TAX on ALL transactions that involve NCAA teams and games. Why? Why the heck not?
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Idiotic argument...more money is wagered on March Madness right now than any other sporting event and it seems to be working just fine. Legalizing that which is common and within a societal norm is always beneficial...now we need to legalize pot!
 

GopherinPhilly said:
Idiotic argument...more money is wagered on March Madness right now than any other sporting event and it seems to be working just fine. Legalizing that which is common and within a societal norm is always beneficial...now we need to legalize pot!
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Just wait until the storys start coming out about some of the refs and players who have done their thing to throw the tourney. I'll never forget Weber's little "goof up" by calling a time out when he didn't have one to call. Was that an "honest" mistake? Or was it just an "all-time-foolish-team qualifier? Or, could it have been something else? The pro refs have fessed up to some gambling stuff.

It is there and it is nasty. Kill college sports betting of all kinds. It is a cancer and it is UGLY.

Remember IF you bet on college sports, YOU are part of the potential problem.

Look at the horrible job that we do with "legalized" alcohol. How many people are killed or kill others in drunk driving accidents every year in this state...in this nation. It is NOT legal to drive drunk. It is NOT legal to drin under-aged. It is NOT legal to provide alcohol to under-aged persons. It is NOT legal to drink in a vehicle. There are so MANY circumstances that make this "legal" alcohol "Illegal."

You say "legalize pot? At what age would you make pot legal? 5...7...9...12????? 18? 21? How about "potting and driving?????" "Messed up is messed up whether it is stoned on pot or "commode hugging" drunk on alcohol of any kind. Killed is killed. Accidents are accidents. Boozing, potting, cracking, mething with meth, wasted on perscription drugs...it's a problem and a BIG problem.

With mood altering substances of ANY kind, even "legalizing" the $/it doesn't mean that people always use that $/it legally. And THAT is where the problem lies...
 


I don't see a problem in legalizing it there, why should Las Vegas be the only one to legally reap the rewards.
 

For a historian such as yourself 4 Star, you should reel in the hyperbole of this whole "chicken little, the sky is falling" surrounding gambling and the college sports; that time has come and went, with the gambling scandal that hit so many elite basketball teams back in the early '50s, most notably the '51 CCNY team that had captured both the NCAA and NIT titles and was rife with point shavers on the team. We see the occassional scandal show up every so often regarding gambling and NCAA sports (off the top of my head, Boston College in the late '70s/early '80s, Tulane basketball in the mid '80s, and Toledo right now), but by and large the negative impact a gambling scandal would have on an athlete's future pro aspirations has kept athletes away from this temptation. Today's modern athlete seems much more in tune with the dangers of gambling than those athletes from over a half-century ago.
http://www.amazon.com/Game-They-Pla...=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242415787&sr=1-3
 

With the advent of online wagering and the extreme ease of it, states may as well legalize it, regulate and make a little revenue off of it. Anyone who has the desire to make a wager can already do so very easily. All of which makes Minnesota's current attempts to make ISP's block gambling websites laughable. Not only is it a horrific free speech violation for the state government to start telling us what websites we may access, but it wouldn't work even if the courts allowed it.
 

4star, your rant is misguided at best. Any time the government attempts to ban something which a signifant % of the population does and which most of the remaining % doesn't have a problem with, it doesn't work. See Prohibition. The reality is that a signifcant minority of people (10-20% at least) gamble online (sports or otherwise), and the majority of the of the 80-90% who don't couldn't care less if other people are doing it.

If your concern is purely that players/coaches/refs will take to betting on the games they are involved in, you should be strongly advocating full legalizition. If it were legal, efforts to ban shady offshore sites who offer wagering might actually get support, and the legit sites/locations could recquire ID's and age verifications, etc. This would make it virtually impossible for anyone involved in the events to place a bet, for surely they would get busted. As it is right now, if any of these parties wish they can much more easily wager on thier event online or otherwise and probably not get caught.
 



Also, keep in mind that it is the house's best interest to keep things on the up-and-up.

The casinos are almost as big of a watchdog on this as the feds are. If they see a disproportionate amount of money coming in on one side, they're going to pull the line until they can figure out what's going on.

You can learn something by listening to Robert Walker on Thursday nights for the past few years.
 

Fantastic! It's about time this country found a way to encourage the irresponsible use of money.

America = Huge Ponzi Scheme
 

I have zero interest in gambling but states banning gambling while simultaneously running their own lotteries has always struck me as pretty hilarious.
 

You're close...

GopherRock said:
Also, keep in mind that it is the house's best interest to keep things on the up-and-up.

The casinos are almost as big of a watchdog on this as the feds are. If they see a disproportionate amount of money coming in on one side, they're going to pull the line until they can figure out what's going on.

You can learn something by listening to Robert Walker on Thursday nights for the past few years.
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"Almost as big of a watchdog as the feds"? The casinos are WAY WAY more proactive in monitoring the betting lines than the feds ever will be. They are on this like nobody's business.

The reason is, the mere appearance of impropriety with sports wagering would have a devastating effect on the casino's business. Nobody has more of an interest in keeping things on the up and up than Vegas.

Living here, I listen to a lot of sports talk radio and they have the guys from the books that set the lines on the radio all the time and it's fascinating. It's impossible to comprehend how much these guys have on the ball and how things are tracked and monitored. It's their livelihood.

Anybody that thinks the introduction of gambling in ANY state would be detrimental or open the door for games being fixed is completely dilusional. The ASU hoops and Toledo football fixing schemes weren't hatched in Vegas.

The fact is, where sports gambling is legal and where it isn't has little to no effect on the sports industry, it's just who is getting a piece of the pie. Legalizing it in certain states would only hurt the illegal book makers, period.
 



Ogee, your post is right on and I think this should be obvious to anyone that's been around sports betting or worked in the casino business. So who stands to lose from sports betting being legitimized? I would say the mafia. They still have a huge controling interest in sports betting both on the east coast and midwest.
 

JPIIGopher said:
Ogee, your post is right on and I think this should be obvious to anyone that's been around sports betting or worked in the casino business. So who stands to lose from sports betting being legitimized? I would say the mafia. They still have a huge controling interest in sports betting both on the east coast and midwest.
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Then perhaps it is time to shut down mid-western college sports to really HURT the mafia. ; 0 ) Kill the mafia in the midwest by taking away college sports. Oh, you can leave all the non-revenue sports...do you think they will start trying to make book on gymnastics and track and field and crew-racing and rowing? The mafia can have the entire slate of college sports on the East Coast. The East Coast is a lost cause already... After all, the greed and corruption on Wall Street and within the structures of the BIG BANK INDUSTRY are all "tarped up" and appear to have been taken over by types worse than the mofia any way out in NYC... **wink wink*** joke joke**wink wink** ; 0 )
 

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