Pitino = Mason

Agreed and despite the short comings displayed by Pitino at this point, he has also vast improvement from the last 3 years vs the first 3 years. If he has the same improvement during that time applied to the next 3 years, we should be a perennial top 6 conference team each year. That's with my maroon glasses on though.
 

bga1

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Agreed and despite the short comings displayed by Pitino at this point, he has also vast improvement from the last 3 years vs the first 3 years. If he has the same improvement during that time applied to the next 3 years, we should be a perennial top 6 conference team each year. That's with my maroon glasses on though.
Without the injuries that happened two years ago- that was easily Pitino's best squad. Had they gone 12-6 in the Big Ten with a healthy roster rather than the abysmal 4-14 with the decimated team- he would have a three year run going that would be 3 straight NCAAs, and a 32-24 Big Ten record - which would be historic here at Minny. That year hurt him bad in every way and as far as I can see- it was simply bad luck. BTW- it could be argued that Lynch had history and was a risk. I think that squad still does near 12-6 with a healthy Mason and Coffey. The whole team got remade over a few weeks time.

Without that we would be off to the races.
 

builtbadgers

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This is a great question! It seems every year at best the gophers are hoping to be on the bubble. We talk about the right coach can bring us to the promise land. I always hear about Jim Dutcher. 11 years coaching and 3 Big Ten winning years. Clem Haskins 119-120 in the Big Ten. Tubby Smith never had a winning record in the big ten. Dan Monson had 1 winning season in the Big Ten. So is Richard Pitino our guy? I don't know, but i know he is up to par basically with what we've seen the last 40+ years. You have to go all the way back to the early 70's with musselman to see any coach have any kind of consistency. Sure Clem has a final four and it seems every coach we've had has had that one great year, but nothing to say that they have put minnesota on the national map. So as Short Ornery Norwegian said, Is it the coaching or is it the program? Wisconsin was a dumpster fire pretty much until the year 2000 and they have had a pretty good run in the last 20 years. It obviously is possible...so whats the solution? Everyone's gonna say get so and so for a coach, but is that really going to be the answer? It hasn't changed in the last 40+ years. Now the good thing is we usually are on the bubble so its not a complete disaster, but it could be better obviously.
Awesome post. It would for sure be done with a great coach, they have won at places at least this tough and some even tougher. Getting that guy is as hard as the build it great. When programs lose a great coach they fall apart very quickly and very few follow a great coach with another. Getting a great coach is nearly always a once in a lifetime thing for a program. That is what makes a great coach so special, they are few. Same with anything, only a few are the best lawyers, only a few the best snipers, the best teachers, the best artists.
 

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Without the injuries that happened two years ago- that was easily Pitino's best squad. Had they gone 12-6 in the Big Ten with a healthy roster rather than the abysmal 4-14 with the decimated team- he would have a three year run going that would be 3 straight NCAAs, and a 32-24 Big Ten record - which would be historic here at Minny. That year hurt him bad in every way and as far as I can see- it was simply bad luck. BTW- it could be argued that Lynch had history and was a risk. I think that squad still does near 12-6 with a healthy Mason and Coffey. The whole team got remade over a few weeks time.

Without that we would be off to the races.
The majority of this is hope and assumption. At some point there is no more falling back on what actually happened and using it as an excuse.

That some point is fast approaching.


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builtbadgers

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Without the injuries that happened two years ago- that was easily Pitino's best squad. Had they gone 12-6 in the Big Ten with a healthy roster rather than the abysmal 4-14 with the decimated team- he would have a three year run going that would be 3 straight NCAAs, and a 32-24 Big Ten record - which would be historic here at Minny. That year hurt him bad in every way and as far as I can see- it was simply bad luck. BTW- it could be argued that Lynch had history and was a risk. I think that squad still does near 12-6 with a healthy Mason and Coffey. The whole team got remade over a few weeks time.

Without that we would be off to the races.
Every program can say if, should have, could have. Was not all that impressed with that team before the large setbacks. One player was a timebomb period. Further, simply assuming so many wins is a complete unknown. At the end of the day it will be measured by how much you actually win.
 

Gopherholefan

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Mason brought the football program from close to the bottom up to a respectable level. Pitino took over a team that had been to the NCAA’s 2 out the previous 4 and 3 out of the previous 6 seasons.
 

60's Guy

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The timing seems like a discussion more appropriate following the results of a poor season versus the excitement, anticipation and speculation of a promising upcoming season following a NCAA year in which we defeated Top 25 Louisville in the tournament?
 

Zeppelin Gopher

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Not even close. Mason had his limitations on recruiting and his teams never believed that they could beat the big boys. That Michigan game said it all. Pitino is still growing on recruiting and his teams typically play with confidence.
Huh? Mason's teams won in Columbus, Happy Valley, and Ann Arbor.

Not to defend his overall record, but that was a bizarre thing to say.
 

bleedsmaroonandgold

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The timing seems like a discussion more appropriate following the results of a poor season versus the excitement, anticipation and speculation of a promising upcoming season following a NCAA year in which we defeated Top 25 Louisville in the tournament?
We get most angry after our best seasons. At least Pitino didn't get fired, which is what happened the previous time we won a tournament game, or the last time our football team won 9 games
 

60's Guy

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We get most angry after our best seasons. At least Pitino didn't get fired, which is what happened the previous time we won a tournament game, or the last time our football team won 9 games
Too funny! Amazing! Oh wait, it really happened...:confused: I think you answered why I'm optimistic and happy about the upcoming season...Richard didn't get fired! Who'd have guessed? Be appreciative of the seemingly little things.
 
The timing seems like a discussion more appropriate following the results of a poor season versus the excitement, anticipation and speculation of a promising upcoming season following a NCAA year in which we defeated Top 25 Louisville in the tournament?
Wow. I think you see the upcoming season a lot differently than I do. I look at this roster and all I see are question marks. Now, a lot of those questions may be answered affirmatively during the non-conference schedule - but I at least have zero idea how this team is going to play or what they're going to look like - other than a few minutes of shaky video from the games in Italy.

It may turn into a promising season, but going into the year, I see far more questions than answers. Maybe that's just my personality coming through. But other than Gabe and Oturu, I don't see a lot of sure things on this roster. Yes, there are players with potential, but we haven't seem them play for the Gophers under Pitino yet.

At the very least, it will be a very interesting non-conference schedule.
 
Wow. I think you see the upcoming season a lot differently than I do. I look at this roster and all I see are question marks. Now, a lot of those questions may be answered affirmatively during the non-conference schedule - but I at least have zero idea how this team is going to play or what they're going to look like - other than a few minutes of shaky video from the games in Italy.

It may turn into a promising season, but going into the year, I see far more questions than answers. Maybe that's just my personality coming through. But other than Gabe and Oturu, I don't see a lot of sure things on this roster. Yes, there are players with potential, but we haven't seem them play for the Gophers under Pitino yet.

At the very least, it will be a very interesting non-conference schedule.
There is no doubt that there will be alot of question marks, but I find it funny how other than a few people on here, it seems nobody expects anything out of carr or willis even though Pitino raves about both of them.
 
There is no doubt that there will be alot of question marks, but I find it funny how other than a few people on here, it seems nobody expects anything out of carr or willis even though Pitino raves about both of them.
Yeah don't understand that at all, our starting lineup is more experienced and balanced then it's being given credit for. Demir may be a little weak defensively, but should be able to contribute as a smart player on the offensive end.
 

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